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« Reply #75 on: February 03, 2021, 06:05:03 AM »
Why Are Republican Presidents So Bad for the Economy?
G.D.P., jobs and other indicators have all risen faster under Democrats for nearly the past century.

By David LeonhardtGraphics by Yaryna Serkez
Mr. Leonhardt is a senior writer at The Times. Ms. Serkez is a writer and graphics editor for Opinion.

Feb. 2, 2021


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A president has only limited control over the economy. And yet there has been a stark pattern in the United States for nearly a century. The economy has grown significantly faster under Democratic presidents than Republican ones.

It’s true about almost any major indicator: gross domestic product, employment, incomes, productivity, even stock prices. It’s true if you examine only the precise period when a president is in office, or instead assume that a president’s policies affect the economy only after a lag and don’t start his economic clock until months after he takes office. The gap “holds almost regardless of how you define success,” two economics professors at Princeton, Alan Blinder and Mark Watson, write. They describe it as “startlingly large.”

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Note: Real G.D.P. adjusted for inflation and seasonal fluctuations.·Source: U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis.
Since 1933, the economy has grown at an annual average rate of 4.6 percent under Democratic presidents and 2.4 percent under Republicans, according to a Times analysis. In more concrete terms: The average income of Americans would be more than double its current level if the economy had somehow grown at the Democratic rate for all of the past nine decades. If anything, that period (which is based on data availability) is too kind to Republicans, because it excludes the portion of the Great Depression that happened on Herbert Hoover’s watch.

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The six presidents who have presided over the fastest job growth have all been Democrats, as you can see above. The four presidents who have presided over the slowest growth have all been Republicans.

The big question, of course, is why. And there are not easy answers.

I have shown the data to multiple economists in recent weeks, and most say they are not sure how to explain it, at least not fully. “We don’t quite get why it’s the case,” Katherine Eriksson, a professor at the University of California, Davis, who specializes in economic history, told me. Marianne Wanamaker, an economist at the University of Tennessee, described the pattern to the graduate students in a class she teaches and asked for their thoughts. “They were sort of stumped,” she said.

Part of the answer surely involves coincidence. Some presidents, like Barack Obama and George W. Bush, take office when the economy is in a downturn, while others, like Harry Truman and Donald Trump, inherit a boom. Some, like Lyndon Johnson and Ronald Reagan, preside over military buildups; others, like Dwight Eisenhower and Bill Clinton, drawdowns. More broadly, the economy’s performance stems from millions of decisions made every day by businesses and consumers, many of which have little relation to government policy.

Still, the pattern is so strong and long-lasting that coincidence alone is unlikely to be the only explanation. Statistical noise, as Mr. Blinder and Mr. Watson wrote in their paper exploring the pattern, does not seem to be the answer.

What, then, are the most plausible theories?

First, it’s worth rejecting a few unlikely possibilities. Congressional control is not the answer. The pattern holds regardless of which party is running Congress. Deficit spending also doesn’t explain the gap: It is not the case that Democrats juice the economy by spending money and then leave Republicans to clean up the mess. Over the last four decades, in fact, Republican presidents have run up larger deficits than Democrats.

That leaves one broad possibility with a good amount of supporting evidence: Democrats have been more willing to heed economic and historical lessons about what policies actually strengthen the economy, while Republicans have often clung to theories that they want to believe — like the supposedly magical power of tax cuts and deregulation. Democrats, in short, have been more pragmatic.

When Franklin D. Roosevelt first ran for president, in 1932, he did not have a fully coherent economic plan. He sometimes argued that reducing the deficit was the key to ending the Depression. Above all, though, he called for “bold, persistent experimentation.” As he explained: “Take a method and try it: If it fails, admit it frankly and try another. But above all, try something.”

Over time, he and his advisers came to champion the ideas of John Maynard Keynes. In an economic downturn, when companies and households are caught in a vicious cycle of spending reductions, the government needs to step in. The Keynesian approach has shaped Democratic economic policy ever since.

