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Author Topic: The big bang gets challanged...oops might be a multiverse out there..  (Read 2824 times)
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« on: April 14, 2006, 09:56:58 AM »

There is more historical evidence of a Jesus existing and fullfilling prophecies that were written decades earlier in the old testiment more than there is evidence of any of Jesus' miracles being fabricated by authors, I mean c'mon, that is a stretch even for you Johnny.
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« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2006, 12:53:05 PM »

thats been around forever...oopsie..no god required to actually make it!

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/astronomy/bigbang_alternative_010413-1.html




There is sufficient evidence at present to justify the belief that the universe began to exist without being caused to do so.
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/quentin_smith/uncaused.html


k i'm outie for the day...i've already read the articles..but yrs ago...if chalanged..i'll re read em to anser..be patient
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« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2006, 01:10:12 PM »

I love how when science can't explain something they say "Ahh, it just happened".

Evolution just "happened", life just "happened", the universe just "happened to make itself", which is another example of sciences grand "theorys" contradicting it's own laws.

And science thinks that people who have faith are whacked up?

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« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2006, 06:42:51 PM »

The big bang was not the start of anything, it was likely a periodic event that will continue to transpire for eternity. 

Seems contraversial to some but if you look into the details of life all around you, it is all in a level of periodic motion, everything!  Why not on a grand scale?  It makes far more sense that this is the truth.  Oh, but did it just happen? no of course not, this whole thing is an exchange of energy, sooner or later complex systems are going to be formed.  Complex systems like the ones that pull off big bangs..

Using that type of idea, you can start to accept that maybe there was no such thing as a "start" or an "end".    Maybe you don't have to rely on creation to explain your existence here.

Not that it technically should at this point in time Maths doesn't deal with the concept of "nothing" too well atall.  There has always been something.  There was never a start. 

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« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2006, 12:37:14 AM »

That was put very well rocket.
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« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2006, 05:53:00 AM »

I love how when science can't explain something they say "Ahh, it just happened".

Evolution just "happened", life just "happened", the universe just "happened to make itself", which is another example of sciences grand "theorys" contradicting it's own laws.

And science thinks that people who have faith are whacked up?

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You don't know a damn thing about science. Science CAN explain how evolution occured. They actually do it VERY WELL and prove their explanations with evidence. I could explain evolution in short simple steps so as even a 5th grader could understand it.

1.Life appears via biogenesis from complex chemicals
2.Random mutations occur in the simple life
3.The environment naturally selects the mutations that are of benefit.
4.The benefitial mutations proliferate.
5.Soon the entire population has the benefitial mutations.
6.Process continues for billions of years.
7.After billions upon billions of naturally selected mutations you've got modern life and all of the modern species.

Get it? And the evidence supports this perfectly.

No one says the universe "just happened" to make itself. Actually it's alot more detailed than that and harder to explain than evolution is, But i'll explain it best I can in simple terms so you can understand it. The big bang is explained as follows.


1.Earliest point in the universe exists. This time is very speculative and not alot of information is known about this time. There was no mass and no "energy". There was no "space-time" as well. Nothing much existed.

2.Planck epoch which is 10^-43 seconds after the "earliest point". The four fundamental forces are combined into one single force. Little is known about this time as well.

3.Grand Unification Epoch 10^-33 seconds after the "earliest point". The universe starts it's "expanson" and begins to cool.

4.Cosmic inflation. The universe is flattened and begins to expand rapidly.

5.Early universe. Fundamental particles appear and the shape of the universe begins to change.

6.Nucleosynthesis. The universe is now cool and the first nuclei begin to appear forming from protons and neutrinos.

7.You don't get to see anymore unless you've read this far. If you've read this far you're interested enough in learning about the detailed explanations of the early universe and if so you can read it from wiki.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Big_Bang
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« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2006, 07:13:28 AM »

I love how when science can't explain something they say "Ahh, it just happened".

Evolution just "happened", life just "happened", the universe just "happened to make itself", which is another example of sciences grand "theorys" contradicting it's own laws.

And science thinks that people who have faith are whacked up?

 Roll Eyes

things in quantum mechanix dont just happen....they r a necessity for the underlying structure..

for example the same principles that say it "just happened" allow us to detect black holes...

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« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2006, 07:18:52 AM »

things in quantum mechanix dont just happen....they r a necessity for the underlying structure..

for example the same principles that say it "just happened" allow us to detect black holes...




The same principles that say it "just happened" allow us to treat and cure disease, Allow us to predict outcomes in physics experiments, Allow us to create advanced technology, Allow us to basically OPERATE the modern world.
Our entire MODERN WORLD is based on as he puts it the principle that says "it just happened"!

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« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2006, 07:23:12 AM »


The same principles that say it "just happened" allow us to treat and cure disease, Allow us to predict outcomes in physics experiments, Allow us to create advanced technology, Allow us to basically OPERATE the modern world.
Our entire MODERN WORLD is based on as he puts it the principle that says "it just happened"!

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aren't micro chips based on quantum uncertanity and penrose says even consciousness is a result of quanum uncertanity!

http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/penrose-hameroff/quantumcomputation.html
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