Paul Dilette - Freak

[pellius]

Pellius teaches us a lesson about the internet. You seldom can prove anything positive or negative on the internet. So what to do? Well, keep posting your story over and over to the bitter end. Some people will believe you!

As Goodrum demonstrates: online you can be anyone you want. Who can prove otherwise? What is the test of truth here? That is why so many can claim to be whatever they want. 8 inches, $60,000 in the bank, own several cars, etc.

You're one of the resident bbing historians. Have you ever heard that it was really Carlos Rodriguez that got the first perfect 300 point score and not Mentzer? If it was Carlos why is there no mention of it in the official records and no mention of it in any of Carlos' biography? It's stated as such all throughout the net for Mentzer. It even mentions his perfect 300 score at the 1979 Olympia in which he won his class but loss the overall to Zane.

[pellius]

New York City!!
you backed down
using a girl friend as an excuse
using money as an excuse
using Joe Valentino as an excuse
Now Gracie stories & gimmick Accounts
you Lose creepy old Pest! 🤭

Nope. Every claim you have just made has been disproved. You just made it up. Gracies stories? I just proved it is Gracie facts.  That's why nobody believes anything you say. You have zero credibility. Just and anonymous coward hiding behind a computer screen talking to yourself.

[pellius]

you're a weird individual, how do you cope in life acting so strangly

He is a weird little man. Fortunately, he still has his mother to take care of him and give him his meds so he doesn't drown himself in the toilet or poke his eyes out with a fork.

[pellius]

Ahha Look who appears The Village Idiot Back for some more abuse & ridicule
Well done Boy keep it up ,  It’s Great having a idiot Like you to poke fun at. 👍🏻

LOL! I think he kind of enjoys being the board's whipping boy. At least he's getting attention that he never gets in real life except for his late night visits by his uncle.

[Grape Ape]

They just lifted her ban. Once she dusts herself off Roast Beef/Escrima won't last much longer.

Not the same guy.

[Vince B]

You're one of the resident bbing historians. Have you ever heard that it was really Carlos Rodriguez that got the first perfect 300 point score and not Mentzer? If it was Carlos why is there no mention of it in the official records and no mention of it in any of Carlos' biography? It's stated as such all throughout the net for Mentzer. It even mentions his perfect 300 score at the 1979 Olympia in which he won his class but loss the overall to Zane.

The main fact here is that Mike used that "perfect score" to make it sound like he had the perfect physique. Today few care what Carlos scored. I would have to dig into my old magazines to find out what happened.

[Vince B]

We need a rest from this squabble!

Look at these guys with their modified guitars. Makes me appreciate my guitars.

[pellius]

The main fact here is that Mike used that "perfect score" to make it sound like he had the perfect physique. Today few care what Carlos scored. I would have to dig into my old magazines to find out what happened.

Actually, I don't remember Mike ever mentioning his perfect score in that context. The only one who thought he had a perfect physique that day were the judges. It is odd that he also got a perfect score in the heavyweight division at the '79 Mr. O but still lost to Zane. A bigger perfect physique losese to a flawed smaller physique. I would have thought that with all else being equal the bigger man should always win.

[Vince B]

Actually, I don't remember Mike ever mentioning his perfect score in that context. The only one who thought he had a perfect physique that day were the judges. It is odd that he also got a perfect score in the heavyweight division at the '79 Mr. O but still lost to Zane. A bigger perfect physique loses to a flawed smaller physique. I would have thought that with all else being equal the bigger man should always win.

We have to remember that the Weiders had control of the IFBB. Bev Francis never won the Ms Olympia. What Joe found was Arnold on the cover sold more magazines than Sergio on the cover. Result was Sergio not on many covers and eventually discarded from the Olympia. We know that Joe had Mike write for his magazines. Btw, Robby Robinson never won the Olympia even with his fantastic physique. Robbie ran into trouble with Joe and that could be a factor why Zane won. So Frank got lucky for whatever reasons were around in those days. He also was used on covers and appealed to both men and women whereas the bigger guys had a smaller following.

