Reopening America - White House Guidelines... May 1st

[GigantorX]

If it reopens and there is a spike and we end up back in lockdown again by July....   what are all the excuses going to be then?

There is going to be a spike no matter what we do.  It's a virus and it's contagious. And what's the definition of a spike? 1,000 cases over a week? A month? A year? Is this lunacy going to be the Big Red Button that is pressed every time someone gets a cough or sniffles?

The initial goal was met awhile ago. Healthcare capacity wasn't even close to being overwhelmed, no ventilator shortage, no one dying on the streets, no one dying for lack of beds, Mercy ships empty, hospitals at half capacity or less. All goals met in that regard. PPE's are still an ongoing issue but that is to be expected.

There was never a "Zero COVID-19 cases for 10 years until we can come out of our homes." goal. I don't know where this came from,  The goal posts keep moving and moving. Not going to have much of a nation left to come out to if we keep on with the current illogical hysteria..maybe that's the point?

What is the spike in suicides going to look like due to this? Violent crime? Shattered towns and families? Social and economic dislocation?

You want to stay in your home and hide under your bed? Fine. Do that. Not every single locality should be treated as New York City or Northern Italy.

Here, do this:

Masks in public
Adjust occupancy in restaurants and bars
Isolate and protect he most vulnerable
Check temps and test those going back to factories and offices and places of business.
Antibody tests
Isolate flare ups as they come up.
Keep expanded infrastructure in place in case spikes happen.
Begin elective procedures

[bigkid]

Im confusing and mixing things. Ok, I'm not sure what to call what you are doing.

Liberate this and liberate that were directed at Democratic run states encouraging people to violate the stay at home orders that were in compliance with his own guidelines. No spinning it here. He was in fact encouraging governors to open up prematurely. How do we know? Because he said it "Some states could open up but are dragging their feet" when in fact NO state was meeting HIS OWN GUIDELINES to enter phaSe 1.

While you say his guidelines say May 1st, thats not in his guidelines. that was an optimistic hope. His guidelines set out criteria for entering phase one. However none of the states pushing their opening for this week have meet them. Here are the guidelines from the Gov website

https://www.whitehouse.gov/openingamerica/#criteria

So again please point out where I am mixing it up and you are accurate

I already pointed out what you said that was misleading and inaccurate.  You said Trump has been pushing states to open prematurely and your proof was his "liberate" tweets.  One has nothing to do with the other.  The "liberate" tweets were directed at states like Michigan, where the Governor is abusing civil liberties above and beyond what other states are doing.  Not letting people travel to their 2nd home or let them buy vegetable seeds but abortion clinics are open.  While in Virginia, they're passing gun control legislation in the middle of a pandemic.  Has nothing to do with pushing the states to reopen "prematurely"  That's your narrative.

The Guidelines don't list May 1st but that date has been talked about frequently.  https://nypost.com/2020/04/16/trump-unveils-opening-up-america-plan-aims-for-may-1/

You kind of answered your own question.  GA doesn't meet most of the phase 1 criteria.  So why are surprised Trump didn't back Kemp after he's not following the guidelines laid out by The WH?

Criteria for phase 1 reopening:
Downward trajectory of flu-like illnesses reported within a 14-day period:

No. Georgia has not yet reported a two-week decline in flu-like illnesses.
Or ...

Downward trajectory of COVID-like syndromic cases reported within a 14-day period:

No. Georgia has not shown a 14-day downward trend of new cases reported.
On Cases:

Downward trajectory of documented cases within a 14-day period:

No. The state continues to see an increase in cases.
Or ...

Downward trajectory of positive tests as a percent of total tests within a 14-day period:

No. Georgia reported more than 100,000 tests with a 22% positive rate. Experts say 10% positive is a good benchmark to indicate enough testing is being done. And the state has seen a relatively steady number of new coronavirus cases reported over the past two weeks.
On Hospitals:

Treat all patients without crisis care:

No. There is no evidence that the state has been able to treat all hospital patients without crisis care. Atlanta's mayor has warned of the strain the city's hospitals are facing in attempting to treat the disease.

[Rusty Trombone]

There is going to be a spike no matter what we do.  It's a virus and it's contagious. And what's the definition of a spike? 1,000 cases over a week? A month? A year? Is this lunacy going to be the Big Red Button that is pressed every time someone gets a cough or sniffles?

The initial goal was met awhile ago. Healthcare capacity wasn't even close to being overwhelmed, no ventilator shortage, no one dying on the streets, no one dying for lack of beds, Mercy ships empty, hospitals at half capacity or less. All goals met in that regard. PPE's are still an ongoing issue but that is to be expected.

There was never a "Zero COVID-19 cases for 10 years until we can come out of our homes." goal. I don't know where this came from,  The goal posts keep moving and moving. Not going to have much of a nation left to come out to if we keep on with the current illogical hysteria..maybe that's the point?

What is the spike in suicides going to look like due to this? Violent crime? Shattered towns and families? Social and economic dislocation?

You want to stay in your home and hide under your bed? Fine. Do that. Not every single locality should be treated as New York City or Northern Italy.

