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« Reply #75 on: July 02, 2019, 12:43:51 PM »

Iíve never read any of the religious fictional story books.
And I donít intend to either.

All these far off ancient wonders & miraculous things That happened long before
Cameras & videos - One or 2 happening now in this day & age would be very positive
Proof - Ahhh god/s all work in mysterious ways  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
Yes just like uri gellar does - when put to the test he could do Fuck all
Yet Millions Believed Him.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #76 on: July 02, 2019, 12:53:00 PM »

Iíve never read any of the religious fictional story books.
And I donít intend to either.


All these far off ancient wonders & miraculous things That happened long before
Cameras & videos - One or 2 happening now in this day & age would be very positive
Proof - Ahhh god/s all work in mysterious ways  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
Yes just like uri gellar does - when put to the test he could do Fuck all
Yet Millions Believed Him.  Roll Eyes

Now that is consistent with I'd expect from an atheist, and actually makes sense.  It's the Bible-quoting atheists who are a little odd. 
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« Reply #77 on: July 02, 2019, 12:58:15 PM »

Iíve never read any of the religious fictional story books.
And I donít intend to either.

All these far off ancient wonders & miraculous things That happened long before
Cameras & videos - One or 2 happening now in this day & age would be very positive
Proof - Ahhh god/s all work in mysterious ways  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
Yes just like uri gellar does - when put to the test he could do Fuck all
Yet Millions Believed Him.  Roll Eyes

James Randi exposed him back in 1973, and kept exposing him after that, but still gullible fools believed Geller... Imagine how many swindlers and charlatans like him through the ages.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3vGGf-ZIkc" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3vGGf-ZIkc</a>

7:21 "I don't feel strong".
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« Reply #78 on: July 02, 2019, 01:09:56 PM »

James Randi exposed him back in 1973, and kept exposing him after that, but still gullible fools believed Geller... Imagine how many swindlers and charlatans like him through the ages.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3vGGf-ZIkc" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3vGGf-ZIkc</a>

7:21 "I don't feel strong".

Exactly- It Hilarious watching that.
He didnít feel strong & cant just turn it on if not feeling it. !!!
Yet he always felt strong & could perform his tricks in front of
A paying audience he never felt pressured Then  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #79 on: July 03, 2019, 12:22:33 PM »

Fair enough.
Iíll take that as My answers cannot be Answered in a Reasonable/ Factual Manner Then
And That to Answer Them for me in a satisfactory manner Iíd Have to Suspend Reality
Etc and Be Left With Fairy Tales & God works in mysterious ways.

The problem I have with that type of Answer is That These Monstrous Acts are being done
By Men / Women of God in His Houses of Worship are Real & Factual And Proven
There is No Need to Suspend reality or for fairy tales - Itís Hard Horrible Fact.

Yet when trying to answer why this is allowed in the Name of God it cannot be done
In a Factual manner.

Sorry to Break it To You - There Is No God/s - Nada / Nothing No Heaven or Hell
We here for a brief while Then We Gone. End OF.

I do answer questions, my answers just aren't liked Smiley

Doesn't negate them in anyway though.

You are correct people on earth engage in sin on a daily basis.  Nonbelievers, believers, etc.....it's unfortunate, but God allows people to engage in sin or seek his will for righteous living.  Why is that God's fault if someone chooses to sin?  He doesn't force or approve of that behavior, but allows the potential for someone to engage in it.  That simple really.  Some people don't want anything to with God and want to live however they want.

Many people love pornography and illegal drugs.  God stands completely opposed to pornography and illegal drugs.  You want nothing to do with God and I don't know your stance on pornography or illegal drugs, but I suspect you'd like the option to indulge if you so choose to, correct?

God affords you that ability in this life to live however you want.  Certainly there may be consequences via human courts for some choices, but God doesn't stop you or make you do anything.   When you're provided with every potential choice your decision making to accept or reject God is the most pure, most honest it can be.  Take away choice and force people to behave in certain manner or limit the scope of their choosing and you introduce persuasion into the decision making that doesn't favor the one making the choice.  God gives you every ability to choose anything for you. 

I know you say God isn't real and all that, but I can easily say God is real...solves nothing.  I have sought God on his terms according to his word and know completely of his reality because I suspended the perspective of the world and chose to know God and I do.  He has revealed himself to me.

Why don't you do the same as a man searching for truth?
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« Reply #80 on: July 03, 2019, 12:24:34 PM »

Iíve never read any of the religious fictional story books.
And I donít intend to either.

