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« on: October 26, 2018, 04:03:55 PM »

So I researched and it seems 200mg a week is upper standard dose.

But what are the acceptable doses? I feel that if he tries offerin under 100mg I will just turn it down.

What should I accept? Is 100 okay or must I demand 200mg?
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« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2018, 12:28:29 AM »

you're very hanged up on the dosage and are not approaching this as an actual therapy, instead getting stuck thinking like a gym rat, which leads me to believe that you dont actually need TRT you are just looking for a legal source. If thats not the case, I apologize, but I still emphasize your one track thinking.

There is no "right" dose for TRT, thats why you take multiple blood tests and work with your doctor about your symptoms and bloodwork. This is all stuff you should be talking and discussing with your DOCTOR, not drug abusing morons on the internet, myself included.
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« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2018, 03:34:28 AM »

This TRT business is all just people wanting to get swole.

Only a very small % of men actually need TRT.

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« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2018, 01:21:54 PM »

100mg/week test cyp here bloodwork test me in the 500 range Thursday mornings after Sunday night injection. But also defective pituitary empty sella syndrome. Took years to figure it out because my dumbass didn’t want to shell out $$$ for MRI.
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« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2018, 06:56:13 PM »

This TRT business is all just people wanting to get swole.

Only a very small % of men actually need TRT.



Hmm, I guess it would depend on your definition of “need”.

Femenists want us to have low T, that’s a fact! Biologically it makes sense for a mans test levels to drop as he gets older. But we aren’t cavemen anymore so if we are older and still want to having a working dick, feel better, and maintymuscle mass then why not? There are probably sides but there are numerous health benefits. For example Kaiser Permante did a study and the men on trt in the study had a 30% lower rates of cardiac events compared to participants not on test.
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« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2018, 07:01:04 PM »

you're very hanged up on the dosage and are not approaching this as an actual therapy, instead getting stuck thinking like a gym rat, which leads me to believe that you dont actually need TRT you are just looking for a legal source. If thats not the case, I apologize, but I still emphasize your one track thinking.

There is no "right" dose for TRT, thats why you take multiple blood tests and work with your doctor about your symptoms and bloodwork. This is all stuff you should be talking and discussing with your DOCTOR, not drug abusing morons on the internet, myself included.

You are half right.  Grin

While I am in my late 30s, I have zero interest in being big like a bodybuilder like I thought was cool in my 20s. However I wouldn’t mind some help in making sure my workouts are productive and assist with keeping muscle and getting leaner.

Overall I just want to feel better and enjoy the health benefits. I guess my concern with rose is that I don’t want them to give me a shitty little dose that barely is above I produce naturally. I actually want to feel better and get some health benefits.
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« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2018, 07:05:26 AM »

Hmm, I guess it would depend on your definition of “need”.

Femenists want us to have low T, that’s a fact! Biologically it makes sense for a mans test levels to drop as he gets older. But we aren’t cavemen anymore so if we are older and still want to having a working dick, feel better, and maintymuscle mass then why not? There are probably sides but there are numerous health benefits. For example Kaiser Permante did a study and the men on trt in the study had a 30% lower rates of cardiac events compared to participants not on test.

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« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2018, 07:08:53 AM »

So I researched and it seems 200mg a week is upper standard dose.

But what are the acceptable doses? I feel that if he tries offerin under 100mg I will just turn it down.

What should I accept? Is 100 okay or must I demand 200mg?

Normally in Europe the protocol is approx 125 mg per week.
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« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2018, 12:34:13 PM »

Hmm, I guess it would depend on your definition of “need”.

Femenists want us to have low T, that’s a fact! Biologically it makes sense for a mans test levels to drop as he gets older. But we aren’t cavemen anymore so if we are older and still want to having a working dick, feel better, and maintymuscle mass then why not? There are probably sides but there are numerous health benefits. For example Kaiser Permante did a study and the men on trt in the study had a 30% lower rates of cardiac events compared to participants not on test.

TRT is not for your dick.  In fact it makes your testes go dormant and stop producign T.  The opposite of what you want.

A limp dick is due to poor blood circulation.  For this problem the drug is Viagra or similar.
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« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2018, 06:45:48 AM »

TRT is not for your dick.  In fact it makes your testes go dormant and stop producign T.  The opposite of what you want.

A limp dick is due to poor blood circulation.  For this problem the drug is Viagra or similar.

This is misunderstood! Of course exogenous Test shuts you down but it makes you hornier if you had low levels before and test is the absolute best to do that. Viagra is a temporary fix and the more we can stay away from other medicines the better.

