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Re: SAMIR BANNOUT – HOW TO BUILD LAT THICKNESS (FULL BACK WORKOUT)
« Reply #25 on: November 13, 2019, 08:40:04 AM »
the shape of your muscle is genetic, you cant change its shape, you would need to move the insertion points
THIS a muscle moves to its Point of origin.

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Re: SAMIR BANNOUT – HOW TO BUILD LAT THICKNESS (FULL BACK WORKOUT)
« Reply #26 on: November 13, 2019, 09:17:00 AM »
the shape of your muscle is genetic, you cant change its shape, you would need to move the insertion points

Well, you are wrong. Fact is that human body can adopt various things with no problems at all, and that is the fact which old school bodybuilders used all the time. For example expanding their ribcage. If you look side chest poses of those old school bodybuilders, it is quite different than it is done by modern bodybuilders. You can blame the genetics all you want, but fact is that by doing things right, you can change shape of your muscles. Those insertion points are quite similar with all of us, but you don't have to move them. If you change your approach to the excercise, the shape of the muscle will change.

If you don't believe this, just try it by yourself. All you need is good mind/muscle- connection, good form and a perfect range of motion. As Samir said, if you don't feel where the exercise goes, you do it wrong  ;D

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Re: SAMIR BANNOUT – HOW TO BUILD LAT THICKNESS (FULL BACK WORKOUT)
« Reply #27 on: November 13, 2019, 09:44:14 AM »
Well, you are wrong. Fact is that human body can adopt various things with no problems at all, and that is the fact which old school bodybuilders used all the time. For example expanding their ribcage. If you look side chest poses of those old school bodybuilders, it is quite different than it is done by modern bodybuilders. You can blame the genetics all you want, but fact is that by doing things right, you can change shape of your muscles. Those insertion points are quite similar with all of us, but you don't have to move them. If you change your approach to the excercise, the shape of the muscle will change.

If you don't believe this, just try it by yourself. All you need is good mind/muscle- connection, good form and a perfect range of motion. As Samir said, if you don't feel where the exercise goes, you do it wrong  ;D
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Re: SAMIR BANNOUT – HOW TO BUILD LAT THICKNESS (FULL BACK WORKOUT)
« Reply #28 on: November 13, 2019, 09:46:56 AM »
Well, you are wrong. Fact is that human body can adopt various things with no problems at all, and that is the fact which old school bodybuilders used all the time. For example expanding their ribcage. If you look side chest poses of those old school bodybuilders, it is quite different than it is done by modern bodybuilders. You can blame the genetics all you want, but fact is that by doing things right, you can change shape of your muscles. Those insertion points are quite similar with all of us, but you don't have to move them. If you change your approach to the excercise, the shape of the muscle will change.

If you don't believe this, just try it by yourself. All you need is good mind/muscle- connection, good form and a perfect range of motion. As Samir said, if you don't feel where the exercise goes, you do it wrong  ;D

Im afraid science tells you that simply isnt true, after adolescence once your size is fixed its not possible to expand your ribcage

do you think Al Beckles could have made his arms look like Larry Scotts with exercises?

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Re: SAMIR BANNOUT – HOW TO BUILD LAT THICKNESS (FULL BACK WORKOUT)
« Reply #29 on: November 13, 2019, 09:51:16 AM »
Listen good ..you can΄t Change the shape of a muscle or hit each heads , regardless of what Champs say. You curl a barbell or even if you hammer curl it will hit the full muscle. I know..the brachialis …  ;D

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Re: SAMIR BANNOUT – HOW TO BUILD LAT THICKNESS (FULL BACK WORKOUT)
« Reply #30 on: November 13, 2019, 09:54:02 AM »
Im afraid science tells you that simply isnt true, after adolescence once your size is fixed its not possible to expand your ribcage

do you think Al Beckles could have made his arms look like Larry Scotts with exercises?
exactly, you can΄t expand it

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Re: SAMIR BANNOUT – HOW TO BUILD LAT THICKNESS (FULL BACK WORKOUT)
« Reply #31 on: November 13, 2019, 10:01:02 AM »
find an exercise that works for you..concentrate on that exercise, do not waste time on multiple exercises that will "dilute" your Workout.

