RIP - Luke Sandoe - IFBB Pro

[SF1900]

Can we distinguish suicide by hanging versus auto-erotic asphyxiation?

I learned about a website in 2002 called SilentVictims.org about people who cut off their circulation while masturbating, and something like 5% of them die.  Sounds brilliant. 

The problem is, then the families announce it as a suicide because they are too embarrassed to admit that their child or family member/loved one was engaging in something so moronic.

That being said, any of us could have probably died at some point from a night of drinking or something.  Literally the first year I started drinking [2003 - when I was 21], I went to sleep after a night of drinking during my summer army training in Kingston, ON, and woke up covered in puke.  Someone told me that I could have died, and that Jimmy Hendrix died that way.  So go figure.

That being said, if anyone dies by masturbation, and he is found with his pants pulled down, I would think that shouldn't be hidden by the family.  But I can see why that would be hard to deal with.

Robin Williams was actually in a movie where his son died in this fashion.  There was even speculation that Williams died in this fashion.  But I also heard he had just been diagnosed with Parkinson's Disease, and had to settle a huge $35 million divorce.

Robin Willians did not have Parkinson’s .

He was diagnosed with Lewy Body Dementia.

[Body-Buildah]

Only Luke knows why (like, its not just one thing ie. "the ex-wife", etc).
Its a longtime ongoing mental issue. He was one of the few like-able guys in the game/sport/thongfest. Suicides are up big-time since Covid-quarantine began.
(But whatever makes others "feel safe" right)? Hoax.
(People alone with their feelings of anxiety, depression, loneliness and so on). Its not selfish like one retard here said, just another comment by those who know noting of the illness.
Quite the personality and a great guy to those who have known and met him, RIP.

[OlympiaGym]

His poor kids. They will have to live with this for the rest of their lives. They, and everyone who chooses to stick around and be part of their lives, will have to live with the legacy of this. They are the real victims here.

If you have enough wherewithal to pursue a bodybuilding/fitness industry career complete with endorsements and constant media appearances you should be with it enough to pause for a moment and seek help some help. That should be your priority in life not swaggering around like some F list celebrity.

I’m sure I’ll get flamed for this opinion but that’s just the world we live in today where everything is somebody else’s fault, no one is weak - just sick, and the government is responsible, not you, for keeping you safe and sound.

[MAXX]

Has to be something really messed up in your mind if you choose to take your own life. Was he on some drugs/medication?(other than AAS)?

I know going off steroids can(or will rather) really drop your mood and wellbeing, and I know there has been many cases of suicides from guys going off completly.. But i doubt he was off I mean he still had size and strength.

[JAGO]

Bro...

Bro . . .

[friedchickendinner]

His poor kids. They will have to live with this for the rest of their lives. They, and everyone who chooses to stick around and be part of their lives, will have to live with the legacy of this. They are the real victims here.

If you have enough wherewithal to pursue a bodybuilding/fitness industry career complete with endorsements and constant media appearances you should be with it enough to pause for a moment and seek help some help. That should be your priority in life not swaggering around like some F list celebrity.

I’m sure I’ll get flamed for this opinion but that’s just the world we live in today where everything is somebody else’s fault, no one is weak - just sick, and the government is responsible, not you, for keeping you safe and sound.

Lots of assumptions here howabout we try to be respectful about it.

We do not know the state he was in, maybe he did seek out help (that doesnt come with a guarantee that it will work).

You cannot expect somebody to be himself when he's not himself.

I can think of quite a few situations where people act the way they do because the situation they are in leaves no other alternatives.

I'm thinking somebody who kill himself may be in mental state and such severe pain that they'll do anything just to make it stop.

[Humble Narcissist]

Suicide is seen as an honorable way to die in some cultures (like the samurai).  There are worse ways to go than going out on your own terms.

[The Keto Kid]

He was seeing a therapist once a week he discussed in a recent podcast,  he touches on he was about to possibly start an SSRI.

[harmankardon1]

His poor kids. They will have to live with this for the rest of their lives. They, and everyone who chooses to stick around and be part of their lives, will have to live with the legacy of this. They are the real victims here.

If you have enough wherewithal to pursue a bodybuilding/fitness industry career complete with endorsements and constant media appearances you should be with it enough to pause for a moment and seek help some help. That should be your priority in life not swaggering around like some F list celebrity.

I’m sure I’ll get flamed for this opinion but that’s just the world we live in today where everything is somebody else’s fault, no one is weak - just sick, and the government is responsible, not you, for keeping you safe and sound.

My ex long term girlfriends father killed himself when she was young ( he had a very serious illness) and it's true, such an act will be a defining feature of his children's lives....

It's no joke, the effect it will have on his family for the rest of their lives.

[illuminati]

His poor kids. They will have to live with this for the rest of their lives. They, and everyone who chooses to stick around and be part of their lives, will have to live with the legacy of this. They are the real victims here.