It has made Democratic presidents much more aggressive in responding to crises than Republicans. Not only was Hoover passive in the face of the Depression, but the first George Bush was slow to fight the 1990-91 recession, and the second George Bush was slow to begin fighting the 2007-9 financial crisis. Mr. Obama and now President Biden, when faced with an economic crisis, have been much bolder.

Michael Strain, an economist at the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think tank, told me that he believed the overall partisan pattern was mostly coincidence. But, he said, “It is certainly a defensible posture that in periods of economic distress Democrats are more concerned about jobs than Republicans.”

The past year has offered another case study. Mr. Trump repeatedly downplayed the coronavirus pandemic, and the country suffered. The economy would have experienced a downturn no matter who was president, but his scattered response aggravated the pandemic and the recession. In some other countries, life is much closer to normal. In the United States, Mr. Trump became the first president since Hoover to preside over a decline in employment.

The pragmatism gap isn’t only about recessions, either. Democrats have also been more aggressive about making job-creating investments — in medical research and clean energy, for example — that the private sector does not make when left to its own devices. Occasionally, a Democratic president has even been willing to go against type in order to encourage growth. Mr. Clinton, persuaded that deficit reduction could bring down interest rates and accelerate growth, scrapped some early spending plans and raised taxes. Interest rates fell, and the economy boomed.

Some past Republican presidents took a similarly pragmatic approach. Despite being conservative, both Eisenhower and Nixon were nonetheless comfortable using government to help the economy when needed. The elder George Bush signed a tax increase that contributed to the deficit reduction that, in turn, fueled the 1990s boom.

For the most part, however, Republican economic policy since 1980 has revolved around a single policy: large tax cuts, tilted heavily toward the affluent. There are situations in which tax cuts can lift economic growth, but they typically involve countries with very high tax rates. The United States has had fairly low tax rates for decades.

The evidence now overwhelmingly suggests that recent tax cuts have had only a modest effect on the economy. G.D.P. grew at virtually the same rate after the 2017 Trump tax cut as before it. If anything, the Clinton tax increase of 1993 has a better claim on starting a boom than any tax cut since.

One possibility is that the two parties are both responding to the interest groups that support and finance them, suggested Ms. Wanamaker, who worked in the White House Council of Economic Advisers during the Trump administration. But the Democratic-leaning groups (like labor unions and civil-rights organizations) may favor policies that lift broad-based economic growth, while Republican-leaning groups (like the wealthy) favor policies that mostly shift income toward themselves.

These explanations are almost certainly not complete. Much of the partisan gap remains mysterious. At the end of their academic paper on it, Mr. Blinder, a former Federal Reserve vice chairman and Clinton administration official, and Mr. Watson encourage other economists to study the issue.

But if the causes are not fully clear, the pattern is. The American economy has performed much better under Democratic administrations than Republican ones, over both the last few decades and the last century. And as Ms. Wanamaker said, “Administrations do certainly have the ability to affect economic outcomes.”

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« Reply #76 on: February 03, 2021, 09:14:49 AM »
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« Reply #77 on: February 03, 2021, 09:40:00 AM »
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« Reply #78 on: February 03, 2021, 03:50:47 PM »
Skunk51 sits at his keyboard all day in the shithole called Norristown  furiously typing away and dreading his next heart attack.

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« Reply #79 on: February 03, 2021, 03:53:27 PM »
funk51 has sunk to Lurker levels of TDS on his way down to Straw levels. :-\
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« Reply #80 on: February 03, 2021, 05:02:09 PM »

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« Reply #81 on: February 04, 2021, 07:00:10 AM »
Skunk51 sits at his keyboard all day in the shithole called Norristown  furiously typing away and dreading his next heart attack.
   name calling and wishing evil on me, what are you like 12 years old ?
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« Reply #82 on: February 04, 2021, 07:25:05 AM »
So sensitive about your feelings and so insensitive about the feelings of others...