All these far off ancient wonders & miraculous things That happened long before
Cameras & videos - One or 2 happening now in this day & age would be very positive
Proof - Ahhh god/s all work in mysterious ways  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
Yes just like uri gellar does - when put to the test he could do Fuck all
Yet Millions Believed Him.  Roll Eyes

So you self admit no study of the bible yet you know with certainty it's false?  I can't imagine that's how you live the rest of your life.

You have no personal experience of God and no direct knowledge of his word.  You have just a cursory understanding yet that's sufficient for you to dismiss it completely?

You have someone like myself sharing with you God's reality, willing to die for God's will and giving you every tool to know him personally and you reject that testimony and all other evidence without any further investigation.

That's odd to me considering most nonbelievers are professed men and women of science that follow evidence to a conclusion.
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« Reply #81 on: July 03, 2019, 02:19:12 PM »

Quote - Man of Steel
I do answer questions, my answers just aren't liked Smiley

Doesn't negate them in anyway though.

You are correct people on earth engage in sin on a daily basis.  Nonbelievers, believers, etc.....it's unfortunate, but God allows people to engage in sin or seek his will for righteous living.  Why is that God's fault if someone chooses to sin?  He doesn't force or approve of that behavior, but allows the potential for someone to engage in it.  That simple really.  Some people don't want anything to with God and want to live however they want.

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1, I keep hearing god/s are all Powerful & Omnipresent- Yet god/s do nothing to stop the abuse by priests / nuns etc on innocent children - No I donít want any thing to do With that sort of a god/s - All that power & present everywhere all the time & Watches Yet does FA to Help.

Many people love pornography and illegal drugs.  God stands completely opposed to pornography and illegal drugs.  You want nothing to do with God and I don't know your stance on pornography or illegal drugs, but I suspect you'd like the option to indulge if you so choose to, correct?

Reply.
2, And Exactly How do you Know what Drugs god/s Against ? Where you get that information from ?
Same For Pornography

God affords you that ability in this life to live however you want.  Certainly there may be consequences via human courts for some choices, but God doesn't stop you or make you do anything.   When you're provided with every potential choice your decision making to accept or reject God is the most pure, most honest it can be.  Take away choice and force people to behave in certain manner or limit the scope of their choosing and you introduce persuasion into the decision making that doesn't favor the one making the choice.  God gives you every ability to choose anything for you.  

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3,  No god/s doesnít Iíd like to have been a multi billionaire- Thatís No Happened.
And Heís given me the choice not to believe in god/s & I donít as I donít Believe in Fairyís at the end of my garden.

I know you say God isn't real and all that, but I can easily say God is real...solves nothing.  I have sought God on his terms according to his word and know completely of his reality because I suspended the perspective of the world and chose to know God and I do.  He has revealed himself to me.

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4,  Good For You - The Difference is I donít wish / think youíll go to A Hell as You Do Me as A Non Believer
Why would you Think / Believe That - I donít Think or Wish you Heaven or Hell - I just wish you Good Thoughts & Things.

Why don't you do the same as a man searching for truth?

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5,  Like Virtually Everyone else Iíve had some Bad & Hard Times where Iíve searched
For a god/s To Help & guide me & - Nothing / Zero

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« Reply #82 on: July 03, 2019, 02:34:03 PM »

So you self admit no study of the bible yet you know with certainty it's false?  I can't imagine that's how you live the rest of your life.

You have no personal experience of God and no direct knowledge of his word.  You have just a cursory understanding yet that's sufficient for you to dismiss it completely?

You have someone like myself sharing with you God's reality, willing to die for God's will and giving you every tool to know him personally and you reject that testimony and all other evidence without any further investigation.

That's odd to me considering most nonbelievers are professed men and women of science that follow evidence to a conclusion.

I havenít studied the Bible / Koran / or any other Religious Books / Word of god/s as Thereís
So many of them all with tales of wonderment/ Miracles Etc

If The Bible is Truth and everything in it Facts - The Same kind of Claims are Made for all the other
Religious Books - Thatís then Getting into the realms of Stupidity- All these events happened
Only Not One Happens Nowadays So It Can Be Recorded For All To See & Believe.
Only happened Millennia ago. Yeah Right.

No I havenít studied all the religious books - Have you studied them all ?
Iíve read enough & heard enough & certainly lived enough to make a Decision god/s Donít exist.

