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Re: Afghanistan - USA pulls out and Taliban moves in right away
« Reply #200 on: August 16, 2021, 03:11:36 PM »
Why is Mexico allowing everyone to enter?

They don't enforce immigration control policies due to corrupt government officials. The southern Latin countries pay the Mexican government millions to take on their refugees. Nobody wants them so they allow them to pass through Mexico so it's an American problem.

The Mexican government does not care about it's people, only money.

On paper they have rules, but they are not enforced. Similar to the USA, but less strict. Nobody cares. The Police won't do anything. Only the military enforces the immigration laws and they are few and far between.

They need all the money they can get, so being a revolving door helps them with taxes for goods and services.

Right now anyone can walk across any Mexican border with no ID. Just pay 10 pesos (50 cents). Millions of people cross every day, most are Mexican citizens looking for work.

The USA border at Mexico is closed to non-US citizens entering here, so i have to have my passport for that. Me and my GF can cross anytime, but her family cannot come to America because they aren't citizens, but they do have travel visas that can't be used. It's a Covid policy that makes zero sense.

I go there with my GF every 3 weeks to see her family in Chihuahua City.

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Re: Afghanistan - USA pulls out and Taliban moves in right away
« Reply #201 on: August 16, 2021, 03:17:02 PM »
Why is Mexico allowing everyone to enter?

  For money

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Re: Afghanistan - USA pulls out and Taliban moves in right away
« Reply #202 on: August 16, 2021, 03:18:57 PM »
Probably a bad time for an LGBGT rally in Kabul.

Gonna be tough to judge the IFFB Afghanistan female divisions with ladies posing in  "bee keeper suits".

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Re: Afghanistan - USA pulls out and Taliban moves in right away
« Reply #203 on: August 16, 2021, 03:44:24 PM »
Its most probable that the majority of contributors to this thread are too young to remember the ferocious enthusiasm there was for starting this war with a near stone age society.
The demand for war  strong enough for us to invade Iraq while still rock breaking the Hindu Kush
Unfortunately .. there was no GP chat boards around then to record reflect the level of support for these adventures
in the years since the enthusiasm gave way to a desire to leave

The US wanted out regardless of what happened after

Bush started the war
Obama & Trump failed to effect a withdrawl
Biddy Joe pulls out (using Trumps plan modified)

And now the nation is near hysteric at getting what it wanted

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Re: Afghanistan - USA pulls out and Taliban moves in right away
« Reply #204 on: August 16, 2021, 03:46:04 PM »

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Re: Afghanistan - USA pulls out and Taliban moves in right away
« Reply #205 on: August 16, 2021, 03:53:06 PM »
Gonna be tough to judge the IFFB Afghanistan female divisions with ladies posing in  "bee keeper suits".

Yours 'hero' fucked up in Afghanistan !.

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Re: Afghanistan - USA pulls out and Taliban moves in right away
« Reply #206 on: August 16, 2021, 03:56:32 PM »
There are no benefits to fighting. What happened to Sparta?, What happened to Rome?
Stop fighting. Start defending. America will last forever.
 

No, it won't. 

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Re: Afghanistan - USA pulls out and Taliban moves in right away
« Reply #207 on: August 16, 2021, 04:01:38 PM »
Its most probable that the majority of contributors to this thread are too young to remember the ferocious enthusiasm there was for starting this war with a near stone age society.
The demand for war  strong enough for us to invade Iraq while still rock breaking the Hindu Kush
Unfortunately .. there was no GP chat boards around then to record reflect the level of support for these adventures
in the years since the enthusiasm gave way to a desire to leave

The US wanted out regardless of what happened after

Bush started the war
Obama & Trump failed to effect a withdrawl
Biddy Joe pulls out (using Trumps plan modified)

And now the nation is near hysteric at getting what it wanted

The enthusiasm was for retribution for 9/11. We didn’t sign on for this nation building exercise. Who gives a fuck if there’s Democracy in Afghanistan?  Same drill with Iraq. We got sold on weapons of mass destruction which slowly morphed into Iraqi Freedom. The latest bait and switch has been in the form of “15 days to stop the spread.”


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Re: Afghanistan - USA pulls out and Taliban moves in right away
« Reply #208 on: August 16, 2021, 04:08:49 PM »
Should have gone big mike cox style (no pull out)

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Re: Afghanistan - USA pulls out and Taliban moves in right away
« Reply #209 on: August 16, 2021, 04:28:19 PM »
The enthusiasm was for retribution for 9/11. We didn’t sign on for this nation building exercise. Who gives a fuck if there’s Democracy in Afghanistan?  Same drill with Iraq. We got sold on weapons of mass destruction which slowly morphed into Iraqi Freedom. The latest bait and switch has been in the form of “15 days to stop the spread.”

Afganistan
 fool me once shame on you
Iraq
  fool me twice shame on me
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Re: Afghanistan - USA pulls out and Taliban moves in right away
« Reply #210 on: August 16, 2021, 04:48:38 PM »

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Re: Afghanistan - USA pulls out and Taliban moves in right away
« Reply #211 on: August 16, 2021, 06:05:24 PM »

Australian RAAF Globemasters C17 near Kabul, but they could not land !.

Refueling aircraft tanker is close too !.


