What they don't tell you legit steroids

[pellius]

You really dont need anything other then testosterone and an optional oral.

These dudes on cocktails of esters and drugs are out of touch.

If you cant grow on 200-500mg test then your gear is bunk or you have no idea how to train and eat.

You don't think that it all depends on the level you're at? Do you think Brandon will grow on 500mg of Test?

[pellius]

Sounds like bullshit studies that will be debunked in the future just like the food pyramid.  I've known of dozens of really old men over 90 and had a grandfather who live to 104 years old and none of them even knew what TRT was let alone used it.  Just in bodybuilding alone we can name numerous 40 to 60 year old competitors who died from heart attacks.  Someone should have told Matarazzo how healthy he was by taking test.  Dearth and Piana should still be running around as pinnacles of health but where are they?

Just accept the fact that steroid using bodybuilders suffer from body dysmorphia just like an annorexic or bulemic girl.  All of this belief that a man "needs" TRT to survive is just delusion.  Steroids are just a crutch that you are terrified you can't live without.

To compare a pro bber with the average gym rat that juices is just not valid. There are so many variables that contribute to poor health and early death. Just carry so much mass is detrimental to your heart and kidneys.

As someone said, "There's use and there's abuse." That applies to everything.

If you are low in test it will lower your quality of life. If you go on TRT to bring your levels back into the normal range it will improve the quality of your life. No amount of proper training and diet is going to compensate for having the Test level of a 10-year-old boy.

[Bevo]

To compare a pro bber with the average gym rat that juices is just not valid. There are so many variables that contribute to poor health and early death. Just carry so much mass is detrimental to your heart and kidneys.

As someone said, "There's use and there's abuse." That applies to everything.

If you are low in test it will lower your quality of life. If you go on TRT to bring your levels back into the normal range it will improve the quality of your life. No amount of proper training and diet is going to compensate for having the Test level of a 10-year-old boy.

Yes, and by that definition pretty much every single pro bber competing is abusing the shit out of it

[pellius]

Yes, and by that definition pretty much every single pro bber competing is abusing the shit out of it

Correct.

[Rusty Trombone]

They fine mate sex drive decent would still fuck anything that walks If was single, I had same probs you describe no energy for life felt like was just existing, would burn out every few weeks in training ect borderline depressed till started on test

Thanks a lot Henda. Glad to hear that.

[Rusty Trombone]

You think raising testosterone will lower your sex drive? What do you think even gives you a sex drive?

Can you say clueless  

Read some.

[joswift]

You think raising testosterone will lower your sex drive? What do you think even gives you a sex drive?

Raising testosterone can also raise other things in your body that can reduce sex drive

Prolactin for example

[Rusty Trombone]

Raising testosterone can also raise other things in your body that can reduce sex drive

Prolactin for example

Correct.

Also.....The non-functioning testicles while on testosterone,can impact erection quality via reduced blood flow to the penis,or via the absence of some other substances that the testicles stop producing......

Happens to some people.

These are one of the possible explanations.

[a_pupil]

Once again...

 

romano has to be the biggest reverse fake natty in bodybuilding history.

[njflex]

You don't think that it all depends on the level you're at? Do you think Brandon will grow on 500mg of Test?

TRUE,,,he tried that im sure see him even 5 yrs ago he looked like a decent pro ,good shape,not killer size,,well he obviously went all in finally..

[tres_taco_combo]

if your diet is on point, i mean on point - a little goes a looong way

[Atlas pump]

You see many shredded twinks on cocktails of drugs that you would assume are natural but are ON. A novice lifter doesnt need anything more then test if he knows how to eat a surplus.


Your genetics determine the rest.  I dont believe going to war and lifting as hard you can is the answer to being big.

[Henda]

Thanks a lot Henda. Glad to hear that.

No problem mate hope it works well for you if you decide to try it out mate

[IroNat]

You see many shredded twinks on cocktails of drugs that you would assume are natural but are ON. A novice lifter doesnt need anything more then test if he knows how to eat a surplus.


Your genetics determine the rest. I dont believe going to war and lifting as hard you can is the answer to being big.

[pellius]

Raising testosterone can also raise other things in your body that can reduce sex drive

Prolactin for example

Why does sexual drive kick in during adolescence? Testosterone. It goes up without any prolactin side effects or any side effects for that matter. When you get older it starts to drop along with your sex drive. There is a reference range of around 450-650 that is considered normal. When you drop to around 200 and below so will your sex drive, ability to hold and put on muscle, start to add more fat. Some people are OK with that. If you raise it beyond normal levels for years and years you may have problems. The whole point is that there's a difference in raising your levels to attain the established normal reference range.

What I don't understand is why anybody cares if someone is on TRT. People on TRT don't care that people choose not to bring their levels back to normal. People make their own decisions based on pros and cons. Stallone, The Rock, Arnold, Van Damme wouldn't be where they are if it were not for PEDS. And these guys didn't limit themselves to TRT. 

