Carnivore, Vegan, Keto, Vegetarian, Fruitarian... What?

[joswift]

you eating normal supermarket eggs and dairy?

how are the shits?

free range eggs and full fat milk, cottage cheese and Yoghurts

Had shits for a couple of weeks, now regular

Was concerned at first about lack of fibre, but when I looked into it its fats that keep you regular.

[Mr Anabolic]

free range eggs and full fat milk, cottage cheese and Yoghurts

Had shits for a couple of weeks, now regular

Was concerned at first about lack of fibre, but when I looked into it its fats that keep you regular.

That is BS.  You NEED fiber in your diet.  It's the essential nutrient that no one ever talks about.

[Mr Anabolic]

Nothing but a well balanced, natural foods diet with a moderate to low amount of protein for me.

Tried the Paleo diet a few times a while back. Got super lean and also got kidney stones. Each and every time. Turns out these extreme diets create extremes in body chemistry. In my case the uric acid levels skyrocketed in my urine causing uric acid stones. Confirmed by 24 hour tests performed at the urologist.

Humans were not geared to eat high levels of protein without also eating far more  fiber via plants. We also hadn't evolved to live off highly refined carbohydrate diets.

The best diet I have used is just a natural one consisting of about 0.8-1 g protein per kg bodyweight and the rest as plants and natural fats. To get lean i calorie count and leave room for about a 10-20% error in calorie values. Currently leaning out (1.5-2 lbs per week) on a 2200 calorie a day diet. Works predictably without any negative side effects.

Very good post. 

I tried keto twice... I was in my 20's (now 54).  Both times I was on it for 6 months straight, and I did not cheat or deviate from the protocol.  I did not gain any more muscle and did not lose much fat either.   Performing intense workouts (especially legs) was almost impossible.  Your body/muscles want glucose NOT ketones.   

You young guys can get away doing bizarre things to yourselves because you're young... no other reason.  Youth tends to smooth-over nutritional deficiencies and imbalances.  However, the problems will start to show as you age. 

[Humble Narcissist]

Dieting, in the sense of losing weight, is one of those things that is simple but not easy. Simple in the sense that the only way, THE ONLY WAY, to lose weight is to be at a caloric deficit. But it's not easy because people like to eat. In our culture, unlike how it use to be for most of history and for a large part of the world, going hungry, even just slightly, is intolerable for most. They just have never experienced it and for most, if they miss lunch, then they are "starving" by 5 pm. "Starving". There's a guy at work that when he's late taking his lunch because of he got slammed with clients complains to me that he goes "crazy" if he doesn't eat "on time". If he's an hour late he told me he starts climbing the walls. An hour late for lunch.

So everybody is always looking for easy ways and tricks and secrets to lose weight without the slightest bit of discomfort.

Of course, I do believe there are some ways that are better than others for losing fat.

I've found that when I ate 4-6 meals a day I (bodybuilding type diet) missing even 1 meal caused great discomfort whereas there was less discomfort even on a 1 meal a day diet.  The body adjusts to just 1 meal but I don't know if eating all food at once is good as we get older.  In the end a calorie is just a calorie.

[Hypertrophy]

Protein is the most important macronutrient. Everybody would benefit from eating at least 1g/lbs. And humans can live with no intake of fiber. The fiber thing has been debunked.

Absolute nonsense lol. You can live just fine on 0.5-1.0 grams per kg. I have gone as high as 2.5 gms per kg and it was a total waste. You have heard of gluconeogenesis haven't you? The unused protein converts to glucose via a very inefficient cycle and of course loads your kidneys down with high nitrogen levels in the form of uric acid.  And the conversion of protein to carbs just makes you fat.

As for "the fiber thing being debunked" - you are on crack. Without plant fiber to expedite elimination and control blood sugar in the human body you end up with extremely slow transit times through the bowels - leading to potentially septic conditions. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3257631/

Humans can live with no intake of food, let alone fiber, lol. They just eventually die.