No I have no personal experience with any god - You say you Have ? How ?

Other than a Bible witch one/version as Thereís many different ones around
What other tools have you given me.?
 
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« Reply #83 on: July 04, 2019, 07:50:55 AM »

Just because someone can't prove something exists doesn't mean it doesn't

EX:

Before 1666 nobody knew light was made up of various colors/waves so using that logic before prisms were invented microwaves and ultraviolet light didn't exist?


What if humans simply haven't perfected their ability to see and feel God with 100% certainty yet and we are living in 1665 in terms of our ability to see various forms of energy that we previously thought could not possibly exist?
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« Reply #84 on: July 04, 2019, 07:57:05 AM »

Just because someone can't prove something exists doesn't mean it doesn't

EX:

Before 1666 nobody knew light was made up of various colors/waves so using that logic before prisms were invested microwaves and ultraviolet light didn't exist?


What if humans simply haven't perfected their ability to see and feel God with 100% certainty yet and we are living in 1665 in terms of our ability to see various forms of energy that we previously thought could not possibly exist?

Very good points.

Only some claim to have ďseen/ felt / Been in contactĒ with god/s on a ďspiritualĒ
Or personal level + Some claim god/ Jesus was on earth a couple of thousand years ago.

Maybe we do need some kind of ďprismĒ for the masses to see the or these god/s
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« Reply #85 on: July 04, 2019, 04:33:40 PM »

Just because someone can't prove something exists doesn't mean it doesn't

EX:

Before 1666 nobody knew light was made up of various colors/waves so using that logic before prisms were invented microwaves and ultraviolet light didn't exist?


What if humans simply haven't perfected their ability to see and feel God with 100% certainty yet and we are living in 1665 in terms of our ability to see various forms of energy that we previously thought could not possibly exist?

philosophically this could apply to a supernatural being. However I don't think it would apply to the biblical god
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« Reply #86 on: July 05, 2019, 11:15:09 AM »

Quote - Man of Steel
I do answer questions, my answers just aren't liked Smiley

Doesn't negate them in anyway though.

You are correct people on earth engage in sin on a daily basis.  Nonbelievers, believers, etc.....it's unfortunate, but God allows people to engage in sin or seek his will for righteous living.  Why is that God's fault if someone chooses to sin?  He doesn't force or approve of that behavior, but allows the potential for someone to engage in it.  That simple really.  Some people don't want anything to with God and want to live however they want.

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1, I keep hearing god/s are all Powerful & Omnipresent- Yet god/s do nothing to stop the abuse by priests / nuns etc on innocent children - No I donít want any thing to do With that sort of a god/s - All that power & present everywhere all the time & Watches Yet does FA to Help.

Many people love pornography and illegal drugs.  God stands completely opposed to pornography and illegal drugs.  You want nothing to do with God and I don't know your stance on pornography or illegal drugs, but I suspect you'd like the option to indulge if you so choose to, correct?

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2, And Exactly How do you Know what Drugs god/s Against ? Where you get that information from ?
Same For Pornography

God affords you that ability in this life to live however you want.  Certainly there may be consequences via human courts for some choices, but God doesn't stop you or make you do anything.   When you're provided with every potential choice your decision making to accept or reject God is the most pure, most honest it can be.  Take away choice and force people to behave in certain manner or limit the scope of their choosing and you introduce persuasion into the decision making that doesn't favor the one making the choice.  God gives you every ability to choose anything for you.  

Reply.
3,  No god/s doesnít Iíd like to have been a multi billionaire- Thatís No Happened.
And Heís given me the choice not to believe in god/s & I donít as I donít Believe in Fairyís at the end of my garden.

I know you say God isn't real and all that, but I can easily say God is real...solves nothing.  I have sought God on his terms according to his word and know completely of his reality because I suspended the perspective of the world and chose to know God and I do.  He has revealed himself to me.

Reply.
4,  Good For You - The Difference is I donít wish / think youíll go to A Hell as You Do Me as A Non Believer
Why would you Think / Believe That - I donít Think or Wish you Heaven or Hell - I just wish you Good Thoughts & Things.

Why don't you do the same as a man searching for truth?

