What they don't tell you legit steroids

[Coach is Back!]

Too much of anything can harm or kill you. It’s as simple as that

[wes]

Too much of anything can harm or kill you. It’s as simple as that

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[Coach is Back!]

Think about the drugs that doctors want you as you get older sometimes for no apparent reasons just for “precautionary measures” and this is just in therapeutic doses...statins come to mind. Ever been on a statin? After a few weeks it becomes almost debilitating, destroys your liver and if you attempt to train hard can cause rhabdo. Shit, even toe fungus meds are worse than any gear even at therapeutic doses. With that, you have to go in every month for a liver check...fuck

I’ll take my test and Deca over that all day long and I feel 10x better and come back with a cleaner blood panel

[Henda]

I self administered trt at age 30 after 15 years off and on prednisone and methotrexate and other meds then finally surgery left me feeling like shit so got tested and test was low. Take a bit more than trt dose usually 250mg to 300mg a week. Was a life changer and will take till I die, even if slightly shortens life is rather have less decent years than be miserable as fuck with low test symptoms.

[Humble Narcissist]

I doubt you’ll understand this but your comment is extremely illogical. Using your line of reasoning one could say “why lift weights - the gains go away if you stop”.

Yes, but it doesn't cost hundreds of bucks to keep lifting.

[Rusty Trombone]

I self administered trt at age 30 after 15 years off and on prednisone and methotrexate and other meds then finally surgery left me feeling like shit so got tested and test was low. Take a bit more than trt dose usually 250mg to 300mg a week. Was a life changer and will take till I die, even if slightly shortens life is rather have less decent years than be miserable as fuck with low test symptoms.

Are your boners ok on that dose?

I was thinking of starting the same regimen....
Only my boners and sex drive have always been good,I wouldn't want to risk that.

Other than that I would love to try test at that dose.... My life energy,recovery,physique,conn.tissues etc are shit....Confidence too. Would love to try to increase life quality.
Only  I'm too afraid of risking the sex life.

[oldtimer1]

Too much of anything can harm or kill you. It’s as simple as that

Even water. There are a number of people who run marathons who are told you should really hydrate. They drink so much water training and during the race they have a heart attack from the dilution of electrolytes mainly potassium.  Drink water but don't force it.

[Henda]

Are your boners ok on that dose?

I was thinking of starting the same regimen....
Only my boners and sex drive have always been good,I wouldn't want to risk that.

Other than that I would love to try test at that dose.... My life energy,recovery,physique,conn.tissues etc are shit....Confidence too. Would love to try to increase life quality.
Only  I'm too afraid of risking the sex life.

They fine mate sex drive decent would still fuck anything that walks If was single, I had same probs you describe no energy for life felt like was just existing, would burn out every few weeks in training ect borderline depressed till started on test

[irishdave]

Steroids make you a real man faghots

[hazbin]

Too much of anything can harm or kill you. It’s as simple as that

yup , use vs. abuse

[pellius]

Yes, but it doesn't cost hundreds of bucks to keep lifting.

If that will put a strain on your finances then you have bigger problems than worrying about you or others taking PEDS.

[pellius]

Are your boners ok on that dose?

I was thinking of starting the same regimen....
Only my boners and sex drive have always been good,I wouldn't want to risk that.

Other than that I would love to try test at that dose.... My life energy,recovery,physique,conn.tissues etc are shit....Confidence too. Would love to try to increase life quality.
Only  I'm too afraid of risking the sex life.

You think raising testosterone will lower your sex drive? What do you think even gives you a sex drive?

[Atlas pump]

Theres use and abuse.  I have to say starting trt has been one of the best "health" decisions I've made in my life. The quality of my life has dramatically improved.  Better recovery,  fuller/rounder muscles (specifically delts), more energy,  more agression in the gym, increased libido (I feel like a 22 year old), overall just more zest for life. This winter I added 100mg deca for 10 weeks and this summer I added 100mg of Anavar for 10 weeks, all prescribed all monitored by a doctor.  I feel amazing! Oh and 10mg edible marijuana before bed. This health/longevity cycle I will stay on for life. I'm not chasing a $5 trophy I'm chasing living my best possible life.

I've followed your posts since your blasting days.

You're an addict looking for reasons and excuses to stay on.  I went through the same phase of cruising, until finally coming off cold Turkey. The same justification of how I am just using and perfectly healthy, when your blood pressure, heart rate and so many other organs are affected by your long term use.

the sooner you let go and accept your natural muscle, the better. Right now you are living a lie, a secret lifestyle and are trying to convince yourself you need TRT as a young man.