[joswift]

That is BS.  You NEED fiber in your diet.  It's the essential nutrient that no one ever talks about.

I havent eaten any fibre since xmas and my bowel movements are fine

There are studies and evidence that people with constipation have fibre removed from their diets and fats added to allow better digestion
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15654804

A diet poor in fiber should not be assumed to be the cause of chronic constipation. Some patients may be helped by a fiber-rich diet but many patients with more severe constipation get worse symptoms when increasing dietary fiber intake.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3435786/

[loco]

Very good post. 

I tried keto twice... I was in my 20's (now 54).  Both times I was on it for 6 months straight, and I did not cheat or deviate from the protocol.  I did not gain any more muscle and did not lose much fat either.   Performing intense workouts (especially legs) was almost impossible.  Your body/muscles want glucose NOT ketones.   

You young guys can get away doing bizarre things to yourselves because you're young... no other reason.  Youth tends to smooth-over nutritional deficiencies and imbalances.  However, the problems will start to show as you age.

It's actually the other way around.  A young body can tolerate the abuse of daily high levels of blood glucose and industrial seed oil consumption for years.  But eventually your cells become insulin resistant as a result, and you start developing fatty liver, fatty pancreas, etc.

This is why people start to get fatter as they age, even if they keep the same level of activity and eating the same portions of the same foods.  If they don't correct the problem by eating less carbs and eliminating these seed oils, pre-diabetes, diabetes, heart disease, cancer, mental illness, dementia, etc. will soon follow.

Dr. Shawn Baker, on carnivore diet, primarily eats rib eye 3-5 pounds a day for the last 3 years. Pretty damn impressive at 53, strong mofo too.

[loco]

Medical studies have shown that dietary fiber at best is slightly helpful for people who abuse carbohydrates.  At worse, it is harmful.  People who eat lots of fat and no more than 150g carbs per day don't need it.

Vegetarians, who consume high levels of dietary fiber, are more likely to develop colon cancer than meat eaters.

People who supplement with psyllium fiber are actually more likely to develop colon cancer too.

[Mr Anabolic]

It's actually the other way around.  A young body can tolerate the abuse of daily high levels of blood glucose and industrial seed oil consumption for years.  But eventually your cells become insulin resistant as a result, and you start developing fatty liver, fatty pancreas, etc.

This is why people start to get fatter as they age, even if they keep the same level of activity and eating the same portions of the same foods.  If they don't correct the problem by eating less carbs and eliminating these seed oils, pre-diabetes, diabetes, heart disease, cancer, mental illness, dementia, etc. will soon follow.

Yes, people get fat as they get old... BECAUSE they don't exercise and eat lots of junk food and sugars.  You're doing your best to say that glucose/carbs are evil, which is simply not true at all. 

Want to lose weight?...  eat less calories and avoid simple sugars and fructose.  It's not complicated at all.

[_bruce_]

The only option is to try it consistently for a few months and then draw a personal verdict.
For example, eating only little animal fat for three years took a toll on me.

[Mr Anabolic]

I havent eaten any fibre since xmas and my bowel movements are fine

There are studies and evidence that people with constipation have fibre removed from their diets and fats added to allow better digestion
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15654804https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3435786/

Your bowel movements may be moving now, but what does the inside of your colon look like?  You keep eating a diet lacking in fiber and colon cancer is in your future.

You NEED FIBER IN YOUR DIET.   I don't care what that bogus ncbi article says.

[loco]

Yes, people get fat as they get old... BECAUSE they don't exercise and eat lots of junk food and sugars.  You're doing your best to say that glucose/carbs are evil, which is simply not true at all. 

Want to lose weight?...  eat less calories and avoid simple sugars and fructose.  It's not complicated at all.

I said people who get fat as they age even when they continue to exercise the same and eat the same portions of the same foods as they did when they were young.  It happens all the time.  It's called insulin resistance.

What about the many patients on the keto diet who lose hundreds of pounds of fat without exercise?  They can't exercise because of an injury or because they are crippled. 

