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Re: Mega Millions at 970 Million
« Reply #50 on: October 20, 2018, 04:19:50 AM »
What right does a government have to this money?

It's state-sponsored theft.

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Re: Mega Millions at 970 Million
« Reply #51 on: October 20, 2018, 05:10:29 AM »
What right does a government have to this money?

It's state-sponsored theft.

Zero.

This is why you have to laugh when people argue about politics. You know it really doesn't do anything. When the government could swipe in and take prize winnings from a state-funded "game,"you know something is seriously screwed up. I guess a good way to fill politicians pockets with a few hundred million.

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Re: Mega Millions at 970 Million
« Reply #52 on: October 20, 2018, 05:17:02 AM »
Golf,lot's of golf.


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Re: Mega Millions at 970 Million
« Reply #53 on: October 20, 2018, 05:38:04 AM »
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Re: Mega Millions at 970 Million
« Reply #54 on: October 20, 2018, 05:40:50 AM »
For anyone interested in what their payments would theoretically be check here by state https://www.usamega.com/mega-millions-jackpot.asp

My state ( Massachusetts )

Massachusetts: 5% State Tax   - $1,666,667
- $28,280,000
Your average net per year: $23,666,666      Your net payout: $401,576,000
After 30 payments: $709,999,980
Annuity Payment Schedule


State:   
Massachusetts
Drawing Date:     Fri, Oct 19, 2018
Jackpot:   $1,000,000,000
Federal Tax:     24%
State Tax:   5.00%
Report:   Mega Millions annuity payout schedule (30 annual payments)

Year   Gross Payment   Federal Taxes   State Taxes   Net Payment
1   $15,051,435   $3,612,344   $752,572   $10,686,519
2   $15,804,007   $3,792,962   $790,200   $11,220,845
3   $16,594,207   $3,982,610   $829,710   $11,781,887
4   $17,423,918   $4,181,740   $871,196   $12,370,982
5   $18,295,113   $4,390,827   $914,756   $12,989,530
6   $19,209,869   $4,610,369   $960,493   $13,639,007
7   $20,170,363   $4,840,887   $1,008,518   $14,320,958
8   $21,178,881   $5,082,931   $1,058,944   $15,037,006
9   $22,237,825   $5,337,078   $1,111,891   $15,788,856
10   $23,349,716   $5,603,932   $1,167,486   $16,578,298
11   $24,517,202   $5,884,128   $1,225,860   $17,407,213
12   $25,743,062   $6,178,335   $1,287,153   $18,277,574
13   $27,030,215   $6,487,252   $1,351,511   $19,191,453
14   $28,381,726   $6,811,614   $1,419,086   $20,151,025
15   $29,800,812   $7,152,195   $1,490,041   $21,158,577
16   $31,290,853   $7,509,805   $1,564,543   $22,216,506
17   $32,855,395   $7,885,295   $1,642,770   $23,327,330
18   $34,498,165   $8,279,560   $1,724,908   $24,493,697
19   $36,223,073   $8,693,538   $1,811,154   $25,718,382
20   $38,034,227   $9,128,214   $1,901,711   $27,004,301
21   $39,935,938   $9,584,625   $1,996,797   $28,354,516
22   $41,932,735   $10,063,856   $2,096,637   $29,772,242
23   $44,029,372   $10,567,049   $2,201,469   $31,260,854
24   $46,230,840   $11,095,402   $2,311,542   $32,823,896
25   $48,542,382   $11,650,172   $2,427,119   $34,465,091
26   $50,969,502   $12,232,680   $2,548,475   $36,188,346
27   $53,517,977   $12,844,314   $2,675,899   $37,997,764
28   $56,193,875   $13,486,530   $2,809,694   $39,897,651
29   $59,003,569   $14,160,857   $2,950,178   $41,892,534
30   $61,953,748   $14,868,900   $3,097,687   $43,987,161
Total   $1,000,000,002   $240,000,000   $50,000,000   $710,000,001



What happens if you die?
You lose out on the rest of the money?
Or can you pass it to a family member?
I always wonder how it works if you chose 30 year plan..  ???
So many people go for the lump sum

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Re: Mega Millions at 970 Million
« Reply #55 on: October 20, 2018, 05:57:08 AM »
Here’s a snippet of advice from an article about the lottery curse...

So let's say you or someone you know wins the lottery. How can you avoid the curse of the lottery? It's easy. Just do nothing. Don't tell anyone. Not even your parents. Not even your best friend. Sit and wait and do not declare yourself the winner until you do a few things.

Hire an attorney immediately
Hire a lawyer from a large, national firm. Make sure you are assigned to a partner who has been with the firm for a long time. Don't use your local or regular attorney. Use someone who has ZERO ties to your life, your family, and your friends. Get an attorney that specializes in Trusts and Estates from one of the 50 biggest law firms in the U.S.