A limp dick can have many reasons. One is poor blood circulation but that indicates something is wrong with you physically. For normal functioning men with low natural test production TRT will make them hornier and feel better. Why snack on pills every time you are having sex when TRT is permanently in your body and will make you perform like in your 20's.
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« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2018, 08:19:54 AM »

Prescribed sustenon 250 in my country, for trt purposes, is one ampoul every 2 to 3 weeks.

Testex elmu prolongatum (250mg cypionate), for trt porpuses, is one ampoul, every 2 to 3 weeks.

Nebido (a gram of test undecanoate), is used in one shot every 10 to 14 weeks.

Testoviron Depot (250mg): every 2-3 weeks or, for "enough" trt levels, every 3-4 weeks. In some cases, one shot every 6 weeks, is enough to allow the patient to have a normal life.
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« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2018, 01:19:07 PM »

Prescribed sustenon 250 in my country, for trt purposes, is one ampoul every 2 to 3 weeks.

Testex elmu prolongatum (250mg cypionate), for trt porpuses, is one ampoul, every 2 to 3 weeks.

Nebido (a gram of test undecanoate), is used in one shot every 10 to 14 weeks.

Testoviron Depot (250mg): every 2-3 weeks or, for "enough" trt levels, every 3-4 weeks. In some cases, one shot every 6 weeks, is enough to allow the patient to have a normal life.


are any steroids or ephedrin/uppers legally available otc in portugal ?
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« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2018, 01:24:37 PM »

are any steroids or ephedrin/uppers legally available otc in portugal ?
Ephedrin no. I believe clenbuterol is unavailable also. Regarding hormones there is, with medical prescription, testoviron, nebido, proviron. Pregnyl is also unavailable. I believe dufine (clomid) is still available.
Testex is from spain, it has never been sold here.
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« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2018, 11:45:27 PM »

Fact: low testosterone is linked with increased cardiovascular events
TRT doses are absolutely safe on all organs
I worked at a common nationwide TRT clinic as an RN doing injections allllll day
They start everyone on 150mg per week and aim to get blood levels between 600-800, either upping/lowering the next dose

Small number of guys will take 0.5mg per week of adex
TRT is safe. But the key word here is “replacement”

Most guys would feel great after beginning treatment but then get caught up in their testing numbers on paper and would think they could tell a difference between for example 685 and 700 and would push to up the dose wanting to “get their moneys worth”

I treated a lot of weirdos at that clinic but the benefits and safety of TRT has been supported over and over and I saw many lives improved. Energy and sleep were the most reported benefits
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« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2018, 01:19:41 AM »

Fact: low testosterone is linked with increased cardiovascular events
TRT doses are absolutely safe on all organs
I worked at a common nationwide TRT clinic as an RN doing injections allllll day
They start everyone on 150mg per week and aim to get blood levels between 600-800, either upping/lowering the next dose

Small number of guys will take 0.5mg per week of adex
TRT is safe. But the key word here is “replacement”

Most guys would feel great after beginning treatment but then get caught up in their testing numbers on paper and would think they could tell a difference between for example 685 and 700 and would push to up the dose wanting to “get their moneys worth”

I treated a lot of weirdos at that clinic but the benefits and safety of TRT has been supported over and over and I saw many lives improved. Energy and sleep were the most reported benefits


Doesn't arimidex cause harmfull changes in bloob lipid levels or cholesterol?
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« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2018, 09:40:59 AM »

This is misunderstood! Of course exogenous Test shuts you down but it makes you hornier if you had low levels before and test is the absolute best to do that. Viagra is a temporary fix and the more we can stay away from other medicines the better.

A limp dick can have many reasons. One is poor blood circulation but that indicates something is wrong with you physically. For normal functioning men with low natural test production TRT will make them hornier and feel better. Why snack on pills every time you are having sex when TRT is permanently in your body and will make you perform like in your 20's.

what the guy you quoted said was correct.

If you have sexual desire but cannot get or maintain an erection - as most men with ED do - thats because the blood supply is poor and you should be REALLY REALLY CONCERNED because you've probably got a cardiac event in the near future. And its the elephant in the room - ED is very common in the steroid and TRT community, a cursory search of terms will dispel you of the illusion that everyone is rocking a piece of steel from using testosterone.