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Re: SAMIR BANNOUT – HOW TO BUILD LAT THICKNESS (FULL BACK WORKOUT)
« Reply #32 on: November 13, 2019, 10:03:58 AM »
find an exercise that works for you..concentrate on that exercise, do not waste time on multiple exercises that will "dilute" your Workout.
https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=658438.0

based on the pareto principle 20% of your excercises result in 80% of your gains, use the ones that you feel working and you can pretty much negate the rest

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Re: SAMIR BANNOUT – HOW TO BUILD LAT THICKNESS (FULL BACK WORKOUT)
« Reply #33 on: November 13, 2019, 11:54:50 AM »
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Re: SAMIR BANNOUT – HOW TO BUILD LAT THICKNESS (FULL BACK WORKOUT)
« Reply #34 on: November 13, 2019, 02:51:40 PM »
Bent barbell rows develop the whole back even some chest contraction too

Pullups work upper back and width and chest and tris n bis too, but pullups do not work u like bent bb rows
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Re: SAMIR BANNOUT – HOW TO BUILD LAT THICKNESS (FULL BACK WORKOUT)
« Reply #35 on: November 13, 2019, 04:47:03 PM »
Old school or DY style

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Re: SAMIR BANNOUT – HOW TO BUILD LAT THICKNESS (FULL BACK WORKOUT)
« Reply #36 on: November 13, 2019, 05:11:24 PM »
Old school or DY style

Old-school....especially with a narrower grip. My back has improved significantly, particularly when I modeled the form of another back legend..."THE JETMAN" Tony Pearson.


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Re: SAMIR BANNOUT – HOW TO BUILD LAT THICKNESS (FULL BACK WORKOUT)
« Reply #37 on: November 14, 2019, 04:15:52 AM »
Im afraid science tells you that simply isnt true, after adolescence once your size is fixed its not possible to expand your ribcage

do you think Al Beckles could have made his arms look like Larry Scotts with exercises?


Just google "expanding ribcage"  and you see, that it isn't my idea. Point is that it is quite easy to try by yourself, but those who argue against it, doesn't bother to do so. Yes, Beckless would have different pair of biceps, if he would have been training them differently. And you don't believe this because you have tried it by few times, and it didn't do nothing for you?

I have seen this thousands of times: Let say I have knowledge about these things by experience, by study, by reading hundred of books. Not really, but just say so for the argument. I tell the bloke A. how to do preacher curls proper way. I show him, I draw him a picture about it etc. and after a week, I find him to do it completely wrong way. Why?

Because it is so fking hard to understand, that knowledge overrules beliefs what you have been carrying through your life. If you don't see some instant miraculous improvement on your muscle, you go back to your old technique, because it make you feel good. But if that bloke continue to do what I tell him to do, there will be change in the muscle. It doesn't happen overnight, it take some time. How do I prove this? I can't, because you have your prejudices, which tell you that it can't be done. So simple.

But how about this: You have only one pair of pecs, but to get them grow, you do flat bench, incline, decline bench with barbell, dumbbells, you do flyes with dumbbells and cable etc. etc. to hit the muscle at different angles, and make your upper chest grow. It is one muscle, and you believe that you can train only upper chest to make it more visible? And you can, just same reasons why you can make lower lats grow by chancing your approach to the training. Difference is that it is easy to do with pecs, and difficult to do with lats. What I mean is if you can do the bench presses, you can do all the variations, because they aren't so much different. How about back? If you know how to pull chins, will it guarantee that you can do proper T-bar row? Nope. So different angle, so different grip, so different technique and range of motion. So if you have perfect technique for chins and T-bar, you are still missing plenty of angles you should be able to hit to make your lats grow to their full potential.

And by my empirical study of +30 years, that is too much for something like 95% of bodybuilders. We are just apes, we tend to do what comes easy, and what make us feel good. Most of us measure development just by weight added to the load we lift, while it is completely wrong viewpoint. It isn't about weight, it is all about what the weight and technique, range of motion will do to your muscle..If you use good technique and full range of motion, you can't lift so much, but it works far better to build muscle. In the other hand, if you use insane weigts, grunt and yell while lifting those ridiculously short reps, amateurs and fools think you are more masculine, and that tickles your ego nice way. So you choose that over the time consuming and fking hard work you need to accomplish to make your lower lats grow.

