RIP - Luke Sandoe - IFBB Pro

[Flexacon]

I'm average height but do you believe height to be an accomplishment?  How about blue eyes?  Long fingers?

Average height compared to a midget is still a manlet.

[The Scott]

So...Is the subject of this thread still dead?

[Ronnie Rep]

Depression is a real thing

Absofuckinglutely! RIP Luke very sad!

[illuminati]

So...Is the subject of this thread still dead?

Last time they checked he was, Sadly.

[harmankardon1]

This is the very last guy in the world who's opinion and commentary I would take any such interest in. He's a misfit at everything he does and that's the only reason he has any type or notoriety.

Big Lenny is on the same wave as Jason Genova.

A guy as disciplined as Luke Sandoe is no quitter. There was something SEVERELY wrong. It wasn't just someone who gave up. It's someone who's mental functioning was gone.

You're not "weak" if you commit suicide. You are past the point of desperation. And taking your own life can't be easy. It takes some kind of strength to do that. Even if it is brought on by severe mental issues.

There's no strength in killing yourself, the strength is found in pushing through the very very hard times. I have endured a severe painful illness that lasted many months, I couldn't take any pleasure in anything, go anywhere, do anything, I couldn't even breathe or see properly... I endured even when it wasn't looking good, as many of us have.

Abandoning your family, making your children and mother endure and live with your death, it's not strength.

[pellius]

There's no strength in killing yourself, the strength is found in pushing through the very very hard times. I have endured a severe painful illness that lasted many months, I couldn't take any pleasure in anything, go anywhere, do anything, I couldn't even breathe or see properly... I endured even when it wasn't looking good, as many of us have.

Abandoning your family, making your children and mother endure and live with your death, it's not strength.

I do think that if there comes a time in your life where you are simply a burden to your family and friends. When you require 24-hour care and have to suffer the indignities of not even being able to do the basic things in life like eating, washing, and going to the bathroom on your own; not to mention being a financial burden draining the family resources then I don't think it would be a  dishonorable and cowardly thing to prefer death.

Of course, Luke was nowhere near this state and though I can't put myself in his place it seems hard to justify him taking his own life.

[TTfit]

I do think that if there comes a time in your life where you are simply a burden to your family and friends. When you require 24-hour care and have to suffer the indignities of not even being able to do the basic things in life like eating, washing, and going to the bathroom on your own; not to mention being a financial burden draining the family resources then I don't think it would be a  dishonorable and cowardly thing to prefer death.

Of course, Luke was nowhere near this state and though I can't put myself in his place it seems hard to justify him taking his own life.

The thing to ask though, is do they see it that way? My dad was ill and thought he was a burden to us. This man gave me life. Changed my diapers. Clothed me, sheltered me, fed me and loved me. Taught me how to be independent. He did EVERYTHING for me.

And then when his life got rough he just assumed he was a burden to me and my siblings and hid his health issues from us.

This bothered me to no end because I would have no problem taking him on. No issues, feeding, bathing, cleaning him, etc. He did it to me for 20 years. It is the least I can do for him.

I realize not everyone feels the way I do but often people ARE NOT burdens to others. They just think they are.

[pellius]

The thing to ask though, is do they see it that way? My dad was ill and thought he was a burden to us. This man gave me life. Changed my diapers. Clothed me, sheltered me, fed me and loved me. Taught me how to be independent. He did EVERYTHING for me.

And then when his life got rough he just assumed he was a burden to me and my siblings and hid his health issues from us.

This bothered me to no end because I would have no problem taking him on. No issues, feeding, bathing, cleaning him, etc. He did it to me for 20 years. It is the least I can do for him.

I realize not everyone feels the way I do but often people ARE NOT burdens to others. They just think they are.

That is a good point but also what about the person suffering? Even if there are some like you, which I think exceptional in this case, I would ask myself what is the point of living? Why does a person want to live? What gives life meaning? Is it just to exist as long as you can no matter what? What if everyday is marked with pain? But, for me, more importantly, is personal dignity. Not being able to go to the bathroom and clean yourself and to have someone spoon feed you like a baby. Is it unreasonable to insist for some quality of life rather than just to exist for the sake of existing?

[harmankardon1]

That is a good point but also what about the person suffering? Even if there are some like you, which I think exceptional in this case, I would ask myself what is the point of living? Why does a person want to live? What gives life meaning? Is it just to exist as long as you can no matter what? What if everyday is marked with pain? But, for me, more importantly, is personal dignity. Not being able to go to the bathroom and clean yourself and to have someone spoon feed you like a baby. Is it unreasonable to insist for some quality of life rather than just to exist for the sake of existing?

