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Re: Thoughts on homeschooling
« Reply #75 on: July 06, 2021, 11:28:37 AM »
You can do that. My kids went to private school before my wife and I started homeschooling them. The older two returned to private school (one for his senior year, the other for her junior and senior years).

Plus, there's the little matter of MONEY. For those who want a higher quality education for their kids but can't afford private school (and my family was in that boat for a while), homeschooling is a great option.

As stated earlier, there are these things called co-ops, which all of my kids have attended at some point. Homeschool kids, by and large, interact with other kids there. When we lived in Virginia, my kids were a part of two co-ops: Williamsburg Classical Academy and Homeschoolers for Christ. They made friends and had lots of fun. My son was too young to attend the former at the time. But, I let him play with the older kids (and the siblings of other students who were his age) after school.

That's why the whole coronavirus shutdown thing didn't phase us. Going to school two or three days a week was standard fare to us. And we didn't do the virtual thing (except for the last month of the 2019-2020 school year, when 95% of regular co-op was done).

This whole notion that homeschooled kids are shut out from all other society is (with rare exception) ludicrous. Look at the activities and groups some of us homeschool parents here listed:

- Tae Kwon Do
- Ballet
- 4H
- In His Steps (a Christian Dance club)
- Homeschoolers For Christ
- Soccer
- AWANA

These are just a handful of things that homeschool kids do with other homeschool kids. They are HARDLY shut away from other people.

How is homeschoolers for christ and in his steps awana considered proper activities for children on par with a team sport with diverse students at school gtfo with that nonsense half the shit you listed is just sunday school evangical brainwashing not actual fun activities to do with your friends

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Re: Thoughts on homeschooling
« Reply #76 on: July 06, 2021, 11:36:49 AM »
School is about learning to deal with the good and bad kids. The good and bad teachers do you think every boss you ever have is going to be a genius?? hell no there are going to be idiots in positions of authority in your life and assholes at your job. You need to learn to deal with these kind of people without your mom and dad.
When they are adults they can deal with it.  As little children they don't yet have the ability of discernment and believe everything told to them by a respected adult.  There is a reason all of these kids think they are really another gender and need to transition.  They are not coming up with this shit on their own.

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Re: Thoughts on homeschooling
« Reply #77 on: July 06, 2021, 11:55:21 AM »
How is homeschoolers for christ and in his steps awana considered proper activities for children on par with a team sport with diverse students at school gtfo with that nonsense half the shit you listed is just sunday school evangical brainwashing not actual fun activities to do with your friends

My daughter was 6 when she did "In His Steps" and my son was a toddler at the time (exactly what team sports were they going to play again?). It's a dance program, much like the ballet classes VOD's daughter was taking.


Diverse? You mean like the Hispanic and Chinese kids who were part of HFC? Of the Filipino family that ran "In His Steps" (the oldest daughter from that family also taught beginner's piano to my little girl)?

I missed the memo where YOU got to determine which activities are fun and which are not. My kids enjoyed themselves as did their peers, which is why my son (when he turned three) wanted to play with the other kids my daughter's co-op, even though he was too young to attend. I intentionally stayed at least 30 minutes, after school was over for my daughter, so that he got to play with the other kids (either the ones barely old enough to attend or their younger siblings) once school was over.

Hypertrophy mentioned some of the activities his kids did while homeschooling, and he isn't even "religious".

Therefore, your arguments are reduced to mere anti-Christian pap. As I said earlier, if your want to send your kids to public school, go for it. My kids won't be there, not as long as I have anything to say about it.

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Re: Thoughts on homeschooling
« Reply #78 on: July 06, 2021, 12:04:11 PM »
When they are adults they can deal with it.  As little children they don't yet have the ability of discernment and believe everything told to them by a respected adult.  There is a reason all of these kids think they are really another gender and need to transition.  They are not coming up with this shit on their own.

You can't just learn to get along with other people you disagree with as an adult you need to learn these skills as a child. There are going to be kids in school they don't get along or who just happen to be different religions or ethnic groups unlike homeschool where the parent controls every person they see and makes sure they are all home school evangelist from the same social economic background just like them.

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Re: Thoughts on homeschooling
« Reply #79 on: July 06, 2021, 12:06:27 PM »
My daughter was 6 when she did "In His Steps" and my son was a toddler at the time (exactly what team sports were they going to play again?). It's a dance program, much like the ballet classes VOD's daughter was taking.


Diverse? You mean like the Hispanic and Chinese kids who were part of HFC? Of the Filipino family that ran "In His Steps" (the oldest daughter from that family also taught beginner's piano to my little girl)?