And that my friend, that is what modern bodybuilding is all about: Finding easy way to accomplish same goals what old shcool bodybuiilders did the hard way  ;D

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Re: SAMIR BANNOUT – HOW TO BUILD LAT THICKNESS (FULL BACK WORKOUT)
« Reply #38 on: November 14, 2019, 07:10:00 AM »

Just google "expanding ribcage"  and you see, that it isn't my idea. Point is that it is quite easy to try by yourself, but those who argue against it, doesn't bother to do so. Yes, Beckless would have different pair of biceps, if he would have been training them differently. And you don't believe this because you have tried it by few times, and it didn't do nothing for you?

I have seen this thousands of times: Let say I have knowledge about these things by experience, by study, by reading hundred of books. Not really, but just say so for the argument. I tell the bloke A. how to do preacher curls proper way. I show him, I draw him a picture about it etc. and after a week, I find him to do it completely wrong way. Why?

Because it is so fking hard to understand, that knowledge overrules beliefs what you have been carrying through your life. If you don't see some instant miraculous improvement on your muscle, you go back to your old technique, because it make you feel good. But if that bloke continue to do what I tell him to do, there will be change in the muscle. It doesn't happen overnight, it take some time. How do I prove this? I can't, because you have your prejudices, which tell you that it can't be done. So simple.

But how about this: You have only one pair of pecs, but to get them grow, you do flat bench, incline, decline bench with barbell, dumbbells, you do flyes with dumbbells and cable etc. etc. to hit the muscle at different angles, and make your upper chest grow. It is one muscle, and you believe that you can train only upper chest to make it more visible? And you can, just same reasons why you can make lower lats grow by chancing your approach to the training. Difference is that it is easy to do with pecs, and difficult to do with lats. What I mean is if you can do the bench presses, you can do all the variations, because they aren't so much different. How about back? If you know how to pull chins, will it guarantee that you can do proper T-bar row? Nope. So different angle, so different grip, so different technique and range of motion. So if you have perfect technique for chins and T-bar, you are still missing plenty of angles you should be able to hit to make your lats grow to their full potential.

And by my empirical study of +30 years, that is too much for something like 95% of bodybuilders. We are just apes, we tend to do what comes easy, and what make us feel good. Most of us measure development just by weight added to the load we lift, while it is completely wrong viewpoint. It isn't about weight, it is all about what the weight and technique, range of motion will do to your muscle..If you use good technique and full range of motion, you can't lift so much, but it works far better to build muscle. In the other hand, if you use insane weigts, grunt and yell while lifting those ridiculously short reps, amateurs and fools think you are more masculine, and that tickles your ego nice way. So you choose that over the time consuming and fking hard work you need to accomplish to make your lower lats grow.

And that my friend, that is what modern bodybuilding is all about: Finding easy way to accomplish same goals what old shcool bodybuiilders did the hard way  ;D
dude you gotta be trolling !! :D

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Re: SAMIR BANNOUT – HOW TO BUILD LAT THICKNESS (FULL BACK WORKOUT)
« Reply #39 on: November 14, 2019, 07:59:28 AM »

Just google "expanding ribcage"  and you see, that it isn't my idea. Point is that it is quite easy to try by yourself, but those who argue against it, doesn't bother to do so. Yes, Beckless would have different pair of biceps, if he would have been training them differently. And you don't believe this because you have tried it by few times, and it didn't do nothing for you?

I have seen this thousands of times: Let say I have knowledge about these things by experience, by study, by reading hundred of books. Not really, but just say so for the argument. I tell the bloke A. how to do preacher curls proper way. I show him, I draw him a picture about it etc. and after a week, I find him to do it completely wrong way. Why?

Because it is so fking hard to understand, that knowledge overrules beliefs what you have been carrying through your life. If you don't see some instant miraculous improvement on your muscle, you go back to your old technique, because it make you feel good. But if that bloke continue to do what I tell him to do, there will be change in the muscle. It doesn't happen overnight, it take some time. How do I prove this? I can't, because you have your prejudices, which tell you that it can't be done. So simple.