Here, do this:

Masks in public
Adjust occupancy in restaurants and bars
Isolate and protect he most vulnerable
Check temps and test those going back to factories and offices and places of business.
Antibody tests
Isolate flare ups as they come up.
Keep expanded infrastructure in place in case spikes happen.
Begin elective procedures

Nothing to add here. Great post.

[Agnostic007]

I already pointed out what you said that was misleading and inaccurate.  You said Trump has been pushing states to open prematurely and your proof was his "liberate" tweets.  One has nothing to do with the other.  The "liberate" tweets were directed at states like Michigan, where the Governor is abusing civil liberties above and beyond what other states are doing.  Not letting people travel to their 2nd home or let them buy vegetable seeds but abortion clinics are open.  While in Virginia, they're passing gun control legislation in the middle of a pandemic.  Has nothing to do with pushing the states to reopen "prematurely"  That's your narrative.

The Guidelines don't list May 1st but that date has been talked about frequently.  https://nypost.com/2020/04/16/trump-unveils-opening-up-america-plan-aims-for-may-1/

You kind of answered your own question.  GA doesn't meet most of the phase 1 criteria.  So why are surprised Trump didn't back Kemp after he's not following the guidelines laid out by The WH?

Criteria for phase 1 reopening:
Downward trajectory of flu-like illnesses reported within a 14-day period:

No. Georgia has not yet reported a two-week decline in flu-like illnesses.
Or ...

Downward trajectory of COVID-like syndromic cases reported within a 14-day period:

No. Georgia has not shown a 14-day downward trend of new cases reported.
On Cases:

Downward trajectory of documented cases within a 14-day period:

No. The state continues to see an increase in cases.
Or ...

Downward trajectory of positive tests as a percent of total tests within a 14-day period:

No. Georgia reported more than 100,000 tests with a 22% positive rate. Experts say 10% positive is a good benchmark to indicate enough testing is being done. And the state has seen a relatively steady number of new coronavirus cases reported over the past two weeks.
On Hospitals:

Treat all patients without crisis care:

No. There is no evidence that the state has been able to treat all hospital patients without crisis care. Atlanta's mayor has warned of the strain the city's hospitals are facing in attempting to treat the disease.

You forget Trumps many comments during his "briefings" when he said some governors were dragging their feet and also referring to the same states he tweeted "Liberate" about. To not see the connection is just willful ignorance.

You forget that Trump was asked about the very same plan Kemp was going to implement the day before he threw him under the bus and his response was ""He's a very capable man. He knows what he’s doing. He’s done a very good job as governor in Georgia,"

No concern there... Even though at the point Kemp had not met Trump/WH guidelines to open anything.

I'm used to Trumpsters spinning facts and rewriting history in order to protect him. Just the other day I read numerous posts from my Republican FB friends explaining how brilliant Trump was for suggesting the injection of disinfectant and somehow using UV light to destroy the virus. For 24 hours I read how they compared it to Chemo and how he was so forward thinking. Then when Trump came out the next day and claimed he was just being sarcastic, they all had egg on their face and tried to backtrack. So it's no surprise that you won't accept Trump is coverning his bases by both encouraging Kemp to open up early and then condemning it.

[Yamcha]

I will thrust trust the brilliant scientists at GetBig and return to gym on May 1st.

[Dokey111]

Here, do this:

Masks in public
Adjust occupancy in restaurants and bars
Isolate and protect he most vulnerable
Check temps and test those going back to factories and offices and places of business.
Antibody tests
Isolate flare ups as they come up.
Keep expanded infrastructure in place in case spikes happen.
Begin elective procedures

This is Getbig.  Masks in gyms?  Wipedowns after every use of x?

[Methyl m1ke]

Am I the only person who does not see a big need for testing? Like what does that do for us anyway? Yey its being used as some kind of green or red light to go back to normal living? We test a bunch of people, maybe they test positive, MAYBE THEY TEST NEGATIVE---AND??? The cdc does not even guarantee immunity if youve had it, so tell me again WHY THE FUCK ARE WE IN LIMBO BECAUSE NOT ENOUGH TESTING IS BEING DONE?

Someone smart please help this make sense to me because right now I feel very confused and extremely frustrated.

[RinkRatRN]

Unfortunately testing is not very accurate, my wife and I are both RNs in Ny we’ve tested people that had all the symptoms and we would get two negatives before receiving a positive, there really just learning as they go.  Although they haven’t proven you can’t get coved a second time, that’s just typically how a virus works unless of course if it mutates.  Testing on a wide scale has more to do with figuring out critical% of patients and death%.  It’s definitely a nasty virus.  Unfortunately in NY we were hit pretty hard. 

[friedchickendinner]

I have the feeling that as soon as the gyms re-open Getbiggers will calm down.

[bigkid]

You forget Trumps many comments during his "briefings" when he said some governors were dragging their feet and also referring to the same states he tweeted "Liberate" about. To not see the connection is just willful ignorance.

