Covid 19 Vaccines - Should you received it or be forced to?

[Zillotch]

download position paper pdf at bottom:

https://www.americasfrontlinedoctors.com/americas-frontline-doctors-urge-opposition-to-experimental-vaccine-mandates-prescribe-caution-more-transparency/

[oldtimer1]

Some people have to take off their aluminum foil hats. The best labs in the world created these vaccines.

[Zillotch]

The best labs in the world created these vaccines.

lol... the very best, actually

u r dumb, blind, and have no idea what u r doing... aside from being a willingly ignorant guinea pig and attempting to lead others astray.

[residue]

Very sad if that happens. Going to my favorite Italian restaurant for take out today. Really pissed if that one goes down too. Italian owned and not a phony Italian restaurant like I've seen in the south.

how many of those places are more than 5 years old? 10? it happens, newark is a massive hub for portuguese and brazilians, new authentic restaurants will open

[harmankardon1]

It has more testing than many vaccines you already have taken. I got the vaccine yesterday. When I had  the vaccine a doctor hoovered over me for 15 minutes for an allergic reaction. He said are you feeling okay?  Told him, " I feel nothing."
 According to studies it has less side effects than the shingle vaccine. I really feel absolutely nothing. My shoulder isn't sore either. Drinking some whisky today and I feel fine.

Just because one person gets something and feels fine a day afterwards doesn't mean there are no risks..... 

The next person can just as quickly have a severe reaction... Drs don't normally hover nervously over people who get a vaccine lol... Some serious stupidity here, though I'm not surprixsed you do believe mike O'hern is natural.

[harmankardon1]

Some people have to take off their aluminum foil hats. The best labs in the world created these vaccines.

Lol you are a moron,

[Zillotch]

https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2020060606

[Matt]

Some people have to take off their aluminum foil hats. The best labs in the world created these vaccines.

oldtimer1 - You are correct - and with billions of dollars to do so.  But there are legitimate concerns about the vaccines:

[1] Covid-19 has a 99.7% survival rate for people under 70.  In Canada, as of 2020-09-23, only 26 Canadians under age 40 [my age demographic] had died of COVID, out of a population of over 18 million Canadians in that age range [REF: PHAC].  Why would I take a vaccine for a virus that I'm virtually assured to survive?  I have a strong immune system, and I want to keep it that way.  I don't need a vaccine to save me from a virus I'm virtually guaranteed to survive.

[2] The long-term effects of the Covid-19 vaccines are unknown - and are inherently unknowable at the current time.  It typically takes 10-15 years to develop vaccines, and this one went from development to administration in under nine months.  In Canada, our Minister of Health [who has ZERO medical background] stated that the vaccine was developed quickly because pharmaceutical companies were given permission overlap steps in the traditional regulatory process.  No big deal, right...?  Well...if these regulatory steps can be overlapped - why have standards in place to begin with? 

[3] Pfizer has been granted legal indemnity against liability over any illness or injury caused by its vaccine.  That doesn't exactly increase confidence:

UK: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-pfizer-vaccine-legal-indemnity-safety-ministers-b1765124.html
USA: https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2020/08/14/579150.htm
Canada: https://globalnews.ca/news/7521148/coronavirus-vaccine-safety-liability-government-anand-pfizer

Ditto for AstraZeneca:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-astrazeneca-results-vaccine-liability-idUSKCN24V2EN

[4] Pfizer's CEO doesn't want to get the vaccine yet, because he doesn't want to cut in line, preventing more vulnerable people from receiving their rushed, liability-exempt vaccine first. 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/14/pfizers-ceo-hasnt-gotten-his-covid-vaccine-yet-saying-he-doesnt-want-to-cut-in-line.html

[5] Preliminary claims of the effectiveness of one dose of the Pfizer vaccine show results as high as 80-90%.  So why would any person [aside from at-risk populations] take a second dose - that offers a negligent increase in efficacy, and potentially far more side effects?:

https://www.wbur.org/commonhealth/2020/12/18/coronavirus-vaccine-single-dose-debate

Why would I take two doses [or even one dose] of a vaccine that went from development to public rollout in under nine months for a virus that has thus far killed only 26 out of over 18,000,000 Canadians in my age demographic after being in my country for almost a year?  Why would I tow the line of the same government that ignored myself and many others who suggested a total shutdown of the borders was the only way to deal with COVID in its preliminary stages, until more data could be gathered, to make a rational determination of how to proceed?  Instead, we were shouted down as "racist" and "xenophobic", and NOW LOOK - we have a global pandemic on our hands that has cost the global economy over $10 TRILLION, while the virus continues to spread at a rate that makes me wonder if the measures in place are doing anything at all aside from making people depressed - or worse.