But how about this: You have only one pair of pecs, but to get them grow, you do flat bench, incline, decline bench with barbell, dumbbells, you do flyes with dumbbells and cable etc. etc. to hit the muscle at different angles, and make your upper chest grow. It is one muscle, and you believe that you can train only upper chest to make it more visible? And you can, just same reasons why you can make lower lats grow by chancing your approach to the training. Difference is that it is easy to do with pecs, and difficult to do with lats. What I mean is if you can do the bench presses, you can do all the variations, because they aren't so much different. How about back? If you know how to pull chins, will it guarantee that you can do proper T-bar row? Nope. So different angle, so different grip, so different technique and range of motion. So if you have perfect technique for chins and T-bar, you are still missing plenty of angles you should be able to hit to make your lats grow to their full potential.

And by my empirical study of +30 years, that is too much for something like 95% of bodybuilders. We are just apes, we tend to do what comes easy, and what make us feel good. Most of us measure development just by weight added to the load we lift, while it is completely wrong viewpoint. It isn't about weight, it is all about what the weight and technique, range of motion will do to your muscle..If you use good technique and full range of motion, you can't lift so much, but it works far better to build muscle. In the other hand, if you use insane weigts, grunt and yell while lifting those ridiculously short reps, amateurs and fools think you are more masculine, and that tickles your ego nice way. So you choose that over the time consuming and fking hard work you need to accomplish to make your lower lats grow.

And that my friend, that is what modern bodybuilding is all about: Finding easy way to accomplish same goals what old shcool bodybuiilders did the hard way  ;D

great , so with the benefit of your personal experience, post a picture of your biceps now and then use a few different excercises and then you will be able to show us the change in your bicep shape next year..

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Re: SAMIR BANNOUT – HOW TO BUILD LAT THICKNESS (FULL BACK WORKOUT)
« Reply #40 on: November 14, 2019, 09:20:16 AM »
great , so with the benefit of your personal experience, post a picture of your biceps now and then use a few different excercises and then you will be able to show us the change in your bicep shape next year..

And what exactly I would gain by doing it? Respect of the bunch of the most moronic ass wipes on the planet?

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Re: SAMIR BANNOUT – HOW TO BUILD LAT THICKNESS (FULL BACK WORKOUT)
« Reply #41 on: November 14, 2019, 10:47:38 AM »
And what exactly I would gain by doing it? Respect of the bunch of the most moronic ass wipes on the planet?

you would be able to prove the impossible..
wouldn't that be worth it?

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Re: SAMIR BANNOUT – HOW TO BUILD LAT THICKNESS (FULL BACK WORKOUT)
« Reply #42 on: November 14, 2019, 10:56:01 AM »
Good thread! Lats are my favorite muscle to workout. Thicc boys back there.

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Re: SAMIR BANNOUT – HOW TO BUILD LAT THICKNESS (FULL BACK WORKOUT)
« Reply #43 on: November 15, 2019, 02:45:08 AM »
you would be able to prove the impossible..
wouldn't that be worth it?


One question: Let say you are right: So if you cannot affect any way about the shape of your muscles, you can only make them bigger by training and genes do the rest, what exactly is the point of the bodybuilding?

All you need is mass, and that is all you can build. So what you need is bench, chins and squat, and that's it. All other exercises are futile, because all you can is build mass, not shape it by any way. But what about if you are wrong? If man can change look of his muscles by changing his approach to the certain exercise, what that would mean? That power lifers look different than bodybuilders, that weight lifers look different than bodybuilders, and there would be plenty of bodybuilders who look different compared to each other. Wouldn't that be nice? They could even put up some competitions, because they all look different because differences in their training...wait a minute...I must be dreaming..  ;D

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Re: SAMIR BANNOUT – HOW TO BUILD LAT THICKNESS (FULL BACK WORKOUT)
« Reply #44 on: November 15, 2019, 07:53:22 AM »
'Visualize your biceps as mountain peaks and it will be so!  I say to that mountain: "Move!", and it shall move.' -- Jesus Schwarzenegger




I΄m just waiting for the bro science on Building bicep Peaks in this thread  ;D

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Re: SAMIR BANNOUT – HOW TO BUILD LAT THICKNESS (FULL BACK WORKOUT)
« Reply #45 on: November 15, 2019, 08:42:59 AM »
One question: Let say you are right: So if you cannot affect any way about the shape of your muscles, you can only make them bigger by training and genes do the rest, what exactly is the point of the bodybuilding?