I missed the memo where YOU got to determine which activities are fun and which are not. My kids enjoyed themselves as did their peers, which is why my son (when he turned three) wanted to play with the other kids my daughter's co-op, even though he was too young to attend. I intentionally stayed at least 30 minutes, after school was over for my daughter, so that he got to play with the other kids (either the ones barely old enough to attend or their younger siblings) once school was over.

Hypertrophy mentioned some of the activities his kids did while homeschooling, and he isn't even "religious".

Therefore, your arguments are reduced to mere anti-Christian pap. As I said earlier, if your want to send your kids to public school, go for it. My kids won't be there, not as long as I have anything to say about it.

Kind of like the kids who think oatmeal raison is a cookie because their parents never let them have a chocolate chip. Fuck no a bunch of religious based faith activities are not the same thing as school programs for everyone. I remember the Jesus comic books they handed out in sunday school not the same thing as an actual comic book at all

Imagine how shocking it is going to be for home schooled kids to learn not everyone thinks like them

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Re: Thoughts on homeschooling
« Reply #80 on: July 06, 2021, 12:11:19 PM »
You can't just learn to get along with other people you disagree with as an adult you need to learn these skills as a child. There are going to be kids in school they don't get along or who just happen to be different religions or ethnic groups unlike homeschool where the parent controls every person they see and makes sure they are all home school evangelist from the same social economic background just like them.

Wrong again! Homeschoolers come from different social economic background. I know firsthand, as my wife and I were hardly rolling in dough when we first started. In fact, we made the calculation that we were LOSING MONEY, despite both of us working. So, when she stayed home to teach our kids, our finances improved because (simply put) less money was leaving our bank account.

To further torpedo your inaccurate claim, I just remember that one of my son's 4th grade classmates was Muslim, whose family is originally from Morocco. Yet, she was at a Christian co-op with my little boy. My wife informed me of that, after speaking and becoming friends with the girl's mother.

Not to mention, we met a Jewish family at one of our co-ops when we lived in VA. They were friends of ours for about two years, until we moved to Missouri.

Got any more ridiculous quips?  ;D

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Re: Thoughts on homeschooling
« Reply #81 on: July 06, 2021, 12:17:44 PM »
Kind of like the kids who think oatmeal raison is a cookie because their parents never let them have a chocolate chip. Fuck no a bunch of religious based faith activities are not the same thing as school programs for everyone. I remember the Jesus comic books they handed out in sunday school not the same thing as an actual comic book at all

Imagine how shocking it is going to be for home schooled kids to learn not everyone thinks like them

Well this answers my previous question.

Earth to bhank: They already know that.

Here's another news flash for you. Some kids who homeschool their children or have them attend religious co-ops/private schools AREN'T EVEN CHRISTIANS (see Hypertrophy's comments). They're there because their parents want the best education they can get for them; and they've come to the woefully obvious conclusions that (by and large) public schools SUCK!!

Again, send your kiddies to public schools, since you love those institutions so much. HAVE AT IT!! But, for some reason, you seem to have this bent on having other parents do the same with their kids, out of some feigned fear that they won't learn as much or be "prepared for real life". PLEASE!!!

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Re: Thoughts on homeschooling
« Reply #82 on: July 06, 2021, 12:18:01 PM »
Wrong again! Homeschoolers come from different social economic background. I know firsthand, as my wife and I were hardly rolling in dough when we first started. In fact, we made the calculation that we were LOSING MONEY, despite both of us working. So, when she stayed home to teach our kids, our finances improved because (simply put) less money was leaving our bank account.

To further torpedo your inaccurate claim, I just remember that one of my son's 4th grade classmates was Muslim, whose family is originally from Morocco. Yet, she was at a Christian co-op with my little boy. My wife informed me of that, after speaking and becoming friends with the girl's mother.

Not to mention, we met a Jewish family at one of our co-ops when we lived in VA. They were friends of ours for about two years, until we moved to Missouri.

Got any more ridiculous quips?  ;D

One of the children wasn't Christian? You met a Jewish family how the fuck do you think that is diversity? Diverse families don't sign up for evangelical religious programs. Everyone wants to keep kids out of public school because they are too liberal? Newflash 1/4 the country is liberal and 1/4 is conservative and half think they are both crazy. You have to learn to deal with all of them in life just like Public school

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Re: Thoughts on homeschooling
« Reply #83 on: July 06, 2021, 12:32:55 PM »
One of the children wasn't Christian? You met a Jewish family how the fuck do you think that is diversity? Diverse families don't sign up for evangelical religious programs. Everyone wants to keep kids out of public school because they are too liberal? Newflash 1/4 the country is liberal and 1/4 is conservative and half think they are both crazy. You have to learn to deal with all of them in life just like Public school

Wrong again!! Black families do (like mine); white families do; Oriental families do; Latino families do.