TRT wont fix that. Thats WHY those men take viagra or cialis. Those drugs dont do shit for sexual drive, nothing at all, it is a common myth. They work by increasing the blood supply to the penis vie PDE5 inhibition.
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« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2018, 02:34:20 PM »

Fact: low testosterone is linked with increased cardiovascular events
TRT doses are absolutely safe on all organs
I worked at a common nationwide TRT clinic as an RN doing injections allllll day
They start everyone on 150mg per week and aim to get blood levels between 600-800, either upping/lowering the next dose

Small number of guys will take 0.5mg per week of adex
TRT is safe. But the key word here is “replacement”

Most guys would feel great after beginning treatment but then get caught up in their testing numbers on paper and would think they could tell a difference between for example 685 and 700 and would push to up the dose wanting to “get their moneys worth”

I treated a lot of weirdos at that clinic but the benefits and safety of TRT has been supported over and over and I saw many lives improved. Energy and sleep were the most reported benefits


Good post. People don’t understand trt is good for you. What is bad for you is low test or Dallas Mccarver doses.
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« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2018, 10:13:38 PM »

what the guy you quoted said was correct.

If you have sexual desire but cannot get or maintain an erection - as most men with ED do - thats because the blood supply is poor and you should be REALLY REALLY CONCERNED because you've probably got a cardiac event in the near future. And its the elephant in the room - ED is very common in the steroid and TRT community, a cursory search of terms will dispel you of the illusion that everyone is rocking a piece of steel from using testosterone.

TRT wont fix that. Thats WHY those men take viagra or cialis. Those drugs dont do shit for sexual drive, nothing at all, it is a common myth. They work by increasing the blood supply to the penis vie PDE5 inhibition.

blood supply isn't the only cause, another one that guys miss is test to estrogen ratio. Once when I overdid the AI I had limp dick problems (with normal sex drive). I cut out the AI and dick returned to normal.
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« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2018, 06:27:41 AM »

Fact: low testosterone is linked with increased cardiovascular events
TRT doses are absolutely safe on all organs
I worked at a common nationwide TRT clinic as an RN doing injections allllll day
They start everyone on 150mg per week and aim to get blood levels between 600-800, either upping/lowering the next dose

Small number of guys will take 0.5mg per week of adex
TRT is safe. But the key word here is “replacement”

Most guys would feel great after beginning treatment but then get caught up in their testing numbers on paper and would think they could tell a difference between for example 685 and 700 and would push to up the dose wanting to “get their moneys worth”

I treated a lot of weirdos at that clinic but the benefits and safety of TRT has been supported over and over and I saw many lives improved. Energy and sleep were the most reported benefits


Have you ever think about Prostate Enlargement due to Trt?
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« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2018, 11:30:27 PM »

I never had patients report prostate issues. From the research I have done there is link to prostate enlargement but not prostate cancer with TRT. TRT is even safe for prostate cancer patients
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« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2018, 04:48:28 AM »

I never had patients report prostate issues. From the research I have done there is link to prostate enlargement but not prostate cancer with TRT. TRT is even safe for prostate cancer patients

Why the European medici are so against trt?
Money?
Lack of Knowledge?
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« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2018, 06:04:15 AM »

Why the European medici are so against trt?
Money?
Lack of Knowledge?

Lack of reliable studies. Assuming that low test levels is a normal occurrance with aging. Funny that old bitches can get estrogen trt.
Most endochrinologists here (Portugal), face male hormones like opening a pandora box.
If a doctor prescribe me testosterone (at 42yo), just because i have low levels, he risks losing his medical practice, if i get prostate issues or a heart attack.
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« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2018, 06:25:42 AM »

1 gram at least.
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« Reply #23 on: November 14, 2018, 03:31:34 AM »

Usually here (in Scandinavia) it's one sustanon every three weeks. Most docs won't even talk about trt here. I have a great doc and i told him i think i need one sustanon 250 every ten days (after many drawn bloods). That got me into 400-500 range then my doc wrote an "open rx" basically use at your own discretion now i take one sustanon 250 every eight days and i'm in the 700 range and finally feel good. *i have to say that i have other issues besides low t (from using roids at 20...) and T  is pretty much the only thing that helps me keep my other symptoms at bay. In any case sust is the only viable product option here. In general i'd say 150-200mg cyp per week is decent. (cyp or ena isn't legally available here and creams are shit).
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« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2018, 09:30:04 AM »

Lack of reliable studies. Assuming that low test levels is a normal occurrance with aging. Funny that old bitches can get estrogen trt.
Most endochrinologists here (Portugal), face male hormones like opening a pandora box.
If a doctor prescribe me testosterone (at 42yo), just because i have low levels, he risks losing his medical practice, if i get prostate issues or a heart attack.


That's ridiculous
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