All you need is mass, and that is all you can build. So what you need is bench, chins and squat, and that's it. All other exercises are futile, because all you can is build mass, not shape it by any way. But what about if you are wrong? If man can change look of his muscles by changing his approach to the certain exercise, what that would mean? That power lifers look different than bodybuilders, that weight lifers look different than bodybuilders, and there would be plenty of bodybuilders who look different compared to each other. Wouldn't that be nice? They could even put up some competitions, because they all look different because differences in their training...wait a minute...I must be dreaming..  ;D
making your muscles bigger, fucking hell, you really need me to tell you that?

As for varying excercices then yes, its highly likley that you can find an excercise that will work the muscle through a full ragne of motion and use that to develop it without any other excercises at all
I only do one excercise for triceps, standing rope extensions
Chest, I am at the point now where I am experimenting with cable crossovers only as I dont even feel my pecs working with pressing movements.
I do leg extensions and hacks and lying curls for hams
Back I do a few different excercises because there are differing insertion points for different areas.

Why do varying excercises when you can fully work the muscle to failure with one?

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Re: SAMIR BANNOUT – HOW TO BUILD LAT THICKNESS (FULL BACK WORKOUT)
« Reply #46 on: November 15, 2019, 09:06:43 AM »
making your muscles bigger, fucking hell, you really need me to tell you that?

As for varying excercices then yes, its highly likley that you can find an excercise that will work the muscle through a full ragne of motion and use that to develop it without any other excercises at all
I only do one excercise for triceps, standing rope extensions
Chest, I am at the point now where I am experimenting with cable crossovers only as I dont even feel my pecs working with pressing movements.
I do leg extensions and hacks and lying curls for hams
Back I do a few different excercises because there are differing insertion points for different areas.

Why do varying excercises when you can fully work the muscle to failure with one?
yes for biceps i like incline bench curls. full range of Motion. I agree with you i mean if you hit a muscle Group with intensity on the first exercise you are just cruising on the 2nd & 3rd exercises

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Re: SAMIR BANNOUT – HOW TO BUILD LAT THICKNESS (FULL BACK WORKOUT)
« Reply #47 on: November 15, 2019, 12:49:18 PM »
making your muscles bigger, fucking hell, you really need me to tell you that?

As for varying excercices then yes, its highly likley that you can find an excercise that will work the muscle through a full ragne of motion and use that to develop it without any other excercises at all
I only do one excercise for triceps, standing rope extensions
Chest, I am at the point now where I am experimenting with cable crossovers only as I dont even feel my pecs working with pressing movements.
I do leg extensions and hacks and lying curls for hams
Back I do a few different excercises because there are differing insertion points for different areas.

Why do varying excercises when you can fully work the muscle to failure with one?

Why? You are some kind of idiot, aren't you?  You don't know fuck about training, do you? Do not answer, it is written quite clearly in your comments, which are something what child would write about the matter he doesn't understand at all  ;D

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Re: SAMIR BANNOUT – HOW TO BUILD LAT THICKNESS (FULL BACK WORKOUT)
« Reply #48 on: November 15, 2019, 02:12:35 PM »
Why? You are some kind of idiot, aren't you?  You don't know fuck about training, do you? Do not answer, it is written quite clearly in your comments, which are something what child would write about the matter he doesn't understand at all  ;D

post your pics hot shot...

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Re: SAMIR BANNOUT – HOW TO BUILD LAT THICKNESS (FULL BACK WORKOUT)
« Reply #49 on: November 21, 2019, 04:13:36 AM »
post your pics hot shot...

Just wait it to happen, hold your breath until you see them. What is funny about this matter, whole video is about this bloke, to which Samir is teaching how to change appearance of his lower lats by chancing his training technique. So your point is that you know this better than Samir, and every mr olympia/mr universum before Phil Heath? Well, I am happy for you, you must be a walking, farting encyclopedia of the art bodybuilding, compared to these pitiful fools.. ;D