Take the lump sum
You can make much better decisions with the lump sum that will end up paying out more annually than the state's annuity will. If you take the annuity you won't have access to the majority of your cash and the annual rate of return will barely beat inflation. You can do much better investing it in a standard fund. In general, you should expect to get about half of the original jackpot if you elect a lump sum. After that, you should expect to pay around 33% to state and federal taxes. Jack Whittaker's jackpot was $315 million. He took the lump-sum cash up-front option, which knocked off $145 million (46% of the total) leaving him with $170 million. That was then subject to withholding for taxes of $56 million (33%) leaving him with $114 million.

Decide how much money you are going to give to family and friends
Generally, giving 20% or so of your after tax lump sum winnings to family and friends is being incredibly generous. Tell your lawyer this is what you want to do. 20% of $114 million is $22.8 million. That leaves you with $91.2 million. Do not ask your family what they want. Do not buy them a house. Do not give your family and friends cash. Tell your attorney to set up a series of trusts for your family that equal 20% of your after tax winnings. If you start to hand out cash out of generosity, that will come back to bite you in the butt. Setting up a trust or a managed fund for your family that is in the double digit millions is very generous.


 
Don't hire an investment manager
Investment managers charge fees, usually a percentage of assets. If they charge 1% (which is low) they have to beat the market by 1% every year just to break even with a general market index fund. You don't need the extra return or the extra risk. Go for the index fund instead if you must invest in stocks. This is a hard rule to follow. They will come recommended by friends and family. They will be your second cousin on your mother's side. Investment managers will sound smart. You do not need them.

Invest in long term U.S. Treasury Bonds
Use somewhere between 20% and 33% of your remaining $91.2 winnings to purchase a combination of longer term U.S. treasuries (5 or 10 year) This is your safety net. You will be protected from yourself. It will be tempting to become a big investor right away because "Even if I lose it all I still have $XX million left! Anyone could live on that comfortably for the rest of their life." That's not going to happen. Right now, you'll get around 3.5% on the 10 year U.S. treasury. With $18.2 million (20% of $91.2 mil after your generous family gift) invested in longer term U.S. treasury bonds you will get a return of $638,400 per year. If everything else blows up, you still have that, and you will be in the top 1% of income in the United States. Don't take the chance.

What to do with the rest
Now you have $72.9 million left. Be safe, put about half of this, or $36.4 million into an S&P 500 index fund that has low fees. Continue to resist the lure of investors. Don't. Remember that even if you lose every other dime, you have $638,400 per year you didn't have before that will keep coming in. You should return around 7.00% or so over the next 10 years. You should expect to touch not even a dime of this money for 10 or 15 or even 20 years. In 20 years $36.4 million could easily become $115 million.

What to do with the remaining $36.4 million in cash
You've provided for your family generously and you know you'll be getting $638,400 a year in salary because you made some wise, safe, investing choices. Go ahead and have fun with that remaining $36.4 million. Buy a house or three, a private jet, a super yacht. Become an angel investor and fund some startups – just not for anyone you know. Play the market with it. Enjoy it. But still do not give cash to friends and family and do not read mail from anyone you do not know. The sob stories will break your heart. Save yourself the anguish.


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Re: Mega Millions at 970 Million
« Reply #56 on: October 20, 2018, 05:58:34 AM »
Cash option is 548 million estimate

Uncle Sam takes $202 Million for doing nothing

That leaves 346 Million after taxes.

For those of you thinking this.. but not saying it.. that leaves $173 million after divorce...

How would you even begin to spend $346 million dollars? It boggles the mind.

For me, after hiring some financial consultants, attorneys, setting up Trusts etc.. I would make a list of about 20 good friends and family and gift them a million or so each depending on the relationship. I think I would put 50 million in an account for me to spend, and the rest, look for ways to make life better for others and prop up some charities I like. For toys, I would definitely build a collection of classic muscle cars.

You pay tax on lottery winnings in the States? WTF?
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Re: Mega Millions at 970 Million
« Reply #57 on: October 20, 2018, 06:07:01 AM »
You pay tax on lottery winnings in the States? WTF?
Yep federal taxes and most states also tack on an additional tax.

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Re: Mega Millions at 970 Million
« Reply #58 on: October 20, 2018, 06:10:31 AM »
Here’s a snippet of advice from an article about the lottery curse...

So let's say you or someone you know wins the lottery. How can you avoid the curse of the lottery? It's easy. Just do nothing. Don't tell anyone. Not even your parents. Not even your best friend. Sit and wait and do not declare yourself the winner until you do a few things.

Hire an attorney immediately
Hire a lawyer from a large, national firm. Make sure you are assigned to a partner who has been with the firm for a long time. Don't use your local or regular attorney. Use someone who has ZERO ties to your life, your family, and your friends. Get an attorney that specializes in Trusts and Estates from one of the 50 biggest law firms in the U.S.