This is awful - and by no means, the only example:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/facing-another-retirement-home-lockdown-90-year-old-chooses-medically-assisted-death-1.5197140

And expect much more of this, as "Just two weeks to flatten the curve!" [Day 290] continues on with no end in sight...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7177120

So for these reasons, I will NOT be getting the COVID vaccine.  If you are so concerned about COVID, how about you can take the vaccine for me?  Both doses, please.

As for the rest of us - not all of us live in fear over a virus that has a near 100% survival rate for healthy people under 70.

[Humble Narcissist]

Matt, you should become an author.  You could churn out a novel a week.

[Matt]

Matt, you should become an author.  You could churn out a novel a week.

It's funny you said that - with Big Tech censoring, deleting, and straight up cancelling masses of content creators, I decided to backup everything I post on Facebook.  I counted how many words I wrote in October: 303,249.  At first I thought...   And then I thought...

At ~300 words per page, I write the equivalent of 1,000 pages a month - that's 2x 500p novels at 300 words per page.

So I decided to do exactly that - start writing a novel.  After nine hours, I was over 16,000 words in - 54 standard-sized novel pages.

The novel is about a cold case detective whose life goal is to close just one historic missing and/or murdered [exploited] child case - as those are the cases most near and dear to his heart, and to provide closure to the grieving parents.

The novel is going well so far.  Well...considering I've only worked on it over a period of two days, and in that I am over 10% of the way to completing it.

I'm not claiming to be as creative as Stephen King [!!] [autistics are notoriously NOT creative], but I can type just as fast as he could in his prime, and I can tolerate sitting in front of a computer typing for hours, just as he was able to, in his prime. 

So...yeah!  You're right - I really should start writing novels.  If Ontario is going on lock-down for the winter anyway, what better time to give writing a try?  I could churn out 2x 500p novels a month, and do that for six months.  Even if 90% of what I write sucks, there is still a chance that I can write at least one excellent novel in six months if I commit to that pace.

What's the alternative?  Watching YouTube videos until this COVID lock-down BS blows over...assuming it ever does?  Yep - I need to start writing.    It will give me a project to work towards and give meaning to my life in a time when I think things are very bleak, and it will have the added bonus of writing/posting less on Getbig, which will make a handful of Getbiggers very happy. 

Humble - you have inspired me. 

[Humble Narcissist]

Go for it.  There's nothing else to do during these shutdowns other than workout.

[keanu]

It's funny you said that - with Big Tech censoring, deleting, and straight up cancelling masses of content creators, I decided to backup everything I post on Facebook.  I went back to see how many words I wrote in October, and it was 303,249 words.  At first I thought...   And then I thought...

At ~300 words per page, that means I'm writing the equivalent of 1,000 pages a month - that's 2x 500p novels at 300 words per page.

So I decided to do exactly that - start writing a novel.  After nine hours of writing, I was over 16,000 words in - 54 standard-sized novel pages.

Good for you Matt. Overall, you have the skillset to really do great things for humanity that few possess. The biggest waste of talent I've possibly ever seen. I have a friend who has an uncle that works with Elon Musk. At the beginning of each meeting Elon asks,' how can we change the world today?'  How does a person like yourself who has the intelligence and productivity to be a software engineer earning 500K a year in Silicon Valley, or an investment analyst that could logically predict trends 5 years out a make hundreds of millions spend time becoming a PT, collecting rmodest rents, and focusing on the wrongs of diversity (which I mostly agree with you on)?

[Humble Narcissist]

Good for you Matt. Overall, you have the skillset to really do great things for humanity that few possess. The biggest waste of talent I've possibly ever seen. I have a friend who has an uncle that works with Elon Musk. At the beginning of each meeting Elon asks,' how can we change the world today?'  How does a person like yourself who has the intelligence and productivity to be a software engineer earning 500K a year in Silicon Valley, or an investment analyst that could logically predict trends 5 years out a make hundreds of millions spend time becoming a PT, collecting rmodest rents, and focusing on the wrongs of diversity (which I mostly agree with you on)?

Elon really asks "how can we scam more money from the government today?"

[keanu]

Elon made a fortune very early in life and is worth 150 billion. He doesn't need more money or 18 hour work days. He hasn't for a long time. His companies like Open Ai, and Tesla are changing the world. On the surface Tesla is just another shitty electric car company. If you look inside the car, the battery technology Tesla developed is years ahead of anyone else , and will severely cut the use of oil and natural gas over time. Autonomous driving when fully developed will severely limit accidents due to human error. The chips he developed for his vehicles are years ahead of the next best competitor Nvidia (20x the power). These technologies will help make gene editing real cheap so we can edit out diseases like blindness, cancer, diabetes, ect.  Between 2021-2030 you'll see some serious innovations we have never seen before.

[Taffin]

Just because one person gets something and feels fine a day afterwards doesn't mean there are no risks..... 