[pellius]

Correct.

Also.....The non-functioning testicles while on testosterone,can impact erection quality via reduced blood flow to the penis,or via the absence of some other substances that the testicles stop producing......

Happens to some people.

These are one of the possible explanations.

An endocrinologist told me that your body can't distinguish between testosterone that comes from your own body or comes from a syringe.

[illuminati]

Why does sexual drive kick in during adolescence? Testosterone. It goes up without any prolactin side effects or any side effects for that matter. When you get older it starts to drop along with your sex drive. There is a reference range of around 450-650 that is considered normal. When you drop to around 200 and below so will your sex drive, ability to hold and put on muscle, start to add more fat. Some people are OK with that. If you raise it beyond normal levels for years and years you may have problems. The whole point is that there's a difference in raising your levels to attain the established normal reference range.

What I don't understand is why anybody cares if someone is on TRT. People on TRT don't care that people choose not to bring their levels back to normal. People make their own decisions based on pros and cons. Stallone, The Rock, Arnold, Van Damme wouldn't be where they are if it were not for PEDS. And these guys didn't limit themselves to TRT. 

Not sure what it is with these “Natural” Blokes
Either Jealousy or a drum to bang to make an excuse for their mediocrity.

Do they also not Smoke / Drink alcohol/ Not take Prescription meds / Drink Coffee/
Decline anaesthetic when at dentist or having an operation Becuase They Are Natural
And Won’t Cheat By Using Drugs - Or Do their objections & Sanctimonious Morals Go Out The Window.

[pellius]

Not sure what it is with these “Natural” Blokes
Either Jealousy or a drum to bang to make an excuse for their mediocrity.

Do they also not Smoke / Drink alcohol/ Not take Prescription meds / Drink Coffee/
Decline anaesthetic when at dentist or having an operation Becuase They Are Natural
And Won’t Cheat By Using Drugs - Or Do their objections & Sanctimonious Morals Go Out The Window.

I remember when I use to work at Vitamin Shoppe, a customer asked me if these products were natural. I smiled and kind of looked around the store, then said, "Well, virtually everything in here are pills, capsules, powder, and liquids." He just kind of looked at me and nodded. I then said, "Come to think of it, the ground that we are standing on, the walls, the clothes we are wearing, even the air we are breathing is not natural."

I never got this worship of nature. As if it is always inherently good. Most everything we do is to combat nature to enhance our survival, productivity, and comfort. We have create things not found in nature to protect us against the environment, feed ourselves, travel,
cure and prevent disease...

The human race has always been omnivores. We survived because of our ability to eat a wide variety of foods. There are no studies that show vegans or vegetarians live longer or have a higher quality of life than those that include meat in their diet. I do believe people who say that they feel better when they switched to vegan or vegetarian. Chance are it's because they just stopped eating a lot of junk food. I also believe people who say they feel great when they eat primarily just meat and protein as with the Keto diet. I also believe people who say they feel great when they follow a balanced diet.

There are a lot of other factors other than diet that are involved in health and quality of life.

[illuminati]

I remember when I use to work at Vitamin Shoppe, a customer asked me if these products were natural. I smiled and kind of looked around the store, then said, "Well, virtually everything in here are pills, capsules, powder, and liquids." He just kind of looked at me and nodded. I then said, "Come to think of it, the ground that we are standing on, the walls, the clothes we are wearing, even the air we are breathing is not natural."

I never got this worship of nature. As if it is always inherently good. Most everything we do is to combat nature to enhance our survival, productivity, and comfort. We have create things not found in nature to protect us against the environment, feed ourselves, travel,
cure and prevent disease...

The human race has always been omnivores. We survived because of our ability to eat a wide variety of foods. There are no studies that show vegans or vegetarians live longer or have a higher quality of life than those that include meat in their diet. I do believe people who say that they feel better when they switched to vegan or vegetarian. Chance are it's because they just stopped eating a lot of junk food. I also believe people who say they feel great when they eat primarily just meat and protein as with the Keto diet. I also believe people who say they feel great when they follow a balanced diet.

There are a lot of other factors other than diet that are involved in health and quality of life.

Yes - How Far do they extend This “I’m Natural” Sanctimonious Crap
Ohh I know only as Far As Steroids are Concerned 

Like you said - Like or Not they’re not living a natural Life.

[a_pupil]

Yes - How Far do they extend This “I’m Natural” Sanctimonious Crap
Ohh I know only as Far As Steroids are Concerned 

Like you said - Like or Not they’re not living a natural Life.

I remember as a kid people used to get asked, "do you take protein shakes" lmao

[illuminati]

I remember as a kid people used to get asked, "do you take protein shakes" lmao

Ha ha - That reminds me of A Friend ( Chinese lad ) His Friends Would always
Ask him “You Take Protien Shake ??” !!!