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« Reply #83 on: February 04, 2021, 11:01:23 AM »
So sensitive about your feelings and so insensitive about the feelings of others...
                   you're quite the fool aren't you . what are you even talking about, I'm guessing you don't even know.
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« Reply #84 on: February 04, 2021, 12:19:50 PM »
funk51 has sunk to Lurker levels of TDS on his way down to Straw levels. :-\
             you got me wrong, I'm just trying to keep your hero's'  memory alive in the ensuing four years.
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« Reply #85 on: February 04, 2021, 04:00:59 PM »
             you got me wrong, I'm just trying to keep your hero's'  memory alive in the ensuing four years.

Tell us what policies of the 40 something executive orders that Biden reversed that you think will help this country and why. Just an FYI, Trump even now Is still the most powerful person in country....yes, even more than Biden and his administration. Hope that helped. Why do you think the left is still Unconstitutionally trying to take him down? Lol

Try to have an original thought

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« Reply #86 on: February 04, 2021, 04:16:47 PM »
Tell us what policies of the 40 something executive orders that Biden reversed that you think will help this country and why. t

they never do and they never will

i'm convinced all these biden voters are just a bunch of angry losers that want to see as much chaos and destruction as possible, misery loves company

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« Reply #87 on: February 04, 2021, 04:28:13 PM »
they never do and they never will

i'm convinced all these biden voters are just a bunch of angry losers that want to see as much chaos and destruction as possible, misery loves company

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If you noticed the articles that Funk posts are all from communist propaganda sites that he thinks justifies what I have no idea. Lol

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« Reply #88 on: February 04, 2021, 04:34:08 PM »


Donny boy, a lot of folks hope you are done, over, fini, kaput!

Your legacy is crumbling fast and your reach to supporters is suddenly and severely limited.

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« Reply #89 on: February 04, 2021, 04:35:06 PM »


Donny boy, a lot of folks hope you are done, over, fini, kaput!

Lol...sure😂😂

Even Dems are regretting their votes...but, it’s not like we said “we told ya so”

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« Reply #90 on: February 04, 2021, 04:54:44 PM »

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« Reply #91 on: February 04, 2021, 05:00:03 PM »
Lol...sure😂😂

Even Dems are regretting their votes...but, it’s not like we said “we told ya so”

LMAO.  You really are out to lunch. 

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« Reply #92 on: February 04, 2021, 05:00:55 PM »


Donny boy, a lot of folks hope you are done, over, fini, kaput!

Your legacy is crumbling fast and your reach to supporters is suddenly and severely limited.

are you going to tell us how biden's executive orders benefit america?   

are your antifa friends still burning portland?  how long until they reach your neighborhood?

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« Reply #93 on: February 04, 2021, 05:01:34 PM »
Lol...sure😂😂

Even Dems are regretting their votes...but, it’s not like we said “we told ya so”

i don't think so, they would choose death over being thought of as "racist"

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« Reply #96 on: February 04, 2021, 06:23:38 PM »


Just goes to show that the D-List actor wasn't that bright (a common trait among Republicans)

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« Reply #97 on: February 04, 2021, 06:25:11 PM »
Nice sources.  Akin to if I referenced The Onion.

just be glad he didn't post a link to Epoch Times

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« Reply #98 on: February 04, 2021, 06:39:31 PM »
             you got me wrong, I'm just trying to keep your hero's'  memory alive in the ensuing four years.
I'm pretty sure I don't have any heroes Mr Smellslikefunk51 :-*
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« Reply #99 on: February 04, 2021, 07:14:35 PM »
just be glad he didn't post a link to Epoch Times

Debunk any article I’ve posted from them or any other source I’ve used. You know it’s so easy to debunk your communist propaganda? Because you let the fake stories play out for a few days or weeks until the full story comes out, it debunks itself.