 

[Humble Narcissist]

Elon made a fortune very early in life and is worth 150 billion. He doesn't need more money or 18 hour work days. He hasn't for a long time. His companies like Open Ai, and Tesla are changing the world. On the surface Tesla is just another shitty electric car company. If you look inside the car, the battery technology Tesla developed is years ahead of anyone else , and will severely cut the use of oil and natural gas over time. Autonomous driving when fully developed will severely limit accidents due to human error. The chips he developed for his vehicles are years ahead of the next best competitor Nvidia (20x the power). These technologies will help make gene editing real cheap so we can edit out diseases like blindness, cancer, diabetes, ect.  Between 2021-2030 you'll see some serious innovations we have never seen before.

That's what Elon tells the government to keep that grant money coming in.

[Zillotch]

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[epic is back]

Most common symptoms for hospitalizations with 'covid-like' symptoms:

Shortness of breath and headaches

Most common symptoms from prolonged use or misuse of faces masks:

Shortness of breath and headaches

I'm sure this is just a coincidence

[Kront0]

I really hope that this vaccine will save us from this plague.

[Matt]

Good for you Matt. Overall, you have the skillset to really do great things for humanity that few possess. The biggest waste of talent I've possibly ever seen. I have a friend who has an uncle that works with Elon Musk. At the beginning of each meeting Elon asks,' how can we change the world today?'  How does a person like yourself who has the intelligence and productivity to be a software engineer earning 500K a year in Silicon Valley, or an investment analyst that could logically predict trends 5 years out a make hundreds of millions spend time becoming a PT, collecting rmodest rents, and focusing on the wrongs of diversity (which I mostly agree with you on)?

You bring up a great question, keanu.  One that I have been thinking about myself lately.

Short of towing the line, becoming politically correct, and more or less having no "incorrect" views...what can I do?

My mom says the only way anything I'm talking about can be accomplished [even something as basic as stopping a second useless lock-down in Ontario] will only happen when enough people stand up on my side.

Admittedly, I'm pessimistic about it.  And to be fair - we all ARE in the greatest recession since The Great Depression.  So this isn't just my imagination.  This can't continue.

[oldtimer1]

All prescription drugs and vaccines carries risk. Just listen to drug commercials on tv. More than half list death as a possible side effect. The vaccines have actually been tested on more people than many accepted vaccines like the shingles shot. On a side note the shingles vaccines has more side effects and adverse reactions than the the pfizer vaccine. Did you know when they do clinical trials they also have a placebo group?  The ones receiving isotonic saline water came up with almost the same amount of complaints of side effects. The amount of people getting the shot during the clinical trials is again way more than other drugs and vaccines. No short cuts were taken except for the amount of time they accomplished it. Is it 100% safe? Absolutely not. Does the risk out weigh the benefit?  Absolutely not.

The hepatitis vaccine, rabies vaccine, mumps, measles, tetanus meningitis have all had less testing prior to being released to the country.

[epic is back]

You bring up a great question, keanu.  One that I have been thinking about myself lately.

Short of towing the line, becoming politically correct, and more or less having no "incorrect" views...what can I do?

My mom says the only way anything I'm talking about can be accomplished [even something as basic as stopping a second useless lock-down in Ontario] will only happen when enough people stand up on my side.

Admittedly, I'm pessimistic about it.  And to be fair - we all ARE in the greatest recession since The Great Depression.  So this isn't just my imagination.  This can't continue.

Nothing will happen for you ever until you move out of Canada

Nothing

Enroll in school somewhere as a way out of Canada

Then never come back

This is the Single best advice best your going to get

Make it happen

[Megalodon]

This makes more sense if you've seen one of the many cringeworthy chorus-line videos by "health care professionals" celebrating the gay reset.

[epic is back]

I suggest you watch a few videos on that channel

It just might help through the confusion

If not that’s fine too

[Taffin]

Good for you Matt. Overall, you have the skillset to really do great things for humanity that few possess. The biggest waste of talent I've possibly ever seen. I have a friend who has an uncle that works with Elon Musk. At the beginning of each meeting Elon asks,' how can we change the world today?'  How does a person like yourself who has the intelligence and productivity to be a software engineer earning 500K a year in Silicon Valley, or an investment analyst that could logically predict trends 5 years out a make hundreds of millions spend time becoming a PT, collecting rmodest rents, and focusing on the wrongs of diversity (which I mostly agree with you on)?

You bring up a great question, keanu.  One that I have been thinking about myself lately.

Short of towing the line, becoming politically correct, and more or less having no "incorrect" views...what can I do?

My mom says the only way anything I'm talking about can be accomplished [even something as basic as stopping a second useless lock-down in Ontario] will only happen when enough people stand up on my side.

Admittedly, I'm pessimistic about it.  And to be fair - we all ARE in the greatest recession since The Great Depression.  So this isn't just my imagination.  This can't continue.

Matt...

Bro... read keanu's post again...