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Re: Whistleblower Rules Were Changed RIGHT BEFORE the Ukraine Complaint
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2019, 11:14:17 AM »
Trump just keeps on owning them.....

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Re: Whistleblower Rules Were Changed RIGHT BEFORE the Ukraine Complaint
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2019, 11:14:52 AM »
Trump 2020 Baby

Black Republicans will win the election to our great American Leader.

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Re: Whistleblower Rules Were Changed RIGHT BEFORE the Ukraine Complaint
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2019, 11:22:43 AM »
Trump 2020 Baby

Black Republicans will win the election to our great American Leader.

It helps also when 4-insane "women" and mindless Joe Biden are the faces of the party.
Comical. I wouldn't be surprised if one of them got in, since its electoral college, anything can and does happen. But still, if it does happen, say "bye" to life as you once knew it.

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Re: Whistleblower Rules Were Changed RIGHT BEFORE the Ukraine Complaint
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2019, 11:51:17 AM »
It helps also when 4-insane "women" and mindless Joe Biden are the faces of the party.
Comical. I wouldn't be surprised if one of them got in, since its electoral college, anything can and does happen. But still, if it does happen, say "bye" to life as you once knew it.
I agree and it’s only a matter of time until one of the psychopaths from the left gets elected.  The changing demographics all but guarantee it and once the shift happens a republican will never again be elected.  The US as we know it is gone and it’s not coming back.  It was a good run, but we have to recognize that it’s going to become more and more diverse, chaotic and violent in the coming years as socialism slowly takes a grip on everything and mass migration finds its way here.  I don’t plan to be in the US in 5-10 years.  I have several destinations on my radar so far but haven’t made a decision.  Currently I’m living debt free and keeping it as minimalistic as possible.  I’ve put away a lot of money and contribute quite a bit to my 401k.  I should be fine wherever I go although it will be an adjustment.  Human beings have always been forced to move and migrate to preserve their way of life.  This time is no different.  As the scourge takes over the US, we will adapt and move to preserve ourselves.

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Re: Whistleblower Rules Were Changed RIGHT BEFORE the Ukraine Complaint
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2019, 06:10:49 PM »
Even less credible

https://bongino.com/whistleblower-rules-were-changed-right-before-the-ukraine-complaint/

So whistle blower rules which changed in May 2018, almost a year and a half ago, are considered "brand new"? Not to mention that rules don't just change without a lot of discussion, which often goes on for years before there is any action.

It pays to actually read stuff before you post it. Just because it came from FOX News doesn't mean it is accurate or truthful. The media gets things wrong all the time. We all know this.

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Re: Whistleblower Rules Were Changed RIGHT BEFORE the Ukraine Complaint
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2019, 07:04:14 PM »


It pays to actually read stuff before you post it.
Lol, did you read the article? Not saying one way or another as far as the actual accusation as I haven't looked into it but it looks like you read one line and skipped the rest including the second half of that line you looked at.

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Re: Whistleblower Rules Were Changed RIGHT BEFORE the Ukraine Complaint
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2019, 07:22:05 PM »
So whistle blower rules which changed in May 2018, almost a year and a half ago, are considered "brand new"? Not to mention that rules don't just change without a lot of discussion, which often goes on for years before there is any action.

It pays to actually read stuff before you post it. Just because it came from FOX News doesn't mean it is accurate or truthful. The media gets things wrong all the time. We all know this.

Prime - come on man.. You CANT really believe in the liberal / socialist say or thinking. The liberals have perpetrated racism and division for too long. Every intelligent and decent black American has begun to see the truth.
If I am being honest I cannot say that I agree with the Republican Party wholeheartedly either, but I align with what I consider important issues with them MUCH more than the Dems. I don’t consider LBGTQYHSKOPWMZXXATRE issues to be very important at all. DEFINITELY not enough for anyone to vote a leader into power based on. That being said - I don’t think the government has ANY business in our sex life. I just don’t think that anything I say (with the obvious exceptions) should be illegal. The government has absolutely NO BUSINESS in protecting “feelings”.
The left has made a business out of feelings.
 

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Re: Whistleblower Rules Were Changed RIGHT BEFORE the Ukraine Complaint
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2019, 09:02:13 PM »
So whistle blower rules which changed in May 2018, almost a year and a half ago, are considered "brand new"? Not to mention that rules don't just change without a lot of discussion, which often goes on for years before there is any action.

It pays to actually read stuff before you post it. Just because it came from FOX News doesn't mean it is accurate or truthful. The media gets things wrong all the time. We all know this.

Was it reported wrong? That it was changed that now a whistleblower can make a charge without having to actually witness or experience the offense but just go by second-hand information. And rules often change not with a lot of deliberation, discussion, and debate but by those currently in power and how it will benefit them.

But you're right, often the media will outright lie like the New York times has so often been caught in, or they will skew the report to suit their agenda like saying the whistleblower rule change was done on May 2018 almost a year and a half ago when the report actually said:

"Between May 2018 and August 2019, the intelligence community secretly eliminated a requirement that whistleblowers provide direct, first-hand knowledge of alleged wrongdoings."

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Re: Whistleblower Rules Were Changed RIGHT BEFORE the Ukraine Complaint
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2019, 12:36:29 PM »
Was it reported wrong? That it was changed that now a whistleblower can make a charge without having to actually witness or experience the offense but just go by second-hand information. And rules often change not with a lot of deliberation, discussion, and debate but by those currently in power and how it will benefit them.

But you're right, often the media will outright lie like the New York times has so often been caught in, or they will skew the report to suit their agenda like saying the whistleblower rule change was done on May 2018 almost a year and a half ago when the report actually said:

"Between May 2018 and August 2019, the intelligence community secretly eliminated a requirement that whistleblowers provide direct, first-hand knowledge of alleged wrongdoings."

