SF1900's rants against pitbulls

[BayGBM]

Looks like a lovely dog you have there. I want to believe it is nurture not nature that causes these attacks but you always have to be aware of what they are capable of and act accordingly.

Agreed. I am very mindful that if she were to aggressively bite someone the damage would be considerable.  That is one reason I wanted to raise her from a puppy.  Adopted dogs have a past that you know nothing about; you don't know what words, behaviors, or scenes might trigger aggression in them.  I nurtured her personality and she has never been exposed to aggressive behavior.  My cousin has a dog and they play well together... but never in an aggressive manner.  Even so, if she were to become aggressive or bite someone she would be history... and I have told her this.  Believe it or not, I have no doubt that she understands me when I speak to her.

[The Scott]

Agreed. I am very mindful that if she were to aggressively bite someone the damage would be considerable.  That is one reason I wanted to raise her from a puppy.  Adopted dogs have a past that you know nothing about; you don't know what words, behaviors, or scenes might trigger aggression in them.  I nurtured her personality and she has never been exposed to aggressive behavior.  My cousin has a dog and they play well together... but never in an aggressive manner.  Even so, if she were to become aggressive or bite someone she would be history... and I have told her this.  Believe it or not, I have no doubt that she understands me when I speak to her.

Well said.  Dogs are pretty smart!  Your pooch is a real beauty.  I used to have an English Bull Terrier.  Long gone because of attitude problems.  He was a rescue and ultimately had to be put down.  The most powerful dog I have ever been around. 

Built like a freakin' tank and incredibly powerful.   Had him for about two weeks during which we all tried to get him to acclimate but he was far too aggressive to risk having him around our family let alone friends or strangers.

[Coach is Back!]

Keep kids in school to protect them from Pitbulls

[Montague]

If your dog is darting between cars and attacking a 4 year old in a parking lot then it is not “a sweet dog.”  In all cases, the dog owner is responsible.  Why wasn’t the dog on a leash and under the control of the owner?  Anything with teeth can bite—including cats—but if your dog can do serious damage when it bites, you have a special obligation to make sure it is always under your control.  There can never be an exception to this.  I raised my pit since she was a puppy.  All the kids in my neighborhood watched her grow up and played with her during that time.  She knows all my neighbors and all the nearby dogs.  Even so, when she interacts with small children or small dogs she is on a short leash and under my complete control.  If she were to attack an innocent 4 year old I would have her put down without a second thought, and I would not be defending her as a sweet dog.

Excellent post, Bay!!

[BayGBM]

Well said.  Dogs are pretty smart!  Your pooch is a real beauty.  I used to have an English Bull Terrier.  Long gone because of attitude problems.  He was a rescue and ultimately had to be put down.  The most powerful dog I have ever been around. 

Built like a freakin' tank and incredibly powerful.   Had him for about two weeks during which we all tried to get him to acclimate but he was far too aggressive to risk having him around our family let alone friends or strangers.

I would never adopt a pit bull.  The risk is too great: you have no way of knowing what their history is and what will set them off.  Their personality is already set, but you have no way of knowing how it is likely to manifest.  My dog has played with my neighbor's kids (one is as young as two years old), but she is always on leash and subject to my control.  That family also has a dog and the kids have no sense of fear or anxiety about playing with or petting my dog (even if I do).

Obviously, I love dogs--especially mine, but I have no illusions about the damage they can do if they are aggressive.  And I hate when a dog mauls someone and the owner tries to defend it as "sweet."  It is no different from when some thug commits a horrible crime and his mother is telling the news media what a "good boy" he is.  There are a lot of bad parents out there... and a lot of bad dog owners.

[chaos]

I would never adopt a pit bull.  The risk is too great: you have no way of knowing what their history is and what will set them off.  Their personality is already set, but you have no way of knowing how it is likely to manifest.  My dog has played with my neighbor's kids (one is as young as two years old), but she is always on leash and subject to my control.  That family also has a dog and the kids have no sense of fear or anxiety about playing with or petting my dog (even if I do).

Obviously, I love dogs--especially mine, but I have no illusions about the damage they can do if they are aggressive.  And I hate when a dog mauls someone and the owner tries to defend it as "sweet."  It is no different from when some thug commits a horrible crime and his mother is telling the news media what a "good boy" he is.  There are a lot of bad parents out there... and a lot of bad dog owners.

Tell me you're not wearing socks with sandals please.

[SF1900]

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/5292393/pennsylvania-pit-bull-attack

(ALTOONA, Pa.) — Authorities say a pit bull has attacked and killed a 6-year-old boy in Pennsylvania.

The Blair County coroner says the child died of blunt-force trauma from the dog attack that occurred just before 6 p.m. Thursday in Lakemont.

Family friend Rick Vaughan, tells The Altoona Mirror the boy’s father heard the mother screaming and found the dog on top of the boy. The father pulled the dog away, but the child succumbed to his injuries.