I honestly think Frank was overrated. Frank was a perfectionist re bodybuilding and posing so got rewarded after Arnold retired in 1975. Mike and his brother Ray never reached the top (Mr Olympia) in the IFBB but both tried hard to do so.
That 300 score was always mentioned when talking about Mike. I think John Grimek was one of the first to get a perfect score in the Mr America. He dominated so much they limited winning that title to one time.

[pellius]

We have to remember that the Weiders had control of the IFBB. Bev Francis never won the Ms Olympia. What Joe found was Arnold on the cover sold more magazines than Sergio on the cover. Result was Sergio not on many covers and eventually discarded from the Olympia. We know that Joe had Mike write for his magazines. Btw, Robby Robinson never won the Olympia even with his fantastic physique. Robbie ran into trouble with Joe and that could be a factor why Zane won. So Frank got lucky for whatever reasons were around in those days. He also was used on covers and appealed to both men and women whereas the bigger guys had a smaller following.

I honestly think Frank was overrated. Frank was a perfectionist re bodybuilding and posing so got rewarded after Arnold retired in 1975. Mike and his brother Ray never reached the top (Mr Olympia) in the IFBB but both tried hard to do so.
That 300 score was always mentioned when talking about Mike. I think John Grimek was one of the first to get a perfect score in the Mr America. He dominated so much they limited winning that title to one time.

You don't think Mike was part of the top of the top in bbing? He won his class at the '79 Olympia and was in the top five in the 1980. He was very popular and a crowd favorite and I think he would have been consistently in the top five, if not won, the Mr. Olympia. Being top five in the world puts you on the top of the top.

[Vince B]

You don't think Mike was part of the top of the top in bbing? He won his class at the '79 Olympia and was in the top five in the 1980. He was very popular and a crowd favorite and I think he would have been consistently in the top five, if not won, the Mr. Olympia. Being top five in the world puts you on the top of the top.

Imagine how Mike felt in 1980? The dream he had evaporated that day. All his philosophy crumbled into a heap.

Sure, Mike might have won several Olympias had he come back better than ever the next two years. He was betrayed by the world. It worked by trickery and influence instead of logic and facts.

Arnold knew the promoter and all the judges. The rest is history. Mike didn't want to be part of this sordid pageantry any longer.

[pellius]

Imagine how Mike felt in 1980? The dream he had evaporated that day. All his philosophy crumbled into a heap.

Sure, Mike might have won several Olympias had he come back better than ever the next two years. He was betrayed by the world. It worked by trickery and influence instead of logic and facts.

Arnold knew the promoter and all the judges. The rest is history. Mike didn't want to be part of this sordid pageantry any longer.

I think Mike definitely had the potential to beat Dickerson and Samir. I also want to reemphaze the point that Mike never said that he should have won in 1980. He just said that he didn't think it should have been Arnold.

Yes, I can understand how one must feel devoting your life to something only to come up short due to politics or corruption. I believe that Danny Padilla and Tom Platz suffered a far greater injustice. Either one of these guys should have been the winner and it was obvious by what they presented on stage that they suffered and sacrificed like never before. They both brought a dramatically new and improve packaged which is so hard to do at that level. Just like what Jay brought in 2009.

It is a sad disappointment that Mentzer let this one defeat affect him so profoundly. I would have thought he had a stronger will than that.

[TheGreatOak]

Another recent asinine claim without proof that bigbychoice made to prove a nonexistent point. How can you trust anything this guy says. Just spouts off opinions without proof and evidence even when it is easily checked and disproved. Even when pointed out that he is obviously and provably wrong he isn't man enough to own up to it. The same guy who has to keep reminding us that he is a "real man."

The truth.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4oaht6
Scroll to 3:30 minutes.

Pelllius once again telling the truth and actually backing up what he says.

To be fair, Lou says something briefly before Matty also says something. It's only after those two brief words that Lou says "let me complete a full rep."