I never said carbohydrates are evil, but all carbohydrates do get converted to glucose.  And years of high levels of blood glucose is indeed toxic to the human body and leads to all kinds of health issues.  That's a fact.

[Mr Anabolic]

Medical studies have shown that dietary fiber at best is slightly helpful for people who abuse carbohydrates.  At worse, it is harmful.  People who eat lots of fat and no more than 150g carbs per day don't need it.

Vegetarians, who consume high levels of dietary fiber, are more likely to develop colon cancer than meat eaters.

People who supplement with  are actually more likely to develop colon cancer too.

This is total BS.  That Dr must have some type of agenda.

How long have you been on your meat-no fiber "diet"?... a couple months?... years?

I've been taking psyllium fiber everyday for the last 35 years.  Had a colonoscopy done 2 years ago.  Doctor said it was the cleanest colon he's ever seen.  When I sit down on the toilet it takes 30 seconds and I'm done.     

[Mr Anabolic]

I said people who get fat as they age even when they continue to exercise the same and eat the same portions of the same foods as they did when they were young.  It happens all the time.  It's called insulin resistance.

What about the many patients on the keto diet who lose hundreds of pounds of fat without exercise?  They can't exercise because of an injury or because they are crippled. 

I never said carbohydrates are evil, but all carbohydrates do get converted to glucose.  And years of high levels of blood glucose is indeed toxic to the human body and leads to all kinds of health issues.  That's a fact.

If you live long enough EVERYONE becomes insulin resistant. 

Yes high levels of sugars are toxic... no argument there.  This is why we're suppose to limit simple sugar intake and eat more complex carbs.

[Mr Anabolic]

I havent eaten any fibre since xmas and my bowel movements are fine

There are studies and evidence that people with constipation have fibre removed from their diets and fats added to allow better digestion
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15654804https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3435786/

Since xmas huh?   5 months and now you're an expert on colon health.   

[loco]

If you live long enough EVERYONE becomes insulin resistant. 

Yes high levels of sugars are toxic... no argument there.  This is why we're suppose to limit simple sugar intake and eat more complex carbs.

No.  Not everyone, and insulin resistance can be reversed.

Limit simple sugars and eat more complex carbs?  To prevent insulin resistance?  That's an oxymoron.  All complex carbs too get turned into the simplest of sugars, glucose.

[Kwon]

Some people may be Carnivores, Vegans, Ketos, Fruitarians....


Whatever...

I AM A HENDARIAN!

ALWAYS BEEN; ALWAYS WILL ALWAYS BE!

#TEAM HAIRY CHEST OF PEACE!

[loco]

This is total BS.  That Dr must have some type of agenda.

Why?  He presented the data.  What have you got?

How long have you been on your meat-no fiber "diet"?... a couple months?... years?

I'm not.  I'm simply presenting that data.  I used to be the one saying everything that you are saying.  I know better now.

I've been taking psyllium fiber everyday for the last 35 years.  Had a colonoscopy done 2 years ago.  Doctor said it was the cleanest colon he's ever seen.  When I sit down on the toilet it takes 30 seconds and I'm done.   

Good for you, on the test results. 

I used to take psyllium fiber every day too, for many years.  Never had problems with constipation before.  So that's not the reason I started taking it.

I started because I read it fills you up, and helps control your appetite and food portions, which it did.  I also thought it would help me prevent colon cancer. 

I realized that after a while, if I didn't take it I got constipated.  So I made sure I always took it.  Then I realized that if I didn't increase the dose slightly, I would get constipated.  It's like my body was getting dependent on it.

I reluctantly stopped after I decided to do some research and found that it actually increased my risk of colon cancer.  I also found out that it wasn't necessary, or could be even harmful in other ways.  Taking massive, bulky craps everyday, several times a day isn't good for your body.

I was terrified that stopping would cause major constipation.  But after more than six months of zero fiber supplementation, eating a high fat low carb diet, my digestion is better than ever.  Plus I save a ton of money not buying fiber supplements.  That stuff was expensive.