Authorities say the dog that killed the boy is now dead, but they haven’t disclosed further details about its death. The family also asked police to take a second dog from the home for an undisclosed reason.

Family friend Rick Vaughan told the newspaper that the boy's father heard the mother screaming at about 6 p.m. and found the dog on top of the boy. The father pulled the dog away, but the child succumbed to his injuries,

The boy’s name has not been released.

[Agnostic007]

But pit bulls are only as mean as how they are raised. Otherwise they are loving caring blah blah blah blah.

[SF1900]

But pit bulls are only as mean as how they are raised. Otherwise they are loving caring blah blah blah blah.

Yup. It smashes the narrative that the only bad pitbulls are raised by bad families.

This pitbull was supposedly raised by a good family.

[falco]

Poor boy. Horrible.

[Zillotch]

by the numbers (randomly pulled off the net with no research whatsoever, lol):

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/apa.14218

Aim

To compare characteristics of gender, age, body part and breed in dog bites.

Methods

We reviewed 14 956 dog bites (4195 paediatric) reported to the Allegheny County Health Department, USA, between 2007 and 2015. Using predefined age groups, we performed linear regression to assess for subject age and bite frequency and used binary logistic regression to evaluate for differences in gender and body part. We used chi‐squared test with Bonferroni correction to evaluate for differences in reported breeds with age.

Results

There was a negative correlation (−0.80, r2 = 0.64) between age and bite frequency. Children 0–3 years had a higher odds ratio (OR) of bites to the face [21.12, 95% confidence interval (CI): 17.61–25.33] and a lower OR of bites to the upper (OR: 0.14, 95% CI: 0.12–0.18) and lower (OR: 0.19, 95% CI: 0.14–0.27) extremities. ‘Pit bulls’ accounted for 27.2% of dog bites and were more common in children 13–18 years (p < 0.01). Shih‐Tzu bites were more common in children three years of age and younger (p < 0.01).

Conclusion

Dog bites occur with higher frequency at younger ages, and head and neck injuries are more common in younger children. Pit bull bites are more common in adolescents and Shih‐Tzu bites more common in younger children.


Dog bites in a U.S. county: broken down by

Breed - Total no. bites - 0–3 years - Four to six years - Seven years to 12 years - 13–18 years - >18 years    No. county registrations (%)a


Pit Bull    1687 (27.2%)    66 (20.7%)    90 (6.0%)    207 (30.4%)    184 (36.7%)    1140 (26.4%)    886 (4.9%)
   
German Shepherd    647 (10.5%)    29 (9.1%)    33 (8.9%)    75 (11.0%)    46 (9.2%)    464 (10.7%)    930 (5.2%)
   
Labrador Retriever    448 (7.2%)    24 (0.8%)    30 (8.1%)    52 (7.6%)    30 (6.0%)    312 (7.2%)    1787 (10.0%)
   
Boxer    282 (4.6%)    14 (4.4%)    13 (3.5%)    29 (4.3%)    20 (4.0%)    206 (4.8%)    580 (3.3%)
   
Rottweiler    240 (3.9%)    9 (2.8%)    12 (3.2%)    20 (2.9%)    27 (5.3%)    172 (4.0%)    241 (1.4%)
   
Beagle    202 (3.3%)    17 (5.3%)    6 (1.6%)    24 (3.5%)    18 (3.6%)    137 (3.2%)    682 (3.8%)
   
Jack Russell    181 (2.9%)    8 (2.5%)    12 (3.2%)    20 (2.9%)    9 (1.8%)    132 (3.1%)    153 (0.86%)
   
Bulldog    177 (2.9%)    10 (3.1%)    13 (3.5%)    24 (3.5%)    12 (2.4%)    118 (2.7%)    395 (2.2%)
      
Chihuahua    160 (2.6%)    11 (3.4%)    13 (3.5%)    18 (2.6%)    6 (1.2%)    112 (2.6%)    778 (4.4%)
   
Husky    145 (2.3%)    7 (2.2%)    9 (2.4%)    6 (0.9%)    13 (2.6%)    110 (2.5%)    226 (1.3%)
   
Golden Retriever    140 (2.3%)    6 (1.9%)    9 (2.4%)    6 (2.8%)    14 (2.8%)    90 (2.1%)    1062 (6.0%)
   
Dachshund    137 (2.2%)    9 (2.8%)    7 (1.9%)    14 (2.1%)    9 (1.8%)    98 (2.3%)    504 (2.8%)
       
Mastiff    116 (1.9%)    5 (1.6%)    6 (1.6%)    14 (2.1%)    9 (1.8%)    82 (1.9%)    158 (0.90%)
   
Shih‐Tzu    115 (1.9%)    18 (5.6%)    12 (3.2%)    13 (1.9%)    8 (1.6%)    64 (1.5%)    756 (4.2%)
   