It's possible what he briefly said was "don't" before Matty interrupted and then he just continued with what he was saying. Personally, I feel he was saying for Matty to let him complete a full rep before offering assistance (spotting, etc) but that's just my opinion. Maybe an audio tech can disect the brief word or two between Louie and Matty before he starts the set.

[Humble Narcissist]

Imagine how Mike felt in 1980? The dream he had evaporated that day. All his philosophy crumbled into a heap.

Sure, Mike might have won several Olympias had he come back better than ever the next two years. He was betrayed by the world. It worked by trickery and influence instead of logic and facts.

Arnold knew the promoter and all the judges. The rest is history. Mike didn't want to be part of this sordid pageantry any longer.

Mike was not even close to being the best in 1980.  He dieted down too much to beat Zane who he had lost to the year before.  Had he come in bigger and fuller who knows.  I have never seen a pic from the 80 Olympia that shows Mike looking the best in the lineup.  He was delusional if he thought he should have won it but I think he was more pissed that Arnold won it.

[pellius]

To be fair, Lou says something briefly before Matty also says something. It's only after those two brief words that Lou says "let me complete a full rep."

It's possible what he briefly said was "don't" before Matty interrupted and then he just continued with what he was saying. Personally, I feel he was saying for Matty to let him complete a full rep before offering assistance (spotting, etc) but that's just my opinion. Maybe an audio tech can disect the brief word or two between Louie and Matty before he starts the set.

I listened to it several times. It was pretty clear to me. Crystal clear. Fortunately, we live in the internet age and these things are very easily verifiable. The entire script is online. Unfortunately they don't have page numbers so you have to scroll through the whole thing to find this scene. Fortunately I've seen this movie so many times that it was relatively easy isolated that scene as I scrolled through the script.


http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/p/pumping-iron-script-transcript-arnold.html


And I would say that from that moment on
when he first saw Arnold...
he wanted to be Mr. Olympia.

It was in his eye, in his heart,
and in his mind.
And it became part of his entire body.

Okay.

-Right, let me complete a full rep.

-Okay.

-One.

-Right.

-Two.

-Right.

Up!

Five.

Six.

Seven.

Eight.

Nine.

-Okay, Dad.

-Okay, come on.

Up, up come on.

Make it harder. All right.

Come on. Come on. Come on.

All the way.

All right. All right. All right.

-That was easy.

-Easy? You do it.

[pellius]

Mike was not even close to being the best in 1980.  He dieted down too much to beat Zane who he had lost to the year before.  Had he come in bigger and fuller who knows.  I have never seen a pic from the 80 Olympia that shows Mike looking the best in the lineup.  He was delusional if he thought he should have won it but I think he was more pissed that Arnold won it.

Again, as I just said in a couple of posts ago, Mike never said he felt he should have won. He just believed that Arnold shouldn't have won and the show was fixed.

[bigbychoices]

           I posted a screen shot from a muscle builder/power  muscle and fitness magazine  about carlos getting a 300 score to one of the many many arguments that mr know it all has on here. Carlos got it before mike did but Mr perfect still argued with me as he did not believe it. I dont have the time nor do i care to search for it again . Im sure someone who has no life ( like the hero on here) can go back and find it.  And yes grimek also got a 300 but it wasnt in "international "competition like carlos.  Thats why mentzer always would say "the first in international "competition. He knew grimek followers would prove him wrong asap !  But carlos  no one really cared.  And getting a perfect score really means nothing.  Its just a persons opinion.  Funny how mike thought the judges were fine to give him a 300 but were "fixed" to give arnold the win?  smh.   