Take the lump sum
You can make much better decisions with the lump sum that will end up paying out more annually than the state's annuity will. If you take the annuity you won't have access to the majority of your cash and the annual rate of return will barely beat inflation. You can do much better investing it in a standard fund. In general, you should expect to get about half of the original jackpot if you elect a lump sum. After that, you should expect to pay around 33% to state and federal taxes. Jack Whittaker's jackpot was $315 million. He took the lump-sum cash up-front option, which knocked off $145 million (46% of the total) leaving him with $170 million. That was then subject to withholding for taxes of $56 million (33%) leaving him with $114 million.

Decide how much money you are going to give to family and friends
Generally, giving 20% or so of your after tax lump sum winnings to family and friends is being incredibly generous. Tell your lawyer this is what you want to do. 20% of $114 million is $22.8 million. That leaves you with $91.2 million. Do not ask your family what they want. Do not buy them a house. Do not give your family and friends cash. Tell your attorney to set up a series of trusts for your family that equal 20% of your after tax winnings. If you start to hand out cash out of generosity, that will come back to bite you in the butt. Setting up a trust or a managed fund for your family that is in the double digit millions is very generous.


 
Don't hire an investment manager
Investment managers charge fees, usually a percentage of assets. If they charge 1% (which is low) they have to beat the market by 1% every year just to break even with a general market index fund. You don't need the extra return or the extra risk. Go for the index fund instead if you must invest in stocks. This is a hard rule to follow. They will come recommended by friends and family. They will be your second cousin on your mother's side. Investment managers will sound smart. You do not need them.

Invest in long term U.S. Treasury Bonds
Use somewhere between 20% and 33% of your remaining $91.2 winnings to purchase a combination of longer term U.S. treasuries (5 or 10 year) This is your safety net. You will be protected from yourself. It will be tempting to become a big investor right away because "Even if I lose it all I still have $XX million left! Anyone could live on that comfortably for the rest of their life." That's not going to happen. Right now, you'll get around 3.5% on the 10 year U.S. treasury. With $18.2 million (20% of $91.2 mil after your generous family gift) invested in longer term U.S. treasury bonds you will get a return of $638,400 per year. If everything else blows up, you still have that, and you will be in the top 1% of income in the United States. Don't take the chance.

What to do with the rest
Now you have $72.9 million left. Be safe, put about half of this, or $36.4 million into an S&P 500 index fund that has low fees. Continue to resist the lure of investors. Don't. Remember that even if you lose every other dime, you have $638,400 per year you didn't have before that will keep coming in. You should return around 7.00% or so over the next 10 years. You should expect to touch not even a dime of this money for 10 or 15 or even 20 years. In 20 years $36.4 million could easily become $115 million.

What to do with the remaining $36.4 million in cash
You've provided for your family generously and you know you'll be getting $638,400 a year in salary because you made some wise, safe, investing choices. Go ahead and have fun with that remaining $36.4 million. Buy a house or three, a private jet, a super yacht. Become an angel investor and fund some startups – just not for anyone you know. Play the market with it. Enjoy it. But still do not give cash to friends and family and do not read mail from anyone you do not know. The sob stories will break your heart. Save yourself the anguish.



Seems a little loose to me. I’ve read a better one. If you take the remaining $36 million and blow it on houses and yachts, how would you account for the taxes on those assets?

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Re: Mega Millions at 970 Million
« Reply #59 on: October 20, 2018, 06:35:48 AM »
 What’s with all this crap with hiring financial advisors and all the stuff? Why not just put the money in the bank and leave it there?  You can live off the interest and just have smart spending habits.
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Re: Mega Millions at 970 Million
« Reply #60 on: October 20, 2018, 07:17:48 AM »
What’s with all this crap with hiring financial advisors and all the stuff? Why not just put the money in the bank and leave it there?  You can live off the interest and just have smart spending habits.

Exactly , you have to make sure you keep paying taxes every year and you'll be fine .

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Re: Mega Millions at 970 Million
« Reply #61 on: October 20, 2018, 08:05:19 AM »
What’s with all this crap with hiring financial advisors and all the stuff? Why not just put the money in the bank and leave it there?  You can live off the interest and just have smart spending habits.
You don't even really need to have smart spending habits, just not really stupid ones.

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Re: Mega Millions at 970 Million
« Reply #62 on: October 20, 2018, 08:32:15 AM »
What’s with all this crap with hiring financial advisors and all the stuff? Why not just put the money in the bank and leave it there?  You can live off the interest and just have smart spending habits.

You're pretty much guaranteed 1.9-2.2% annually but remember a financial adviser will bullshit the winner into thinking he can get him/her 5-6% annually while fucking the money up to a ZERO balance in 10 yrs.  ::)

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Re: Mega Millions at 970 Million
« Reply #63 on: October 20, 2018, 08:35:42 AM »
Exactly , you have to make sure you keep paying taxes every year and you'll be fine .