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5,  Like Virtually Everyone else Iíve had some Bad & Hard Times where Iíve searched
For a god/s To Help & guide me & - Nothing / Zero



1.) First things first, Catholics aren't Christians....they are Roman Catholics and I realize how that may offend some RCs although that isn't my intention.  Christians that defied the RC church rose up in protest against what the RC church had evolved into.   My answer above about sin applies to all people including nuns and priests.  If nuns and priests hurt children/people they aren't believers in Christ....they are nominal believers that in reality stand opposed to him.   You're either aligned completely with Christ or you are not.  There is no gray area.  These folks can become genuine believers, but they have to repent and be made new.

2.) Within the book of Galatians Paul notes the sin of sorcery which is rooted in the koine greek term pharmakeia (english derivation is "pharmacy").  This isn't indicating that medicines in general are bad.  The context is about sorcery and witchcraft and avoiding making or partaking in elicit drugs (potions) for purposes of engaging in witchcraft, the occult or abusing drugs in general for non-medical purposes and allowing it consume a person creating addictions that oppose God's will for our lives.

3.)  You can still choose to be a billionaire...that choice is 100% in tact.  I should add that the prayer of a Christian to God is not like a person rubbing a magic lamp and a genie granting wishes.  In fact, scripture states that God doesn't recognize the prayers of the unrepentant sinner.  It also says in the book of James that "You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures."  I'm not suggesting you wouldn't do good things with a billion bucks, but thought I would note this regardless.

4.) I don't wish hell upon anyone.  If I wished for folks to exist eternally in hell I wouldn't ever post on these boards or share my faith.  That would be the most unloving thing I could do.  Now, hell is the absence of God.  Every pleasure we enjoy in this life emanates from the divine nature of God.  People don't understand that each breathe they take, each sip of coffee they enjoy, each moment of hope they feel, each lesson they learn, each instance of laughter they share with a friend, each good meal enjoyed is all attributed to the nature and character of God.  In this life we merely receive a taste of God's goodness, but sin has contaminated this world in evil and Jesus Christ is the solution...he's the cure for our plague of sin. When people go to their graves in opposition of God he honors that choice in eternity and sends those folks to exist in a place in which all of his attributes are removed....what is left is the realization of wrongdoing, an eternal reminder of choices made despite pleading by believers such as myself not to.  Hell is existence without God.  As C.S. Lewis so eloquently put in, "There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those to whom God says, in the end, 'Thy will be done.' "

5.) I'm sorry you've gone through hard times or that the church experience you've had has been poor.  There are a lot of nominal believers in the world that pervert the message of Christ and live  a life completely at odds with the righteousness they profess.  I can only encourage you not to give up on God or yourself for that matter.   You and every member of these boards are precious to God.  He desires that you seek his righteousness for your own.
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« Reply #87 on: July 05, 2019, 11:22:46 AM »

I havenít studied the Bible / Koran / or any other Religious Books / Word of god/s as Thereís
So many of them all with tales of wonderment/ Miracles Etc

If The Bible is Truth and everything in it Facts - The Same kind of Claims are Made for all the other
Religious Books - Thatís then Getting into the realms of Stupidity- All these events happened
Only Not One Happens Nowadays So It Can Be Recorded For All To See & Believe.
Only happened Millennia ago. Yeah Right.

No I havenít studied all the religious books - Have you studied them all ?
Iíve read enough & heard enough & certainly lived enough to make a Decision god/s Donít exist.

No I have no personal experience with any god - You say you Have ? How ?

Other than a Bible witch one/version as Thereís many different ones around
What other tools have you given me.?
 

Yes the same kinds of claims are made for every world religion.  Christianity is the only exception because of Jesus Christ, his resurrection, the Holy Spirit and that fact that Christianity is not a works-based faith.

Every other system of belief requires works in order to achieve "god points", yet you won't find folks within those faith systems that have 100% assurance that their eternity is secure....they exist in perpetual doubt performing work after work with no real understanding if what they are doing is enough.

Faith in Jesus Christ is absolute and certain and void of works....you can't earn salvation in Christ.

When it comes to biblical translations we're now stepping into the field of textual criticism which we can discuss if you want.

I think many confuse the terms transmission of information and translation of information.  Yes there are many different languages in which the original texts in hebrew and koine greek have been translated and despite some differences in wording the core message of the translation is consistent and in tact....Jesus Christ is our only way to be saved.

I can speak more about this if you'd like, but it's a different topic altogether.
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« Reply #88 on: July 19, 2019, 04:40:37 AM »

It's funny....I start posting a bit more and suddenly ALL board traffic stops.  

Oh well guess I'm done with these boards again.   Grin

Well.....bye.