If you have enough wherewithal to pursue a bodybuilding/fitness industry career complete with endorsements and constant media appearances you should be with it enough to pause for a moment and seek help some help. That should be your priority in life not swaggering around like some F list celebrity.

I’m sure I’ll get flamed for this opinion but that’s just the world we live in today where everything is somebody else’s fault, no one is weak - just sick, and the government is responsible, not you, for keeping you safe and sound.

You’re entitled to you’re opinion.
And in some way I Agree & Understand where you’re coming from,
And even many with deep depression may agree - Though its a whole different thing
For each sufferer & an internal fight in your own mind.

[IroNat]

My nephew by marriage blew his brains out at age 26 over a woman who jilted him.

Kid was on a losing track in life and she put him over the edge.

It could have all been different if he made better choices.

Some people just keep making bad decisions and dig a deeper hole.  They don't learn from mistakes.

[Taffin]

Haha no problem, iron brother. It’s not that important but HTH!

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=663216.0

OK, now I get it!   

[Taffin]

AMA
HTH
IRL

WTF

Bro...

OMG - LOL

[rocket]

Lots of assumptions here howabout we try to be respectful about it.

We do not know the state he was in, maybe he did seek out help (that doesnt come with a guarantee that it will work).

You cannot expect somebody to be himself when he's not himself.

I can think of quite a few situations where people act the way they do because the situation they are in leaves no other alternatives.

I'm thinking somebody who kill himself may be in mental state and such severe pain that they'll do anything just to make it stop.

This is a good post.

I've been down that hole and you're spot on in everything you said there.

What I really like about what you said is that you don't sound like you've been there, yet, you're able to not write a fuckwit post about what he should have been doing.  Congratulations.  You must have a well formed ability to comprehend being in someone else's shoes.

I'm glad for the fellow.  Maybe he could have eventually got out of his hole, maybe not.  Either way, he got to peace.

[Van_Bilderass]

He must have been in tremendous pain, that seems certain. I doubt he thought he wanted to hurt his family or wanted to take the easy way out.

Lots of retards commenting, like this fool

[joswift]

I was in a bad place myself last year, looking back I really had no reason to be, I kept a journal of how I felt every day, when I look back and read it now I cant even believe I wrote some of the things I wrote

Depression is a strange beast..

[harmankardon1]

Bonac shouldn't even address that shit...^

[Ron]

From Aaron Singerman and Eric Hart - donating $25K to the Luke's children

When I first spoke with @lukesandoe I was impressed with his professionalism, sincerity, and his attitude. He didn’t tell me how great he was, or how huge a difference he was going to make for @redcon1 - instead he asked me to let him PROVE how valuable he would be. He wanted to show me that he could be of value before he asked me for anything significant. I always remember that first conversation and use it as an example of how to be. Prove your worth, THEN ask.

Luke told me many times how he didn’t want to disappoint me, and how it was important to him that i felt like he did a good job. I never got a chance to tell him just how good a job he did. Everyone at the office, including me, loved Luke, and not only felt proud of him but we were proud to have him on the team. Please watch this video and honor Luke with remembering him fondly. I am a believer that you only truly die when no one remembers you, and speaks about you with kindness and revery. Luke’s legacy is even bigger than he was, and he will live on through us for generations.

@redcon1 has decided to donate $25,000 to the children of @lukesandoe - please support the @fouadabiad @squatlikechow go fund me and help his family! http://gf.me/u/xz8s8i

https://www.facebook.com/aaron.singerman/videos/10163698998845089/?t=0

[6 Reps]

 

[Coach is Back!]

From Aaron Singerman and Eric Hart - donating $25K to the Luke's children

When I first spoke with @lukesandoe I was impressed with his professionalism, sincerity, and his attitude. He didn’t tell me how great he was, or how huge a difference he was going to make for @redcon1 - instead he asked me to let him PROVE how valuable he would be. He wanted to show me that he could be of value before he asked me for anything significant. I always remember that first conversation and use it as an example of how to be. Prove your worth, THEN ask.

Luke told me many times how he didn’t want to disappoint me, and how it was important to him that i felt like he did a good job. I never got a chance to tell him just how good a job he did. Everyone at the office, including me, loved Luke, and not only felt proud of him but we were proud to have him on the team. Please watch this video and honor Luke with remembering him fondly. I am a believer that you only truly die when no one remembers you, and speaks about you with kindness and revery. Luke’s legacy is even bigger than he was, and he will live on through us for generations.

@redcon1 has decided to donate $25,000 to the children of @lukesandoe - please support the @fouadabiad @squatlikechow go fund me and help his family! http://gf.me/u/xz8s8i

https://www.facebook.com/aaron.singerman/videos/10163698998845089/?t=0

Thats a hell of a gesture by Aaron. Props

[Matt]

Robin Willians did not have Parkinson’s .

He was diagnosed with Lewy Body Dementia.