Pretty much. If I won the 1.6 billion and was left with, say, 700 million, Id just put it in the bank and leave it there. Live off the interest and spend wisely. Id take care of my mom, dad and brother, significant other, and close friends. That's it. I have no interest in helping out family future generations--let them fend for themselves. Why invest it to make more money? It's not like you're going to run out of money if you spend it wisely.  ??? ???

Also, heres hoping the bank doesn't swindle you out of your money lol. But, I dont see how thats possible if you just put it into a checkings or savings.

I admit, I do not know much about all this stuff, but it just seems more wise to leave it in the bank and spend wisely.
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Re: Mega Millions at 970 Million
« Reply #64 on: October 20, 2018, 08:36:43 AM »
You don't even really need to have smart spending habits, just not really stupid ones.

Yes, like most people who win the lottery. I guess that is why they say to invest it, just in case you're stupid with your money. But I don't see myself blowing 700 million in my lifetime. You would have to have some REALLY bad spending habits.
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Re: Mega Millions at 970 Million
« Reply #65 on: October 20, 2018, 08:37:38 AM »
You're pretty much guaranteed 1.9-2.2% annually but remember a financial adviser will bullshit the winner into thinking he can get him/her 5-6% annually while fucking the money up to a ZERO balance in 10 yrs.  ::)

Ill stick with 1.9 to 2.2% annually, as that seems more like a safe bet.  :D :D
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Re: Mega Millions at 970 Million
« Reply #66 on: October 20, 2018, 08:59:46 AM »
Pretty much. If I won the 1.6 billion and was left with, say, 700 million, Id just put it in the bank and leave it there. Live off the interest and spend wisely. Id take care of my mom, dad and brother, significant other, and close friends. That's it. I have no interest in helping out family future generations--let them fend for themselves. Why invest it to make more money? It's not like you're going to run out of money if you spend it wisely.  ??? ???

Also, heres hoping the bank doesn't swindle you out of your money lol. But, I dont see how thats possible if you just put it into a checkings or savings.

I admit, I do not know much about all this stuff, but it just seems more wise to leave it in the bank and spend wisely.

Banks are only insured to $250,000 per account, that's a lot of accounts if you wanted to make sure the government has your back if the bank goes tits up.

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Re: Mega Millions at 970 Million
« Reply #67 on: October 20, 2018, 09:03:04 AM »
Banks are only insured to $250,000 per account, that's a lot of accounts if you wanted to make sure the government has your back if the bank goes tits up.

If the bank goes "tits up," what happens to your money? You just lose it?

Well, then I would have SHIT ton of bank accounts. I am sure the bank would accommodate many accounts to get the business.
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Re: Mega Millions at 970 Million
« Reply #68 on: October 20, 2018, 09:04:18 AM »
It would be a struggle not to let the money change you.  Probably impossible.  Just pray that it's a change for the better.

Think of all the people in your life that you know and love............now imagine how they would treat you if you had a billion fucking dollars.

Surreal.


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Re: Mega Millions at 970 Million
« Reply #69 on: October 20, 2018, 09:13:18 AM »
Ill stick with 1.9 to 2.2% annually, as that seems more like a safe bet.  :D :D
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Re: Mega Millions at 970 Million
« Reply #70 on: October 20, 2018, 09:16:26 AM »
Listen to Mark Cuban



He's only worth close to 4 billion dollars.

Obviously, getbiggers know better!  ;D ;D
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Re: Mega Millions at 970 Million
« Reply #71 on: October 20, 2018, 09:20:58 AM »
He's only worth close to 4 billion dollars.

Obviously, getbiggers know better!  ;D ;D
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Re: Mega Millions at 970 Million
« Reply #72 on: October 20, 2018, 09:47:01 AM »
Listen to Mark Cuban



He just said what I posted. What do you think banks, bonds, Amex, etc give you % wise yearly? Also, a significant portion can be insured.   Sit on that for 2-4 yrs and read up on your money vs. letting some moron play with your money right out the box.   

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Re: Mega Millions at 970 Million
« Reply #73 on: October 20, 2018, 10:09:58 AM »
You pay tax on lottery winnings in the States? WTF?

In The Netherlands you pay 29% tax on lottery winnings

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Re: Mega Millions at 970 Million
« Reply #74 on: October 20, 2018, 10:15:00 AM »
There Will be a bidding war from all the banks in the world trying to get you to deposit your winnings in to their bank..

If I would win it..
I would buy a house no more than million bucks..
A couple super cars / hyper cars 5%.. help out immediate family 25%

I would then create a trust from my only son / 20% of the total sum.
15% Into retirement fund in case I make it to old an age..
Spend the rest traveling and having fun.. 35%