WHAT? Did you think I was a white guy who only had his children around other upper-middle-class Caucasian kids? NOPE!!

I even had the pleasure of meeting the president of a local black homeschool organization at the HEAV conference I attended almost a decade ago.

You'll meet them all at co-ops and homeschool co-ops and conferences. Check your stats, buddy. As of 2016, 41% (that's about 2 out of 5, if you prefer fractions) of homeschool kids are non-white.

The only "diversity" issue I've had is often being the only BLACK homeschool dad. Most of the African-American kids with whom my kids played were mixed (black mother; white father).

Incidentally, even some LIBERALS don't want to put their kids in public schools. Their lament is that the overwhelming majority of homeschool organizations, conferences, curricula, and even legal defense entities are Christian-based.

They claim credit for starting the homeschool movement (they call it "unschooling"), during the hippie hey-day, because they didn't want their kids to be institutionalized cogs the capitalistic "system", or something to that effect.

The story goes that, when their movement died down, the "religious right" took over homeschooling and here we are.




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Re: Thoughts on homeschooling
« Reply #84 on: July 06, 2021, 12:35:00 PM »
Wrong again!! Black families do (like mine); white families do; Oriental families do; Latino families do.

WHAT? Did you think I was a white guy who only had his children around other upper-middle-class Caucasian kids? NOPE!!

I even had the pleasure of meeting the president of a local black homeschool organization at the HEAV conference I attended almost a decade ago.

You'll meet them all at co-ops and homeschool co-ops and conferences. Check your stats, buddy. As of 2016, 41% (that's about 2 out of 5, if you prefer fractions) of homeschool kids are non-white.

The only "diversity" issue I've had is often being the only BLACK homeschool dad. Most of the African-American kids with whom my kids played were mixed (black mother; white father).

Incidentally, even some LIBERALS don't want to put their kids in public schools. Their lament is that the overwhelming majority of homeschool organizations, conferences, curricula, and even legal defense entities are Christian-based.

They claim credit for starting the homeschool movement (they call it "unschooling"), during the hippie hey-day, because they didn't want their kids to be institutionalized cogs the capitalistic "system", or something to that effect.

The story goes that, when their movement died down, the "religious right" took over homeschooling and here we are.

Props to you! Wish more white and black parents were like you. Got your priorities in order

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Re: Thoughts on homeschooling
« Reply #85 on: July 06, 2021, 12:41:29 PM »
Props to you! Wish more white and black parents were like you. Got your priorities in order

BTW, my son was one of seven kids in his 4th-grade class. So, if ONE was Muslim, that 14%. Now which public school had 14% Muslim students in it again?

Another stat is that 80% of families that homeschool their kids do so, because the environment of public school SUCK (i.e. drug use, bullying, violence, and poor quality of education).

Religious instruction ranks a distant third on the hierarchy (just over half of parents homeschool for religious reasons).

That wasn't even a factor for me (and bhank can't seem to grasp this), because my kids (the older ones) WERE ALREADY ATTENDING A PRIVATE (Christian) SCHOOL, when my wife and I made the switch.

Since roughly 80% of private schools are religious ones, I will use private and religious schools interchangeably, unless otherwise noted.

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Re: Thoughts on homeschooling
« Reply #86 on: July 06, 2021, 12:42:04 PM »
Wrong again!! Black families do (like mine); white families do; Oriental families do; Latino families do.

WHAT? Did you think I was a white guy who only had his children around other upper-middle-class Caucasian kids? NOPE!!

I even had the pleasure of meeting the president of a local black homeschool organization at the HEAV conference I attended almost a decade ago.

You'll meet them all at co-ops and homeschool co-ops and conferences. Check your stats, buddy. As of 2016, 41% (that's about 2 out of 5, if you prefer fractions) of homeschool kids are non-white.

The only "diversity" issue I've had is often being the only BLACK homeschool dad. Most of the African-American kids with whom my kids played were mixed (black mother; white father).

Incidentally, even some LIBERALS don't want to put their kids in public schools. Their lament is that the overwhelming majority of homeschool organizations, conferences, curricula, and even legal defense entities are Christian-based.