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« Reply #89 on: July 19, 2019, 08:02:13 AM »

It's funny....I start posting a bit more and suddenly ALL board traffic stops.  

Oh well guess I'm done with these boards again.   Grin

Well.....bye.




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Iím in a rush so will look through your longer previous post and reply
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« Reply #90 on: July 19, 2019, 08:55:03 AM »

Yes the same kinds of claims are made for every world religion.  Christianity is the only exception because of Jesus Christ, his resurrection, the Holy Spirit and that fact that Christianity is not a works-based faith.

Every other system of belief requires works in order to achieve "god points", yet you won't find folks within those faith systems that have 100% assurance that their eternity is secure....they exist in perpetual doubt performing work after work with no real understanding if what they are doing is enough. You are simply arguing that your religions system is "better" without providing any evidence of it. I would argue a system that rewards good behavior and deeds beats one that simply hands it to you for saying your believe it

Faith in Jesus Christ is absolute and certain and void of works....you can't earn salvation in Christ. Except that James says faith without works is dead. So you do need good works

When it comes to biblical translations we're now stepping into the field of textual criticism which we can discuss if you want.

I think many confuse the terms transmission of information and translation of information.  Yes there are many different languages in which the original texts in hebrew and koine greek have been translated and despite some differences in wording the core message of the translation is consistent and in tact....Jesus Christ is our only way to be saved. Until you point out KJV says God created evil, or condoned slavery, or demanded that rape victims marry their rapists, and then Christians fall over themselves to say the translations are in error 

I can speak more about this if you'd like, but it's a different topic altogether.
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« Reply #91 on: July 20, 2019, 06:37:20 AM »



My second sentence of that post is all the proof any person on earth will ever need.

You're confusing being saved by grace through faith with demonstrations of Christ like behavior when believers are sanctified.  You interpret James with a cursory understanding.

Book of Amos argument on "God created evil" I've covered a dozen times.  In fact:

loco, the KJV of the bible is the atheist's playground.  As you indicated, modern translations clarify the dated language used without losing the context and meaning of scripture.  Modern translations better define the use of evil as calamity and disaster.  References to the creation of evil by God such as in the book of Amos is translated as calamity or destruction (as an example).  I've done this same dance with Agnostic before.

You know what?  I'm not gonna search out my post history for this nonsense.  I've covered your rape, slavery, works and created evil "go to" arguments more times than I have fingers and toes to count.

Dude don't spend eternity gnashing your teeth over the decisions you made in this life.  Man I don't want that for you but you heart is so hardened you refuse to accept definite, accurate, honest, loving corrections to your errored understanding of God and his word.  You love your arguments more than the truth of their error and you won't budge from that place of pride.  I believe you've bought the lie because you've repeated it so many times it's engrained now.

Sadly I can't do anything else for you or others in your predicament.  I can't soften hearts or change minds or draw people to Christ in salvation.  

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« Reply #92 on: July 20, 2019, 06:41:49 AM »

MOS as much as I may disagree & Question What you have to say
Iím very appreciative that you take the time to reply in a decent
Civil & honest Manner.
Iíd like to think you will stay & Post more often
We need all the decent posters to stay.

Iím in a rush so will look through your longer previous post and reply
Sometime over the weekend.

People get busy and I understand that.

Man respond when you free up.  Take care of you and yours first.

All good!

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« Reply #93 on: August 01, 2019, 06:18:54 AM »

Test post....yeah Agnostic I'm still able to post. 

You weren't viewing as a guest and attempted to post and it prevented you maybe?

I've done that before and then realized I wasn't logged in.
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« Reply #94 on: August 10, 2019, 01:05:09 PM »

Thanks Dos!
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« Reply #95 on: August 10, 2019, 10:19:24 PM »

Thread has been re opened I see
Why or what was the matter with it
I didnít get a reply from the PM I sent MOS.

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« Reply #96 on: August 12, 2019, 09:56:58 AM »

Thread has been re opened I see
Why or what was the matter with it
I didnít get a reply from the PM I sent MOS.



Probably just an accident
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« Reply #97 on: August 14, 2019, 06:41:43 PM »

Probably just an accident

Most likely.
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« Reply #98 on: August 16, 2019, 09:43:41 AM »

Thread has been re opened I see
Why or what was the matter with it
I didnít get a reply from the PM I sent MOS.



Sorry man I missed it.  agnostic is correct, just an accident.

Fortunately DE got it figured out.
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