Direct proof?  You're blending and massaging things again to fit your narrative.  Nothing he said about 'dragging feet" had to do with forcing states to open "prematurely".  Of course he wants states to reopen, but he's also set guidelines that he wants followed for a successful re-opening.  He's echoed that many times.  Trump is the only guy I know that gets hate on for being optimistic.

You forget that Trump was asked about the very same plan Kemp was going to implement the day before he threw him under the bus and his response was ""He's a very capable man. He knows what he’s doing. He’s done a very good job as governor in Georgia,"

No concern there... Even though at the point Kemp had not met Trump/WH guidelines to open anything.

  Is this the first time you've ever heard Trump speak?  He says stuff like this all the time about his republican allies.  What are you expecting him to say? He can praise Kemp for the overall job he's done and still disagree with his move to open early.  They are not mutually exclusive things.

I'm used to Trumpsters spinning facts and rewriting history in order to protect him. Just the other day I read numerous posts from my Republican FB friends explaining how brilliant Trump was for suggesting the injection of disinfectant and somehow using UV light to destroy the virus. For 24 hours I read how they compared it to Chemo and how he was so forward thinking. Then when Trump came out the next day and claimed he was just being sarcastic, they all had egg on their face and tried to backtrack. So it's no surprise that you won't accept Trump is coverning his bases by both encouraging Kemp to open up early and then condemning it.

You're not a super bright guy and i'm sure your friends fall in a similar iq range. 

[funk51]

This is Getbig.  Masks in gyms?  Wipedowns after every use of x?

      that's not going to happen 1 in 4 people might wipe down equipment after usage. the only gym i ever been to that had  an employee constantly doing this was steel fitness. a high end club.

[njflex]

      that's not going to happen 1 in 4 people might wipe down equipment after usage. the only gym i ever been to that had  an employee constantly doing this was steel fitness. a high end club.

before total lockdown hit the gym i train at had 2 guys wiping everything after each person left an area or machine..if they keep it in place moving foward to a certain degree it will help until this totally dies down.still in nj we are weeks or more from anything anyway.

[Primemuscle]

This is Getbig.  Masks in gyms?  Wipedowns after every use of x?

What if it is do this or the gym gets closed down? I'd happily wear a mask and carry around a package of disinfectant wipes if it meant my gym could open back up.

[Primemuscle]

Am I the only person who does not see a big need for testing? Like what does that do for us anyway? Yey its being used as some kind of green or red light to go back to normal living? We test a bunch of people, maybe they test positive, MAYBE THEY TEST NEGATIVE---AND??? The cdc does not even guarantee immunity if youve had it, so tell me again WHY THE FUCK ARE WE IN LIMBO BECAUSE NOT ENOUGH TESTING IS BEING DONE?

Someone smart please help this make sense to me because right now I feel very confused and extremely frustrated.

One of the reasons the CDC cannot guarantee immunity if you've had COVID-19 is because enough people haven't tested to emphatically prove this to be true. Whether or not we reopen the economy by ending the lock-down without additional testing is another issue. People will revolt and violate the lock-down if it means the difference between earning a living, paying your bills and having enough money to buy food. Sure, opening the economy too soon increases the possibility that more people will get sick and some of those will die. Ultimately, it will come down to survival of the fittest. The COVID-19 pandemic is an excellent test of the power of human nature.

[Primemuscle]

I have the feeling that as soon as the gyms re-open Getbiggers will calm down.

I know, right? -Don't know about the rest of you all, but I am going stir crazy and the boredom is really getting me down. This morning, I slept in until almost noon. This means I slept for a half a day. But hey, there is not much else to do, so might just as well get lots of sleep.

[Primemuscle]

before total lockdown hit the gym i train at had 2 guys wiping everything after each person left an area or machine..if they keep it in place moving foward to a certain degree it will help until this totally dies down.still in nj we are weeks or more from anything anyway.

It may well be weeks before things start changing or it could happen tomorrow. Across the U.S. and indeed the world there is a lot of decisions made on a daily basis.

[Tapeworm]

I know, right? -Don't know about the rest of you all, but I am going stir crazy and the boredom is really getting me down. This morning, I slept in until almost noon. This means I slept for a half a day. But hey, there is not much else to do, so might just as well get lots of sleep.

If mindless Hollywood drek isn't passing the time, and you might dig educational stuff, The Teaching Company has lots of video and audio stuff. They're expensive but, in theory, could be ruthlessly pirated, if one were so inclined.

[Agnostic007]

Direct proof?  You're blending and massaging things again to fit your narrative.  Nothing he said about 'dragging feet" had to do with forcing states to open "prematurely".  Of course he wants states to reopen, but he's also set guidelines that he wants followed for a successful re-opening.  He's echoed that many times.  Trump is the only guy I know that gets hate on for being optimistic.
  Is this the first time you've ever heard Trump speak?  He says stuff like this all the time about his republican allies.  What are you expecting him to say? He can praise Kemp for the overall job he's done and still disagree with his move to open early.  They are not mutually exclusive things.
You're not a super bright guy and i'm sure your friends fall in a similar iq range.

like I said, I've seen enough to know once a Trumpster makes up his mind even video of Trump saying it won't change it.