I didn't know that.  I had read other information at the time:

https://time.com/3114167/michael-j-fox-stunned-to-hear-about-robin-williams-parkinsons-diagnosis
https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/michael-fox-stunned-robin-williams-parkinsons-diagnosis/story?id=24988230
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michael-j-fox-stunned-by-robin-williams-parkinsons-disease-diagnosis
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/michael-j-fox-stunned-to-learn-friend-robin-williams-had-parkinsons-disease-9670680.html
https://www.businessinsider.com/michael-j-fox-stunned-by-robin-williams-parkinsons-2014-8
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/michael-j-fox-robin-williams-parkinsons-disease_n_5680910

[SF1900]

I didn't know that.  I had read other information at the time:

https://time.com/3114167/michael-j-fox-stunned-to-hear-about-robin-williams-parkinsons-diagnosis
https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/michael-fox-stunned-robin-williams-parkinsons-diagnosis/story?id=24988230
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michael-j-fox-stunned-by-robin-williams-parkinsons-disease-diagnosis
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/michael-j-fox-stunned-to-learn-friend-robin-williams-had-parkinsons-disease-9670680.html
https://www.businessinsider.com/michael-j-fox-stunned-by-robin-williams-parkinsons-2014-8
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/michael-j-fox-robin-williams-parkinsons-disease_n_5680910

An autopsy of his brain revealed it was Lewy Body Dementia:

"In the months before his death, Robin Williams was besieged by paranoia and so confused he couldn’t remember his lines while filming a movie, as his brain was ambushed by what doctors later identified as an unusually severe case of Lewy body dementia.

Robin was losing his mind and he was aware of it. Can you imagine the pain he felt as he experienced himself disintegrating?” the actor’s widow, Susan Schneider Williams, wrote in a wrenching editorial published this week in the journal Neurology."

"We all knew Robin Williams. From Mork and Mindy to the Dead Poet's Society and Mrs. Doubtfire, he was both a great dramatic and comedic actor who also invaded our lives with frenetic late night television interviews. He died in an unexpected and sad way. And only then did we find that he suffered from Lewy Body dementia (LBD). After many months, his widow Susan Williams broke her silence to explain how his disease affected both their lives."

"Although actor Robin Williams died by suicide, the underlying cause of his death was a rare brain disease called Lewy body dementia, according to his widow. The disease caused Williams to experience hallucinations and other debilitating neurological symptoms, including depression, Susan Schneider Williams, widow of the late actor, told People magazine in a recent interview. An autopsy released in 2014 confirmed that the actor had the disease, but this is the first time that his condition has been discussed in detail."

"Williams was diagnosed with Parkinson’s disease a few months before he died; the telltale signs of Lewy body dementia in his brain were not discovered until an autopsy."

"There are two diagnoses of LBD—dementia with Lewy bodies (DLB) and Parkinson's disease dementia. The earliest signs differ but reflect the same biological changes in the brain. Over time, people with dementia with Lewy bodies or Parkinson's disease dementia may develop similar symptoms."

[Body-Buildah]

Thats a hell of a gesture by Aaron. Props

Great gesture. Many supp-company owners wouldn't (and havent) done that.

[TTfit]

Kudos to Singerman for donating $25000 to such a great charity. He's still a sleazebag but even sleazebags do good things from time to time I guess.

[Matt]

An autopsy of his brain revealed it was Lewy Body Dementia:

"In the months before his death, Robin Williams was besieged by paranoia and so confused he couldn’t remember his lines while filming a movie, as his brain was ambushed by what doctors later identified as an unusually severe case of Lewy body dementia.

Robin was losing his mind and he was aware of it. Can you imagine the pain he felt as he experienced himself disintegrating?” the actor’s widow, Susan Schneider Williams, wrote in a wrenching editorial published this week in the journal Neurology."

"We all knew Robin Williams. From Mork and Mindy to the Dead Poet's Society and Mrs. Doubtfire, he was both a great dramatic and comedic actor who also invaded our lives with frenetic late night television interviews. He died in an unexpected and sad way. And only then did we find that he suffered from Lewy Body dementia (LBD). After many months, his widow Susan Williams broke her silence to explain how his disease affected both their lives."

"Although actor Robin Williams died by suicide, the underlying cause of his death was a rare brain disease called Lewy body dementia, according to his widow. The disease caused Williams to experience hallucinations and other debilitating neurological symptoms, including depression, Susan Schneider Williams, widow of the late actor, told People magazine in a recent interview. An autopsy released in 2014 confirmed that the actor had the disease, but this is the first time that his condition has been discussed in detail."

"Williams was diagnosed with Parkinson’s disease a few months before he died; the telltale signs of Lewy body dementia in his brain were not discovered until an autopsy."

"There are two diagnoses of LBD—dementia with Lewy bodies (DLB) and Parkinson's disease dementia. The earliest signs differ but reflect the same biological changes in the brain. Over time, people with dementia with Lewy bodies or Parkinson's disease dementia may develop similar symptoms."

Yes.  Apparently that was the case.

At the time, I had read other information.  When I went to look for that information, I realized that it was widely circulated at the time, as well.