                                                After arnold retired in 75 weider needed a way to sell more maga and supplements.  He needed a bodyy that would appeal to the masses. Someone that the average guy would say hey i can look like that. And at that time women would find attractive. before that most women were put off by guys arnolds size. So he had zane winning. A small but nicely developed body.  Plus after arnold they didnt have any mass monsters. Robby was big but he wasnt marketable. ( plus he had issues with joe) waller wasnt gonna cut it either. There really wasnt anyone  else but zane.  Then when mike came along joe was actually grooming mike to be his next poster boy. he was always praising him and saying good things and stuff. Then they had a falling out . ( mike didnt want to endorse "supplements" anymore)  Mike actually started to believe in the made up hype about how good he was. It was just to sell magz and products BUT mike really started to believe it. His mind was getting further and further into mental despair. he would bash arnold at every chance he got ( arnold was joes golden ticket) He even was saying all the other ways to train was wrong ( and joe had the trainer of champions courses too) and heavy duty was NOT a part of joes courses ( the weider principles) . So basically mike got to big for his britches ( and thought he was always right ( hmm sounds like someone else on here doesnt it? ) and needed a dose of reality. And he got it. The rest is history.
                   

[Humble Narcissist]

Again, as I just said in a couple of posts ago, Mike never said he felt he should have won. He just believed that Arnold shouldn't have won and the show was fixed.

That's why I mentioned it but the Mentzer fans on Youtube insist he won it.

[johnny1]

We have to remember that the Weiders had control of the IFBB. Bev Francis never won the Ms Olympia. What Joe found was Arnold on the cover sold more magazines than Sergio on the cover. Result was Sergio not on many covers and eventually discarded from the Olympia. We know that Joe had Mike write for his magazines. Btw, Robby Robinson never won the Olympia even with his fantastic physique. Robbie ran into trouble with Joe and that could be a factor why Zane won. So Frank got lucky for whatever reasons were around in those days. He also was used on covers and appealed to both men and women whereas the bigger guys had a smaller following.

I honestly think Frank was overrated. Frank was a perfectionist re bodybuilding and posing so got rewarded after Arnold retired in 1975. Mike and his brother Ray never reached the top (Mr Olympia) in the IFBB but both tried hard to do so.
That 300 score was always mentioned when talking about Mike. I think John Grimek was one of the first to get a perfect score in the Mr America. He dominated so much they limited winning that title to one time.

Im not so sure Frank Zane got lucky Vince in regards too being overrated perhaps sometimes being really persistent wins out over just being really good, looking @ the era after Arnold retiring the title was up for grabs after 1975, Franco won his 1st Olympia after several attempts and then who was legitimately in the running after 1976?

A case can be made for Robby Robinson who had a fantastic physique however (from what footage exsists) photos etc his overall conditioning wasn’t quiet there in comparison too Zane, other than Robby who had that complete physique? Mike Mentzer as good as he was tried I think what was it 2 times too win the Olympia then “gave up” his condition @ the 1979 Olympia wasn’t his best and I don’t think his brother Ray even competed in a Mr Olympia but I could be wrong

When you say frank was overrated, in what context do you mean in regards too his competition of that timeframe and the argument there were others that should of beaten Zane in between 1977-1979

[pellius]

           I posted a screen shot from a muscle builder/power  muscle and fitness magazine  about carlos getting a 300 score to one of the many many arguments that mr know it all has on here. Carlos got it before mike did but Mr perfect still argued with me as he did not believe it. I dont have the time nor do i care to search for it again . Im sure someone who has no life ( like the hero on here) can go back and find it.  And yes grimek also got a 300 but it wasnt in "international "competition like carlos.  Thats why mentzer always would say "the first in international "competition. He knew grimek followers would prove him wrong asap !  But carlos  no one really cared.  And getting a perfect score really means nothing.  Its just a persons opinion.  Funny how mike thought the judges were fine to give him a 300 but were "fixed" to give arnold the win?  smh.   

                                                After arnold retired in 75 weider needed a way to sell more maga and supplements.  He needed a bodyy that would appeal to the masses. Someone that the average guy would say hey i can look like that. And at that time women would find attractive. before that most women were put off by guys arnolds size. So he had zane winning. A small but nicely developed body.  Plus after arnold they didnt have any mass monsters. Robby was big but he wasnt marketable. ( plus he had issues with joe) waller wasnt gonna cut it either. There really wasnt anyone  else but zane.  Then when mike came along joe was actually grooming mike to be his next poster boy. he was always praising him and saying good things and stuff. Then they had a falling out . ( mike didnt want to endorse "supplements" anymore)  Mike actually started to believe in the made up hype about how good he was. It was just to sell magz and products BUT mike really started to believe it. His mind was getting further and further into mental despair. he would bash arnold at every chance he got ( arnold was joes golden ticket) He even was saying all the other ways to train was wrong ( and joe had the trainer of champions courses too) and heavy duty was NOT a part of joes courses ( the weider principles) . So basically mike got to big for his britches ( and thought he was always right ( hmm sounds like someone else on here doesnt it? ) and needed a dose of reality. And he got it. The rest is history.
                 