Poodle    79 (1.6%)    7 (2.2%)    0 (0%)    4 (0.6%)    14 (2.8%)    74 (1.7%)    371 (2.1%)
   
Cocker Spaniel    90 (1.5%)    7 (2.2%)    6 (1.6%)    7 (1.0%)    5 (1.0%)    65 (1.5%)    271 (1.5%)
      
Yorkshire Terrier    84 (1.4%)    1 (0.3%)    9 (2.4%)    10 (1.5%)    8 (1.6%)    56 (1.3%)    633 (3.6%)
      
Great Dane    79 (1.3%)    5 (1.6%)    8 (2.2%)    11 (1.6%)    0 (0%)    55 (1.2%)    96 (0.54%)

Australian Shepherd    70 (1.1%)    2 (0.6%)    6 (1.6%)    9 (1.3%)    3 (0.6%)    50 (1.2%)    177 (0.99%)
   
Doberman Pinscher    68 (1.1%)    5 (1.6%)    3 (0.8%)    10 (1.5%)    6 (1.2%)    44 (1.0%)    147 (0.82%)
   
Boston Terrier    67 (1.1%)    4 (1.3%)    9 (2.4%)    5 (0.7%)    7 (1.4%)    42 (1.0%)    200 (1.1%)
   
Border Collie    66 (1.1%)    5 (1.6%)    5 (1.4%)    6 (0.9%)    1 (0.2%)    49 (1.1%)    186 (1.0%)
   
Akita    64 (0.9%)    3 (0.9%)    7 (1.9%)    11 (1.6%)    4 (0.8%)    39 (0.9%)    31 (0.12%)
   
Collie    63 (1.0%)    1 (0.3%)    6 (1.6%)    7 (1.0%)    8 (1.6%)    41 (0.9%)    100 (0.56%)

[robcguns]

That must of been horrific.all pit bulls should be destroyed.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ban families

[SF1900]

I was raised and bred pits my whole life. First dog that bit me was shih tzu. Never been bit by another dog. I think part of the problem is young kids are rough with the dogs, and most of these dogs are raised by beta males.

You have to be the pack leader. Dont get a big dog if you are not going to train it properly and be domimant. Get a cat if you dont plan on training them.

But a shitzu will unlikely kill you.

A pitbull will tear your face off and eat your insides.

[Purge_WTF]

 Pit Bulls are naturally aggressive dogs and aren't very even-tempered.

[SF1900]

Obviously. Shih tzus are my favorite breed but pits are not bad you just cant be beta with them.

There is too much evidence to say they are not “bad” dogs.

[Dokey111]

Pit Bulls are naturally aggressive dogs and aren't very even-tempered.

and don't forget DUMB

[Bevo]

Obviously. Shih tzus are my favorite breed but pits are not bad you just cant be beta with them.

I just don’t understand why go through all that just to have a pit bull

Get a Yorkie, husky, shiba, golden retriever and save the hassle

Don’t have to be afraid of guests getting mauled or killed esp little kids

[Zillotch]

There is too much evidence to say they are not “bad” dogs.

badass, maybe... like a bear, or lion

[Bevo]

Pit Bulls are naturally aggressive dogs and aren't very even-tempered.

Ding ding ding

Combine that with trash owners and you get what you ge t

[nativeMUSCLE]

Buncha slack jawed f@ggot$ in this thread.

[Bevo]

Buncha slack jawed f@ggot$ in this thread.

Predator was such a great movie

[Agnostic007]

I was raised and bred pits my whole life. First dog that bit me was shih tzu. Never been bit by another dog. I think part of the problem is young kids are rough with the dogs, and most of these dogs are raised by beta males.

You have to be the pack leader. Dont get a big dog if you are not going to train it properly and be domimant. Get a cat if you dont plan on training them.

Could  be but there is more than one story where husband comes home, finds wife torn apart from their family pit bull. At some point, it starts to really feel the odds of being attacked by your pit bull (and be devastating or fatal ) are higher than other breeds so why risk it

[rocket]

The bigger question is whether the dog shows signs of aggression, prior to the incident.

I remember one of the people I used to live with getting a pitbull to dogsit on the weekend for someone.  It was a walking cloud of anger.  It was just tied up outside so I thought I better give it something to do.  So I took it to the park and I'm sitting down, with it being all happy and shit it just snapped and absolutely angrily bellowed at me, right in my face and this is when I'm being pretty careful around what seemed to be an extremely temperamental dog.  Like, no prompt.  I'm not pulling his tail or anything.  It was absolutely unhinged.  It could have easily taken a bite out of my face at that moment.

I know for absolute sure whoever owned that dog must have known that their dog was a dog attack waiting to happen.

[Matt]

ALTOONA, Pa.?

The first Unsolved Mysteries pre-Robert Stack special which aired on NBC featured a crook who escaped to Altoona:

http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/John_Burns