A lite tidbit, PCT is all crap and non sense. You lower your dose and come off gradually. The body starts producing testosterone again. It gives me a good chuckle how people believe the body is shut down and you need post drug pills to aid your body in recovery.  Before you even come off your body is starting to return to a homeostasis as the ester runs out.

[tres_taco_combo]

Theres use and abuse.  I have to say starting trt has been one of the best "health" decisions I've made in my life. The quality of my life has dramatically improved.  Better recovery,  fuller/rounder muscles (specifically delts), more energy,  more agression in the gym, increased libido (I feel like a 22 year old), overall just more zest for life. This winter I added 100mg deca for 10 weeks and this summer I added 100mg of Anavar for 10 weeks, all prescribed all monitored by a doctor.  I feel amazing! Oh and 10mg edible marijuana before bed. This health/longevity cycle I will stay on for life. I'm not chasing a $5 trophy I'm chasing living my best possible life.

100mg anavar a week so 14 mg per day?

[dave19]

Yes, but it doesn't cost hundreds of bucks to keep lifting.

Moderate use of AAS is cheap.... a bottle of test (~3000mg in it) is about 25 $ ... would last for 10 weeks at 300mg / week.


A gym membership is probably more expensive

[Humble Narcissist]

Moderate use of AAS is cheap.... a bottle of test (~3000mg in it) is about 25 $ ... would last for 10 weeks at 300mg / week.


A gym membership is probably more expensive

I don't work out at a gym either.  If you get busted with illegal substances you are looking at expensive attorney bills.  Why do men think they need to take test and other chemicals to remain a man?  You guys act like after 35 you completely disintegrate if you aren't taking test or gh.  I am 47 and my sex drive is as strong as ever and my workouts as well.  Is a 75 year old man supposed to have as much test as he had at 20?  Is that even healthy?

[IroNat]

I don't work out at a gym either.  If you get busted with illegal substances you are looking at expensive attorney bills.  Why do men think they need to take test and other chemicals to remain a man?  You guys act like after 35 you completely disintegrate if you aren't taking test or gh.  I am 47 and my sex drive is as strong as ever and my workouts as well.  Is a 75 year old man supposed to have as much test as he had at 20?  Is that even healthy?

Once you hit 35 it's over.

Without TRT you feminize and turn into a far left liberal wearing a pussy hat.

[wes]

You think raising testosterone will lower your sex drive? What do you think even gives you a sex drive?

Can you say clueless 

[Humble Narcissist]

Once you hit 35 it's over.

Without TRT you feminize and turn into a far left liberal wearing a pussy hat.

That guy should have his head bashed in.

[ESFitness]

When you take steroids to bodybuild  you realize quickly how effective they are. They can transform a physique really quickly.  Those that dispute this are buying crap on the black market from the trunk of a pusher's car. Legit steroids work amazing.  I defy any gym rat that never used to try one real Anadrol 50 a day and not see a drastic difference in four weeks. Making a point. No I'm not advocating taking drugs.

Having said this we have to talk about the mental aspects of using.  When on you feel confident and aggressive. It has an anti depressant effect and your sense of well being will be apparent. Every drug has both a positive and a negative. The negative is that when you go off you will start to feel meek, nervous and maybe even depressed. Guys know this is coming and try to counter it with low dose steroids. Some even use stuff like clomid and HCG.  The negative problems are further compounded by your own testosterone being shut down. The flood of exogenous hormones causes the pituitary to shut down LH hormone. LH hormone is the hormone that signals your balls to make testosterone. Another problem is that your body can increase estrogen though aromatase.

We all know bodybuilding is a sport based on drug use. Users like to rationalize their own use away by saying all sports use. That's not true but it makes their ego feel better.  The health problems alone should make a rational man pause and say, " Is this really worth it? Is the risk to health for temporary muscles a fair trade?"  We all know guys that go from a zero to a hero through the syringe in 5 weeks then in the same year look like crap.  

Three major problems with steroids is the increased risk of cardio vascular disease, prostate enlargement and damage to tendons due to rapidly increased strength.  One study on testosterone hormone replacement found an increase risk of hearth attacks and strokes. Preliminary scientific speculation was that it was changing the viscosity of the blood making it thicker. Steroids can also increase blood pressure. After that study came out I speculate there were studies disputing it no doubt paid for by the testosterone replacement pharmaceutical companies.  Getting back to prostate enlargement prior to the making of the first anabolic steroid dianabol the Russian Olympic lifters were injecting straight testosterone in doses so high some had to use catheters to pee.   Dianabol was created to get the anabolic effects of testosterone while minimizing the androgen effects.