They claim credit for starting the homeschool movement (they call it "unschooling"), during the hippie hey-day, because they didn't want their kids to be institutionalized cogs the capitalistic "system", or something to that effect.

The story goes that, when their movement died down, the "religious right" took over homeschooling and here we are.

Homeschooled kids are weird and socially awkward do you think we all haven't met home schooled kids and their parents? Don't like your public school get involved in the PTA fix the fucking schools we are all paying for already

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Re: Thoughts on homeschooling
« Reply #87 on: July 06, 2021, 12:43:29 PM »
BTW, my son was one of seven kids in his 4th-grade class. So, if ONE was Muslim, that 14%. Now which public school had 14% Muslim students in it again?

Another stat is that 80% of families that homeschool their kids do so, because the environment of public school SUCK (i.e. drug use, bullying, violence, and poor quality of education).

Religious instruction ranks a distant third on the hierarchy (just over half of parents homeschool for religious reasons).

That wasn't even a factor for me (and bhank can't seem to grasp this), because my kids (the older ones) WERE ALREADY ATTENDING A PRIVATE (Christian) SCHOOL, when my wife and I made the switch.

Since roughly 80% of private schools are religious ones, I will use private and religious schools interchangeably, unless otherwise noted.

7 kids in the 4th grade class and you think he is learning socialization skills lol most schools have different teachers and qualified subject experts for every class with 20 kids a class and activities with hundreds again homeschooled kids and their parents are fucking weirdos we have all encountered them

Private and religious schools are absolutely not the same thing not interchangeable

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Re: Thoughts on homeschooling
« Reply #88 on: July 06, 2021, 12:47:10 PM »
Homeschooled kids are weird and socially awkward do you think we all haven't met home schooled kids and their parents? Don't like your public school get involved in the PTA fix the fucking schools we are all paying for already

I've met plenty of "weird and socially awkward" public school kids.....and their parents.

Every time anyone tries to fix the public school, the left-winged unions kneecap them and nothing gets done.

I don't like public school; so I opted to my sure my kids never see the inside of one and will have them educated at either co-ops or private schools.

YOU fix the public ones, since you adore them so much. But, it appears you have this fetish to force other parents to herd their kiddies into these pitiful palaces of paltry education.

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Re: Thoughts on homeschooling
« Reply #89 on: July 06, 2021, 12:52:23 PM »
7 kids in the 4th grade class and you think he is learning socialization skills lol most schools have different teachers and qualified subject experts for every class with 20 kids a class and activities with hundreds again homeschooled kids and their parents are fucking weirdos we have all encountered them

Private and religious schools are absolutely not the same thing not interchangeable

My kids had different teachers as well, not counting my wife or me. And I already mentioned a small fraction of the activities homeschool kids can enjoy. Once again, your misinformation/ignorance is your own undoing.

About 80% of private schools are church/religious-based. Another reason some non-Christian parents send their kids there is because the tuition at secular private school is ALMOST DOUBLE that of religious ones.

Remember that school where Presidents Obama and Trump sent their respective young children. The tuition is like over $30,000 a year per child......that's TRIPLE the the tuition for BOTH of my kids at the private school they attended in the 2020-2021 school year.

BTW, who mandated a 20-kid minimum for socialization purposes?

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Re: Thoughts on homeschooling
« Reply #90 on: July 06, 2021, 01:09:36 PM »
My kids had different teachers as well, not counting my wife or me. And I already mentioned a small fraction of the activities homeschool kids can enjoy. Once again, your misinformation/ignorance is your own undoing.

About 80% of private schools are church/religious-based. Another reason some non-Christian parents send their kids there is because the tuition at secular private school is ALMOST DOUBLE that of religious ones.

Remember that school where Presidents Obama and Trump sent their respective young children. The tuition is like over $30,000 a year per child......that's TRIPLE the the tuition for BOTH of my kids at the private school they attended in the 2020-2021 school year.

BTW, who mandated a 20-kid minimum for socialization purposes?

Almost every kid at those 30k schools is on tuition assistance and scholarship that is why they cost so much only one out of 10 is actually paying. Additionally while they make have Christian religious sounding names they all went secular decades ago.

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Re: Thoughts on homeschooling
« Reply #91 on: July 06, 2021, 01:23:27 PM »
Almost every kid at those 30k schools is on tuition assistance and scholarship that is why they cost so much only one out of 10 is actually paying. Additionally while they make have Christian religious sounding names they all went secular decades ago.

That makes no sense.

