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« on: April 13, 2006, 02:23:24 PM »

Since there are a number of threads trying to disprove God, I though it would be nice for those who come across articles relating to God or creation, to have a place to post them. 



http://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/does-god-exist-c.htm

(A link provided from a "Big Bang" article)

Does God Exist - Things to Consider
Once you're ready to ask the question, "does God exist?" here are a few observations to consider as you begin your search for an objective answer:

Discoveries in astronomy have shown beyond a reasonable doubt that the universe did, in fact, have a beginning. There was a single moment of creation.

Advances in molecular biology have revealed vast amounts of information encoded in each and every living cell, and molecular biologists have discovered thousands upon thousands of exquisitely designed machines at the molecular level. Information requires intelligence and design requires a designer.

Biochemists and mathematicians have calculated the odds against life arising from non-life naturally via unintelligent processes. The odds are astronomical. In fact, scientists aren't even sure if life could have evolved naturally via unintelligent processes. If life did not arise by chance, how did it arise?

The universe is ordered by natural laws. Where did these laws come from and what purpose do they serve?

Philosophers agree that a transcendent Law Giver is the only plausible explanation for an objective moral standard. So, ask yourself if you believe in right and wrong and then ask yourself why. Who gave you your conscience? Why does it exist?

People of every race, creed, color, and culture, both men and women, young and old, wise and foolish, from the educated to the ignorant, claim to have personally experienced something of the supernatural. So what are we supposed to do with these prodigious accounts of divine healing, prophetic revelation, answered prayer, and other miraculous phenomena? Ignorance and imagination may have played a part to be sure, but is there something more?
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« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2006, 08:13:58 AM »

This is pretty long, but Toxic Avenger, I think you'll read it Smiley



http://www.geocities.com/worldview_3/mathproofcreat.html
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« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2006, 08:15:19 AM »

Yes..I've already refuted this in the other thread.
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« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2006, 08:18:43 AM »

This is pretty long, but Toxic Avenger, I think you'll read it Smiley



http://www.geocities.com/worldview_3/mathproofcreat.html



Ok, Now explain it in your own words in short and simple explanations and i'll refute it.
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« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2006, 09:47:12 AM »

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191779,00.html

It's sad all these people are getting together for a mere simple myth.....
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« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2006, 09:57:59 AM »

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191779,00.html

It's sad all these people are getting together for a mere simple myth.....

What are you arguing? THAT they get together therefor it isn't a myth?

The same reasoning would apply to the Hajj the muslims take to mecca. The hajj is a trip to mecca that every muslim if able is supposed to make atleast once in their life time. Each year MILLIONS of muslims travel to mecca.
By your reasoning Islam isn't a myth and is therefor legit because millions gather each year because of it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hajj

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« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2006, 10:42:59 AM »

Muslims believe that the name of Allah had existed before the time of Adam. It is the same God worshipped by Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad and other prophets of Islam.  They believe in the same God, they just don't believe Jesus was the Messiah, he was just a prophet.

The Hajj is a representation of getting closer to Allah, not retracing the footsteps of Jesus' crucifixion, the son of God who paid the price for sin that we might have eternal life, where he was in fact crucified.  There is enough historical documention in different cultures for someone with general reasoning abilities to come to the conclusion that there was a Jesus who was a Nazarene and who was crucified..  The debate comes to whether he was the true Messiah or not.  Either he was who he said, or he was a complete lunatic.  The debate is is He who he says he is?  And only faith can answer that debate, not logic.  The only way you will be convinced is if God choses to reveal himself to you, not some discussion over the internet.
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« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2006, 10:48:07 AM »

Muslims believe that the name of Allah had existed before the time of Adam. It is the same God worshipped by Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad and other prophets of Islam.  They believe in the same God, they just don't believe Jesus was the Messiah, he was just a prophet.


True...And?

The Hajj is a representation of getting closer to Allah, not retracing the footsteps of Jesus' crucifixion, the son of God who paid the price for sin that we might have eternal life, where he was in fact crucified.  There is enough historical documention in different cultures for someone with general reasoning abilities to come to the conclusion that there was a Jesus who was a Nazarene and who was crucified..  The debate comes to whether he was the true Messiah or not.  Either he was who he said, or he was a complete lunatic.  The debate is is He who he says he is?  And only faith can answer that debate, not logic.  The only way you will be convinced is if God choses to reveal himself to you, not some discussion over the internet.

There is sparse historical evidence supporting the existence of a Jesus. However let's ASSUME jesus existed...So what?

The MYTH part is where jesus's life was surrounded by miracles in the scripture stolen from earlier pagan myths. The authors of the gospels took what was written about jesus and then added all types of miracles that they stole from earlier pagan myths such as Horus.

So yes....All of those people gathered for a MYTH! Just like the Muslims gather for a MYTH!
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« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2006, 10:56:58 AM »

There is more historical evidence of a Jesus existing and fullfilling prophecies that were written decades earlier in the old testiment more than there is evidence of any of Jesus' miracles being fabricated by authors, I mean c'mon, that is a stretch even for you Johnny.
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« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2006, 06:15:27 AM »

There is more historical evidence of a Jesus existing and fullfilling prophecies that were written decades earlier in the old testiment more than there is evidence of any of Jesus' miracles being fabricated by authors, I mean c'mon, that is a stretch even for you Johnny.


I've been asking over and over for this supposed "Historical evidence" of Jesus fulfilling miracles and NO ONE has provided it to me as of yet.

Let us see this evidence you speak of. Evidence Jesus not only existed but actually performed miracles as described in the gospels.
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