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Re: Afghanistan - USA pulls out and Taliban moves in right away
« Reply #212 on: August 16, 2021, 06:09:27 PM »
Its most probable that the majority of contributors to this thread are too young to remember the ferocious enthusiasm there was for starting this war with a near stone age society.
The demand for war  strong enough for us to invade Iraq while still rock breaking the Hindu Kush
Unfortunately .. there was no GP chat boards around then to record reflect the level of support for these adventures
in the years since the enthusiasm gave way to a desire to leave

The US wanted out regardless of what happened after

Bush started the war
Obama & Trump failed to effect a withdrawl
Biddy Joe pulls out (using Trumps plan modified)

And now the nation is near hysteric at getting what it wanted

Coward, your idol really fucked up to the max !

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Re: Afghanistan - USA pulls out and Taliban moves in right away
« Reply #213 on: August 16, 2021, 06:11:35 PM »
Australian RAAF Globemasters C17 near Kabul, but they could not land !.

Refueling aircraft tanker is close too !.

How long before they send in the kangaroos

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Re: Afghanistan - USA pulls out and Taliban moves in right away
« Reply #214 on: August 16, 2021, 06:26:01 PM »
How long before they send in the kangaroos

Roo meat taste good , no fat !.

British & German aircrafts a on the way to Kabul International ................. :-\

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Re: Afghanistan - USA pulls out and Taliban moves in right away
« Reply #215 on: August 16, 2021, 07:09:50 PM »
wo0oooooooooooshhhhhhhhh hhhh

Taliban leader was freed from Guantanamo Bay in 2014 swap by Obama


https://nypost.com/2021/08/16/taliban-leader-was-freed-from-guantanamo-in-2014-swap-by-obama/


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Re: Afghanistan - USA pulls out and Taliban moves in right away
« Reply #216 on: August 16, 2021, 07:14:28 PM »
wo0oooooooooooshhhhhhhhhhhhh

Taliban leader was freed from Guantanamo Bay in 2014 swap by Obama


https://nypost.com/2021/08/16/taliban-leader-was-freed-from-guantanamo-in-2014-swap-by-obama/
Of course.

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« Reply #217 on: August 16, 2021, 08:25:38 PM »
Pretty shitty that we spent so many lives, so much money and time, just to walk away and let it be overrun. I have friends that are pretty upset about this, some lost very good friends and parts of themselves.

I agree with you. Estimates are 2000+ dead, 20000 wounded 35000 civilians dead, 800+ billion dollars spent. Seems like we accomplished zilch. 

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Re: Afghanistan.
« Reply #218 on: August 16, 2021, 09:03:36 PM »
I agree with you. Estimates are 2000+ dead, 20000 wounded 35000 civilians dead, 800+ billion dollars spent. Seems like we accomplished zilch.

It was a disaster.

Every admin and general has been lying to the American public about this for 20 years.

And, the results that are happening now pretty much show that they would have happened no matter how long we stayed.

Right now, based on what I know, it's the right move.

Staying would only accomplish more Americans getting killed.
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« Reply #219 on: August 16, 2021, 11:53:35 PM »

USAF Globemaster C-17 took off from Kabul International airport with 640 Afgans , 1st stop Qatar !.

No seats, no safety belts & no use of toilets !.

C-17 is design for 134 military passangers !.

CNN will tell you this in 4-5 days  ;D

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« Reply #220 on: August 17, 2021, 01:01:57 AM »
I agree with you. Estimates are 2000+ dead, 20000 wounded 35000 civilians dead, 800+ billion dollars spent. Seems like we accomplished zilch.

2,400 American servicemen and nearly 4,000 (!) contractors killed over a near-20-year period.  I believe that there are at least 10 friends or family members for each, meaning that at least 60,000 Americans are beside themselves in anger. 

We left Vietnam in ’73, but Vietnam had not previously attacked us in any meaningful way. 

I am sad and angry to predict some responses from home-grown phukkers.

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Re: Afghanistan.
« Reply #221 on: August 17, 2021, 03:27:24 AM »
Discussion of anything downstream (Halliburton, war for oil, US imperialism, is the mandalorain gay, blah, blah) would be pointless.

Pakistan(no oil) ,to the east of Afghanistan, has always been more strategically important to the US than Afghanistan.

During the Cold War, Pakistan,with its army, kept India in check ,stopped it linking up with the Soviet Union and  and kept it away from the Middle East's oil and gas. It was also the one country between both the Soviet Union and China and the Arabian Sea ,with its oil shipping lanes.




Seems President Biden always thought that way

"According to the book “Directorate S: The CIA and America’s Secret Wars in Afghanistan and Pakistan,” during a 2008 exchange with former Afghan president Hamid Karzai, Biden said: “Mr. President, “Pakistan is fifty times more important than Afghanistan for the United States.” "

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:MlcwoY9-6JEJ:https://thehill.com/opinion/international/567813-as-the-talibans-takeover-continues-the-world-calls-for-sanctions-on+&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk


Reckon it was a strategic disaster for the West when China gave Pakistan the technology for the nuclear bomb, back in the 90's and Pakistan no longer needed US protection.
(never understood why- given Pakistan's importance- the US didn't simply occupy Pakistan and build a military base these ,before the country ever acquired weapon of mass destruction. And I guess this foreign policy failure in Pakistan might partly explains US actions in Iraq,Syria and Libya)





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Re: Afghanistan.
« Reply #222 on: August 17, 2021, 05:31:00 AM »

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Re: Afghanistan - USA pulls out and Taliban moves in right away
« Reply #223 on: August 17, 2021, 06:04:02 AM »
"Women and children first!"

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Re: Afghanistan - USA pulls out and Taliban moves in right away
« Reply #224 on: August 17, 2021, 06:09:16 AM »
This was a really good listen. She said everyone always  knew the Taliban would take over again when the US left but none of the generals wanted it to happen on their watch. She doesn’t speak highly of generals. Says they’re all essentially politicians.