[joswift]

Since xmas huh?   5 months and now you're an expert on colon health.   

No, Im not constipated..

when did I claim to be an expert on anything?

[joswift]

Nothing but a well balanced, natural foods diet with a moderate to low amount of protein for me.

Tried the Paleo diet a few times a while back. Got super lean and also got kidney stones. Each and every time. Turns out these extreme diets create extremes in body chemistry. In my case the uric acid levels skyrocketed in my urine causing uric acid stones. Confirmed by 24 hour tests performed at the urologist.

Humans were not geared to eat high levels of protein without also eating far more  fiber via plants. We also hadn't evolved to live off highly refined carbohydrate diets.

The best diet I have used is just a natural one consisting of about 0.8-1 g protein per kg bodyweight and the rest as plants and natural fats. To get lean i calorie count and leave room for about a 10-20% error in calorie values. Currently leaning out (1.5-2 lbs per week) on a 2200 calorie a day diet. Works predictably without any negative side effects.

I take Potassium citrate solution every day, a teaspoon 15gms of powder in 1.5 litres of sugar free cordial, it neutralised the acidity of your body and stone formation is halted.

I used it prior to lithotripsy for my kidney stones and the consultant doing the treatment said he had never seen stones break up and disintegrate as fast

I was scheduled to have 2 surgeries to remove the stones but I convinced him to try lithotripsy after a gave him the evidence I had regarding potassium citrate usage.

[visualizeperfection]

been carnivore since xmas, I still eat dairy and eggs, best shape I have ever been in and not even restricting calories, Im always full and never hungry, if I decide to compete later this year covid allowing then I only need to cut out my tub of yoghurt (500 cals) and i will be ready in ten weeks

I do a pretty loose carnivore style diet throughout my work week now, meats and eggs are huge in my diet. I’m not really cutting down any different than I would with a suffering diet, but I feel a lot better honestly. I have a nagging knot on my shoulder blade that seems to disappear completely on a near zero carbohydrate diet. Come Sunday after relaxing a bit and having beers, it starts to slowly creep back. So that’s absolutely not placebo.

I also have no cravings. If I eat oats or other “healthy carbs” for breakfast, without fail I will be craving junk food by 10.

I’ve found that if you’re going to cut carbs, you have to eat tons of high fat items, or constipation is a concern. I’ll shit every other day on near zero carb diets, toss 8 oz of ribeye and I’ll ruin a shitter.

[loco]

I do a pretty loose carnivore style diet throughout my work week now, meats and eggs are huge in my diet. I’m not really cutting down any different than I would with a suffering diet, but I feel a lot better honestly. I have a nagging knot on my shoulder blade that seems to disappear completely on a near zero carbohydrate diet. Come Sunday after relaxing a bit and having beers, it starts to slowly creep back. So that’s absolutely not placebo.

I also have no cravings. If I eat oats or other “healthy carbs” for breakfast, without fail I will be craving junk food by 10.

I’ve found that if you’re going to cut carbs, you have to eat tons of high fat items, or constipation is a concern. I’ll shit every other day on near zero carb diets, toss 8 oz of ribeye and I’ll ruin a shitter.

All the same benefits reported by everyone who tries the carnivore diet for a month or longer.

[Mr Anabolic]

Why?  He presented the data.  What have you got?

I have my 35 years of life experience, 2 colonoscopies and NO health issues whatsoever. 

How long you been eating a no-fiber diet?

BTW, psyllium fiber is not expensive when you buy it in bulk. 

[Mr Anabolic]

All the same benefits reported by everyone who tries the carnivore diet for a month or longer.

It's been well known for some time that excess sugars cause inflammation.     

We literally could go on and on here:
 
Sugar is poison... alcohol is poison... pesticides are poison... drugs/hormones they feed cattle are poison... pharmaceutical drugs are poison... etc. 

[Jizmonkey]

As I’ve gotten older I need to put fibre in my protein shakes or I will tear my ass. That’s my study.