100% agree these are the times when suicide is justified...

You can be in so much pain and misery that there is nothing else. The suffering is all you've got day after day, it's hard for people who haven't experienced this or seen someone like this to understand what it is really like. It's not that you feel you are a burden, that was inconsequential for me, it was severe pain and constant distress. "Suffering" is just a word, the real thing is impossible to describe.

If it's an illness where there is no chance of recovery or very severe I do not judge that person deciding to end it. Otherwise it's an inconsiderate, to a degree selfish, thing to do.

[illuminati]

Not B.B. related - iron maiden singer Bruce Dickinson’s wife killed herself on Monday she was 58 & looking at 90million£ divorce settlement - Just shows that when the Minds unbalanced/ Depressed There’s no rhyme or reason going on & if they feel life isn’t worth living it’s often the End.
Such a delicate & complex organ the Brain - Is it due to chemical imbalance that causes the depression or Depression causing the chemical imbalance.

[Humble Narcissist]

Not B.B. related - iron maiden singer Bruce Dickinson’s wife killed herself on Monday she was 58 & looking at 90million£ divorce settlement - Just shows that when the Minds unbalanced/ Depressed There’s no rhyme or reason going on & if they feel life isn’t worth living it’s often the End.
Such a delicate & complex organ the Brain - Is it due to chemical imbalance that causes the depression or Depression causing the chemical imbalance.

Chemical imbalance.

[Flexacon]

Not B.B. related - iron maiden singer Bruce Dickinson’s wife killed herself on Monday she was 58 & looking at 90million£ divorce settlement - Just shows that when the Minds unbalanced/ Depressed There’s no rhyme or reason going on & if they feel life isn’t worth living it’s often the End.
Such a delicate & complex organ the Brain - Is it due to chemical imbalance that causes the depression or Depression causing the chemical imbalance.

You can usually trace things back to heavy use of some kinda mind altering substances. Anything from alcohol to prescription meds or the more obvious party drugs.

[Humble Narcissist]

You can usually trace things back to heavy use of some kinda mind altering substances. Anything from alcohol to prescription meds or the more obvious party drugs.

You can almost always trace things back to lifestyle and mindset.

[SculptedByAesthetics]

  RIP

[prowlermaniac]

Has anyone found out how this happened?  We know it was suicide but how? 

[TTfit]

Has anyone found out how this happened?  We know it was suicide but how?

I'd like to know this too but it won't be revealed. Too many find it disrespectful.

[denarii]

Is it possible a schmoe Epsteined him?

[Flexacon]

Is it possible a schmoe Epsteined him?

More likely he was Jimmy Saviled as a kid and Robin Williamed himself.

[joswift]

More likely he was Jimmy Saviled as a kid and Robin Williamed himself.

I think what did it for Robin Williams was he finally sat down and watched some of his movies..

[Flexacon]

I think what did it for Robin Williams was he finally sat down and watched some of his movies..

Ouch!

Although partially true. Some American humour just doesn't translate well. Never found anything funny about Williams.

[The Scott]

I think what did it for Robin Williams was he finally sat down and watched some of his movies..

I tend to think that since his ex-wives and his current but possibly soon to be ex-wife took everything else, he decided fuck that noise and took his own life.  Can't say I blame him.  You go to divorce court seeking justice and find Just Us.  Against the man.  FTN.

[illuminati]

I tend to think that since his ex-wives and his current but possibly soon to be ex-wife took everything else, he decided fuck that noise and took his own life.  Can't say I blame him.  You go to divorce court seeking justice and find Just Us.  Against the man.  FTN.

Well said Scott - The madness about that is it was Men ( I use that term in its loosest possible  sense) that have made so unfair & Biased against
The Husbands. More Loony Leftists Stupidity.

[Flexacon]

I tend to think that since his ex-wives and his current but possibly soon to be ex-wife took everything else, he decided fuck that noise and took his own life.  Can't say I blame him.  You go to divorce court seeking justice and find Just Us.  Against the man.  FTN.

If he didn't learn after his first divorce then he only really has himself to blame..

[Taffin]

I think what did it for Robin Williams was he finally sat down and watched some of his movies..

Bro...











 

[Humble Narcissist]

If he didn't learn after his first divorce then he only really has himself to blame..

Some people don't learn from mistakes.  After being ass raped by 2 ex's he decided to get married again.