Many secular private schools, like the one in DC where the presidents' kids went, WON'T TAKE scholarships and don't have tuition assistance.

Even if they do, the dollar amount is capped to avoid any constitutional issues. It's the SAME AMOUNT, no matter which institution the parents pick: Public school, charter school, home tutor, secular private school, or religious private school.

Whatever the scholarship doesn't cover, the parents pay out of pocket.

In Florida, the most an elementary student from a family of four can get (income around $50,000 a year) is approximately $6500. There's no way a lower/working-class family could pay for a $30K/year private school, EVEN WITH a state scholarship.

That's done on purpose, partially to keep the school segregated by class. In other words, it's to keep black, Latino, and poor white kids out. They'll take the gamble that the handful of minority parents that can afford their fees will actually have kids with some sense.

Most private schools are religious, often attached to or on the same property as the churches that run them. And (depending on the state), the majority accept state scholarships/school vouchers.

That's why, here in central Florida, we have all these cute black and Latino kids in private school uniforms. I see them in Wal-Mart, at the bank, and in the malls all the time. And those uniforms will have the school's name, with the word, "Christian", or the particular denomination (Baptist, Catholic, Lutheran, etc.) in that title.

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Re: Thoughts on homeschooling
« Reply #92 on: July 06, 2021, 01:53:56 PM »
School is about learning to deal with the good and bad kids. The good and bad teachers do you think every boss you ever have is going to be a genius?? hell no there are going to be idiots in positions of authority in your life and assholes at your job. You need to learn to deal with these kind of people without your mom and dad.

Bhank: do you have kids?

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Re: Thoughts on homeschooling
« Reply #93 on: July 06, 2021, 04:01:44 PM »
School is about learning to deal with the good and bad kids. The good and bad teachers do you think every boss you ever have is going to be a genius?? hell no there are going to be idiots in positions of authority in your life and assholes at your job. You need to learn to deal with these kind of people without your mom and dad.

I agree that social interaction with other kids, both good and bad are necessary in order to become well-rounded adults. Teachers who have a classroom full of kids to teach cannot focus all their attention on one student. The helps kids to focus on their own and learn despite distractions. These experiences prepare kids to function in the real world.  Parochial schools offer all of this, but in smaller doses. And, when kids get totally out of line in private school, the school can take appropriate action without the parents going berserk like many do in public school. This is how young people learn that actions have consequences.

Both my kids went to Catholic school and transferred to public schools in their freshman year. They went on to lead successful and happy lives.
 

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« Reply #94 on: July 06, 2021, 04:17:42 PM »
My in laws in Florida are religious nut bags.  They are 3rd generation home schoolers.  There oldest is 10 and cannot follow directions, share, coexist with others as well as my sisters 5 & 6 year olds.  It's typical of that crowd.

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« Reply #95 on: July 06, 2021, 04:21:33 PM »
Bhank: do you have kids?

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Re: Thoughts on homeschooling
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« Reply #98 on: July 06, 2021, 05:21:23 PM »
My in laws in Florida are religious nut bags.  They are 3rd generation home schoolers.  There oldest is 10 and cannot follow directions, share, coexist with others as well as my sisters 5 & 6 year olds.  It's typical of that crowd.

Speak for yourself, or at least for your in-laws. My kids are quite well-adjusted, as are most of their peers.

I agree that social interaction with other kids, both good and bad are necessary in order to become well-rounded adults. Teachers who have a classroom full of kids to teach cannot focus all their attention on one student. The helps kids to focus on their own and learn despite distractions. These experiences prepare kids to function in the real world.  Parochial schools offer all of this, but in smaller doses. And, when kids get totally out of line in private school, the school can take appropriate action without the parents going berserk like many do in public school. This is how young people learn that actions have consequences.

Both my kids went to Catholic school and transferred to public schools in their freshman year. They went on to lead successful and happy lives.
 

You hit the nail on the head. In private schools, the bad kids get disciplined. In public schools, they're left in place to run amok and ruin the learning experience for the others.

The parents know the rules up front and sign a contract to ensure the kids abide by those rules. The teenagers/high-schoolers also have to sign that contract as well.


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Re: Thoughts on homeschooling
« Reply #99 on: July 06, 2021, 05:40:04 PM »
Speak for yourself, or at least for your in-laws. My kids are quite well-adjusted, as are most of their peers.

Happy to hear your kids are well adjusted.  Yours are an anomaly.  Most are fucked up in one way or another.  But, this is getbig aka home of the 1%ers so I'm not surprised.