The reason why I am writing this is put some sense into some of you young guys. Spending 2K on drugs to place 3rd in some two bit contest that will give you a piece of crap on your shelf is foolish. Taking steroids, anti estrogen, GH, insulin, speed, HCG, diuretics  and other stuff is insanity to walk around with temporary muscles to scream to the little boy in your brain that, see, I'm a man. Do what you want. I remember in my early 20's going to a doctor for a throat infection and he looked at me and said you have a lot of muscle. Then he said that's more food for the worms when you die. I was really pissed off that this pencil neck doctor who was a runner insulted me. Now with maturity I think I understand what he was trying to say. If health isn't a consideration then the illusion of health with muscles is a lie.

Train naturally. You won't be able to win 9th place in a Mr. Podunk contest but it will be real. You actually can be in shape year round with some peaks here and there. Maybe when you reach 55 you won't be pulling a wrinkled picture out of your wallet of yourself on stage in your hero days showing someone while they look at your pot belly fat body in front of them. Most of the guys I knew that competed in the early 1980's quit training.  One said that training without the assist is a waste of time. That is sad.  Most quit due to health, finances and even arrest.

 

"Injecting straight testosterone in doses sonhigh they had to use catheters to pee"

What kind of sensationalized bullshit is this? As if there's any such thing as straight testosterone LOL as if that's different from testosterone cypionate or suspension world what the fuck ever and there are plenty of guys who were on two or three or four or five or ten grams of testosterone a week who don't have to use a catheter every time they want to take a piss. What absolute fucking bullshit

[efanhowz]

LOW testosterone is linked to increased cardiovascular events FACT
TRT is safe
You can safely run high test with minimal impact on lipids
You cannot safely run high anti estrogens / aromatase inhibitors without a negative impact on lipids
Using one instance or example as a reference to prove a point is not reliable, maybe find a study!
Everything in moderation

We are all going to get old
The patients I see in my hospital with heart failure are obese, hypertensive, diabetic, don’t exercise
The average user only needs to Watch there bp and lipids

[tres_taco_combo]

why do we still talk about this topic on a bbing board ....

if you compete at a higher level - its part of the game/must
if you are older and you do TRT - do it responsible and enjoy your elder years (stop being fat - most are way to fat for TRT) and avoid the anti Es
love your natty body and train your ass off natty too
longer time off - when you go back on = feels amazing - chase that dragon  
if your diet sucks - stop wasting gear
avoid the harsh shit - its pointless for 99% of people
who cares if a fitness model user gear - they are paid to look good - fake natty comments are pointless
some respond better to PEDs than others -

[Humble Narcissist]

LOW testosterone is linked to increased cardiovascular events FACT
TRT is safe
You can safely run high test with minimal impact on lipids
You cannot safely run high anti estrogens / aromatase inhibitors without a negative impact on lipids
Using one instance or example as a reference to prove a point is not reliable, maybe find a study!
Everything in moderation

We are all going to get old
The patients I see in my hospital with heart failure are obese, hypertensive, diabetic, don’t exercise
The average user only needs to Watch there bp and lipids

Sounds like bullshit studies that will be debunked in the future just like the food pyramid.  I've known of dozens of really old men over 90 and had a grandfather who live to 104 years old and none of them even knew what TRT was let alone used it.  Just in bodybuilding alone we can name numerous 40 to 60 year old competitors who died from heart attacks.  Someone should have told Matarazzo how healthy he was by taking test.  Dearth and Piana should still be running around as pinnacles of health but where are they?

Just accept the fact that steroid using bodybuilders suffer from body dysmorphia just like an annorexic or bulemic girl.  All of this belief that a man "needs" TRT to survive is just delusion.  Steroids are just a crutch that you are terrified you can't live without.

[Atlas pump]

You really dont need anything other then testosterone and an optional oral.

These dudes on cocktails of esters and drugs are out of touch.

If you cant grow on 200-500mg test then your gear is bunk or you have no idea how to train and eat.

[tres_taco_combo]

Once you hit 35 it's over.

Without TRT you feminize and turn into a far left liberal wearing a pussy hat.

I love guys like this -

only makes me look much better when this is the other 35 year old male out there