Have you ever kept your word on anything? Isn't one of the hallmarks of a man, a real man, that you have to keep reminding us that you are, keeping your word?

Personally, I don't care if you respond or not. I like making you look like a fool and a coward. If you want to respond just respond. If you don't then don't. No bullshit and game playing. And if you want to address me just address me directly like a man. What is this always referring to me as a "certain someone"? What a fat, cowardly, little bitch you are. What kind of phag are you?

       
"im done.   i dont have time for this constant responding to a no body like you. im a man."

 "this is supposed to be a post about paul dilette.  So lets keep it on topic. no one wants to hear the constant ranting from a certain someone who thinks hes always right"

"so go ahead and respond with your typical tuff guy name calling responses. im not gonna respond. im a man."

"so go ahead and start badmouthing everything i wrote even down to my writting. im not gonna respond back. im a man. a real man. not a keyboard tuff guy. and no i wont show pics of myself so some of you fags can jack off."

[pellius]

           I posted a screen shot from a muscle builder/power  muscle and fitness magazine  about carlos getting a 300 score to one of the many many arguments that mr know it all has on here. Carlos got it before mike did but Mr perfect still argued with me as he did not believe it. I dont have the time nor do i care to search for it again . Im sure someone who has no life ( like the hero on here) can go back and find it.  And yes grimek also got a 300 but it wasnt in "international "competition like carlos.  Thats why mentzer always would say "the first in international "competition. He knew grimek followers would prove him wrong asap !  But carlos  no one really cared.  And getting a perfect score really means nothing.  Its just a persons opinion.  Funny how mike thought the judges were fine to give him a 300 but were "fixed" to give arnold the win?  smh.   

                                                After arnold retired in 75 weider needed a way to sell more maga and supplements.  He needed a bodyy that would appeal to the masses. Someone that the average guy would say hey i can look like that. And at that time women would find attractive. before that most women were put off by guys arnolds size. So he had zane winning. A small but nicely developed body.  Plus after arnold they didnt have any mass monsters. Robby was big but he wasnt marketable. ( plus he had issues with joe) waller wasnt gonna cut it either. There really wasnt anyone  else but zane.  Then when mike came along joe was actually grooming mike to be his next poster boy. he was always praising him and saying good things and stuff. Then they had a falling out . ( mike didnt want to endorse "supplements" anymore)  Mike actually started to believe in the made up hype about how good he was. It was just to sell magz and products BUT mike really started to believe it. His mind was getting further and further into mental despair. he would bash arnold at every chance he got ( arnold was joes golden ticket) He even was saying all the other ways to train was wrong ( and joe had the trainer of champions courses too) and heavy duty was NOT a part of joes courses ( the weider principles) . So basically mike got to big for his britches ( and thought he was always right ( hmm sounds like someone else on here doesnt it? ) and needed a dose of reality. And he got it. The rest is history.
                 

You posted a screen shot but don't have the time to find it yet you have time to write all these lower-case, semi-literate, meltdowns?

You do know when you take a screen shot it is stored in your files? Did you immediately go and erase it after taking a screen shot? Running out of crucial disk space on your ten year old laptop?

Why is it so hard to find any reference to Carlos Rodriguez getting a perfect 300 score? You'd think it would be big news in bbing. Why can't I find it anywhere? Maybe he did. What was the date? But to imply that I am making up shit about Mike being the first to score a perfect score is simply ridiculous. It's all over the net. Nothing about Carlos. Nothing you can prove. But that is typical with you. Shooting off your fat pie hole and unable to back up your word. "Back up your word." Remember that when you once again want to claim you are a real man.