Hear say is not admissible in a parking hearing case or any court. Everything they say Trump did is exactly what Biden actually did. Biden threatened to withhold aid unless a prosecutor investigating his son was fired. Biden is on video tape saying the same. Russian collusion didn't work and now they are trying Ukraine collusion. Now we have moles in intelligence ease dropping on the President's calls to foreign leaders and reporting back to Democrats. Since this is treason he reports to a third party who presents this hear say.  No foreign leader will speak with candor with Trump or any future President because of these repeated attempted coups knowing what they say on a telephone call might be in the press.

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Re: Whistleblower Rules Were Changed RIGHT BEFORE the Ukraine Complaint
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2019, 12:49:45 PM »
This will all amount to nothing but will cost taxpayers $100 million in court and legal costs.

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Re: Whistleblower Rules Were Changed RIGHT BEFORE the Ukraine Complaint
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2019, 12:55:34 PM »
This will all amount to nothing but will cost taxpayers $100 million in court and legal costs.

I wonder who's the next Mueller who will surround himself with Democrat loyal FBI agents and Lawyers. What do you think? A two year 40 million dollar investigation that will add up to nothing. Interesting how Democrats have no interest in the dealings Biden had with the Ukraine. Only after Republicans pointed out his point blank wrong doings they they respond with the defense of, "I know you are but what am I?"

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Re: Whistleblower Rules Were Changed RIGHT BEFORE the Ukraine Complaint
« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2019, 06:01:09 PM »
No the rules were not changed

Just more lies from Trumptard

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This is false. The Federalist reading of the form is inaccurate and although the submission form that whistleblowers from the intelligence community fill out was revised in August 2019, the revision did not change the rules on who can submit a whistleblower complaint.

The theory put forth by the President and his allies hinges on the idea that the ICIG recently changed the rules to allow individuals with secondhand knowledge of an event to submit a whistleblower complaint. This is wrong.
A previous version -- cited by the Federalist -- of the form that whistleblowers submit to alert the inspector general of the intelligence community of an "urgent concern" states that in order for the inspector general to determine that the concern is credible "the IC IG must be in possession of reliable, first-hand information."

This does not mean that the inspector general would reject a complaint if it presented only secondhand knowledge, but that firsthand information would be needed for the complaint to be found credible and passed further up the chain of command. The inspector general has 14 days from when the complaint is submitted to investigate and make a determination as to whether the urgent concern is credible.  And that's exactly what happened in the case of this whistleblower.

During the investigation into this specific complaint about Trump's July 25 call with the Ukrainian President, the inspector general found additional information that "supports the Complainant's allegation that, among other things, during the call the President 'sought to pressure the Ukrainian leader to take actions to help the President's 2020 reelection bid,' " according to the letter from the inspector general to Joseph Maguire, the acting director of national intelligence.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/30/politics/donald-trump-inspector-general-whistleblower-complaint-conspiracy-fact-check/index.html

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Re: Whistleblower Rules Were Changed RIGHT BEFORE the Ukraine Complaint
« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2019, 06:09:39 PM »
Prime - come on man.. You CANT really believe in the liberal / socialist say or thinking. The liberals have perpetrated racism and division for too long. Every intelligent and decent black American has begun to see the truth.
If I am being honest I cannot say that I agree with the Republican Party wholeheartedly either, but I align with what I consider important issues with them MUCH more than the Dems. I don’t consider LBGTQYHSKOPWMZXXATRE issues to be very important at all. DEFINITELY not enough for anyone to vote a leader into power based on. That being said - I don’t think the government has ANY business in our sex life. I just don’t think that anything I say (with the obvious exceptions) should be illegal. The government has absolutely NO BUSINESS in protecting “feelings”.
The left has made a business out of feelings.
 

Government protecting people's feelings is overreaching. If someone defames another's reputation by stating untruths, the injured person should have the right to legal recourse, (filing a civil suit). However, making this a criminal act is wrong.

LBGTQYHSKOPWMZXXATRE - what does all this stand for?  :) The issues of minority communities is very important to the folks in them. I imagine you are not part of such a group. It is understandable why you may not find their concerns important. It can be very difficult to walk in another's shoes.

Not only does government have no business in my sex life, neither should anyone else with whom I do not have an intimate relationship, except if it involves criminal activity.

I'm left of center. Sometimes, some people try to hurt my feelings. If I let them, the onus is on me.





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Re: Whistleblower Rules Were Changed RIGHT BEFORE the Ukraine Complaint
« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2019, 07:00:55 PM »
This idiocy has already been posted. Read it, it is garbage.

I did...lol

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Re: Whistleblower Rules Were Changed RIGHT BEFORE the Ukraine Complaint
« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2019, 07:30:03 PM »
Nothing to see here folks.. move along


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Re: Whistleblower Rules Were Changed RIGHT BEFORE the Ukraine Complaint
« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2019, 07:34:44 PM »
“I never spoke to my son about his work in the Ukraine”

- Joe Biden

Up there with Bill Clinton:

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman".

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Re: Whistleblower Rules Were Changed RIGHT BEFORE the Ukraine Complaint
« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2019, 07:36:02 PM »
Fake news?

Who knows what is fake news and what isn't. All media profits from opposing positions and using whatever it takes to satisfy their target audience, including exaggeration and misrepresentation. What I do know is that the news isn't fake just because one person who is often the subject of bad news says it it. You believe the media you expose yourself to and I believe some of the media I get, which includes FOX News as well as the more liberal sources.