You say I'm full of shit. Everything I say is wrong. But the facts -- the facts! prove otherwise. That's why you are so angry and obsessed with me. I expose you for the cowardly, fat, slob that you are.

I don't just talk. I back up what I say. You, like your cowardly brethen, Escrima, just talk. A bag of hot air. Tell me again what a "man" you are? A "real man." More like another one of Pellius' bitches. Now respond to this, bitch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Mentzer#:~:text=Universe%20in%20N%C3%AEmes%2C%20France%2C%20placing,after%20that%201978%20Universe%20win.

In 1978, Mentzer won the Mr. Universe in Acapulco, Mexico with the first and only perfect 300 score.

[pellius]

That's why I mentioned it but the Mentzer fans on Youtube insist he won it.

Well of course. That's why they are Mentzer fans. I thought Mentzer should have won. Certainly not Arnold. I was never a fan of Chris Dickerson's physique. And although I liked Frank Zane's build I felt he was too small to be a Mr. Olympia. Standing next to the thickly muscled Mentzer made Zane look skinny. I also never cared much for Boyer Cole's physique. He didn't have any quad sweep and had an odd condition with his abs. His waist was flat but no ab muscle. Maybe he should have taken a cue from Mentzer and train abs like any other bodypart and use progressive resistance. To make the ab muscle stronger, larger, and more developed. He had no visible ab muscle but just some kind of crease that ran across his waist just above his belly button.

John Meadows had this problem due to a surgery he had. I remember Meadows had a very flat, fat-free, waist line following surgery but no ab muscle. He was able to rectify that. But Meadows is a smart guy and probably did a lot of experimenting before he found something that worked.

Anyway, so in my subjective personal opinion, Mike was better than Dickerson, Zane, and Boyer -- all who placed ahead or equal to him (Boyer) so that would put him at first place by process of elimination.

[TheGreatOak]

Well of course. That's why they are Mentzer fans. I thought Mentzer should have won. Certainly not Arnold. I was never a fan of Chris Dickerson's physique. And although I liked Frank Zane's build I felt he was too small to be a Mr. Olympia. Standing next to the thickly muscled Mentzer made Zane look skinny. I also never cared much for Boyer Cole's physique. He didn't have any quad sweep and had an odd condition with his abs. His waist was flat but no ab muscle. Maybe he should have taken a cue from Mentzer and train abs like any other bodypart and use progressive resistance. To make the ab muscle stronger, larger, and more developed. He had no visible ab muscle but just some kind of crease that ran across his waist just above his belly button.

In many photos, Boyer does have that flat look to his abs, with only a hint of abs visible underneath a contest-ready physique. In some rare photos, he does display great ab development, like the one below. It's possible that he just posed a certain way, to keep his abs nice and tight, rather than pushing them out. That's typical of the era he grew up in, where a tight core/waist was critical to symmetry and flow.

[Van_Bilderass]

I don't know but Mike looked pretty ordinary at the 1980 Olympia to me, these days if someone with that body claimed natural "everybody" would believe it no problem. I would think Mike had more potential than that. From what I remember about his diet it was woefully inadequate with what we know today. Way underdosed on protein. I seem to remember him saying if somebody was building muscle at the fastest rate possible they would only need a bite out of an apple to cover the extra energy needed for growth. It doesn't quite work like that - but knowledge has increased since his time.

[Van_Bilderass]

In many photos, Boyer does have that flat look to his abs, with only a hint of abs visible underneath a contest-ready physique. In some rare photos, he does display great ab development, like the one below. It's possible that he just posed a certain way, to keep his abs nice and tight, rather than pushing them out. That's typical of the era he grew up in, where a tight core/waist was critical to symmetry and flow.

I'm sure he would claim he was going for that look, they all claim that they are consciously aiming at a certain look. SLike small guys who claim they aren't big because they train for "symmetry". Or Lee Priest always complaining about glutes being judged. Well of course he didn't like it since he couldn't get the ripped glutes.