US regulators give full approval to Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine (NOT!)

[Primemuscle]

It’s understandable that people would get this worthless product so that the government makes their lives a little bit less miserable but pretending that this is anything other than a massive wealth transfer to the medical establishment is either intellectually dishonest or just delusional.

Yada...yada...yada

[IroNat]

https://disq.us/url?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fda.gov%2Fmedia%2F150386%2Fdownload%3ALpCFjiCQwprLvS-2tiqC0zPq8TY&cuid=2911865


"This EUA will be effective until the declaration that circumstances exist justifying the
authorization of the emergency use of drugs and biological products during the COVID-19
pandemic is terminated under Section 564(b)(2) of the Act or the EUA is revoked under Section
564(g) of the Act."

Thanks!

Just an extension of the EUA (Emergency Use Authorization and NOT a full approval of the Pfizer vax.  More propaganda.

Pfizer has been instructed to continue testing the vaccine for several years for known and unknown adverse effects.

Only after these continuing tests and studies have been performed to satisfaction will the FDA grant full approval.

[Howard]

Still not taking it.

I don't need a reason not to take it. Not taking it is the default position. The only reason to take it comes from institutional and social pressure, not anything from real life. To this day I don't know a single person who has died from this virus, and only know of one person who was in bad health getting particularly ill. I just don't give a fuck. There has not been a single instance that hit home and made me care enough to modify my behavior in any way unless coerced, and it's not like I don't know people who are vulnerable.

Everything about this pandemic including the vaccine stinks so bad you can probably smell the stench from the moon. To say I don't trust the people telling me what to do is an understatement. When they tell me to put something in my body I am running for the hills.

History is filled with diehard hold outs and it rarely works out well for 'em.

I can tell from your post, you really believe in NOT getting a vax.
I know  trying to convince you is pointless.

However, you'll eventually have only 2 choices :
1. Get the vax     or    2. Live in some form of self-imposed isolation

I get the impression , you're not crazy, so you'll reluctantly get the vaccine for practical reasons .
By this time next year, you'll be vaccinated , healthy and fine and this will be a NON issue for you.

[Grape Ape]

History is filled with diehard hold outs and it rarely works out well for 'em.

I can tell from your post, you really believe in NOT getting a vax.
I know  trying to convince you is pointless.

However, you'll eventually have only 2 choices :
1. Get the vax     or    2. Live in some form of self-imposed isolation

I get the impression , you're not crazy, so you'll reluctantly get the vaccine for practical reasons .
By this time next year, you'll be vaccinated , healthy and fine and this will be a NON issue for you.

How many times are you going to make the same post?

It's OK to......not post.

[DanM]

History is filled with diehard hold outs and it rarely works out well for 'em.

I can tell from your post, you really believe in NOT getting a vax.
I know  trying to convince you is pointless.

However, you'll eventually have only 2 choices :
1. Get the vax     or    2. Live in some form of self-imposed isolation

I get the impression , you're not crazy, so you'll reluctantly get the vaccine for practical reasons .
By this time next year, you'll be vaccinated , healthy and fine and this will be a NON issue for you.

What would you say to those who choose not to take a vaccine because it was rushed out in record time, because there is no data showing its long term safety and where the companies who produce it are not held liable?

Not to mention for a virus which has a mortality rate that is abysmally low for anyone under 60 yrs old

You can have your own views but those are respectable and legitimate points I see being made and not something to just write off

[Primemuscle]

Sure - look up some prior mRNA vaccines that have been around and compare.

Don't you think the mRNA was a natural progression from RNA vaccines because of a need for something that would work on COVID? New developments and discoveries in science are often based on what is already known and because of a need. Prior to COVID, RNA vaccines worked for many viruses.  Were there vaccines exactly like the polio vaccine prior to its development? Vaccines have been around for 2 centuries when the small pox vaccine was discovered and created from cowpox blisters found on human hands.

New and better vaccines are being discovered all the time. Zostavax came about in 2006 as a means reducing the severity of shingles. Within not too many years the Shingrex vaccine was developed out of a need for a better shingles vaccine. In the U.S. Shingrex has completely replaced Zostavax because it is far more effective at preventing serious cases of shingles. 

Traditional vaccines put a weakened or inactivated germ into our bodies. Messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines teach our cells how to make a protein that triggers an immune response when someone gets infected.   

[Humble Narcissist]

Still not taking it.

I don't need a reason not to take it. Not taking it is the default position. The only reason to take it comes from institutional and social pressure, not anything from real life. To this day I don't know a single person who has died from this virus, and only know of one person who was in bad health getting particularly ill. I just don't give a fuck. There has not been a single instance that hit home and made me care enough to modify my behavior in any way unless coerced, and it's not like I don't know people who are vulnerable.

Everything about this pandemic including the vaccine stinks so bad you can probably smell the stench from the moon. To say I don't trust the people telling me what to do is an understatement. When they tell me to put something in my body I am running for the hills.

This^    I've had Covid and I am not getting any vaccine.  It simply is not necessary.

[Howard]

What would you say to those who choose not to take a vaccine because it was rushed out in record time, because there is no data showing its long term safety and where the companies who produce it are not held liable?

Not to mention for a virus which has a mortality rate that is abysmally low for anyone under 60 yrs old

You can have your own views but those are respectable and legitimate points I see being made and not something to just write off

The latest facts from real life data is :

1. You're 5x more likely to get Covid if you're UN-vaccinated

2. You're 29x more likely to be hospitalized for serious covid illness if you're UN-vaccinated.

This isn't a close call. Get a vax.

[Grape Ape]

Don't you think the mRNA was a natural progression from RNA vaccines because of a need for something that would work on COVID? New developments and discoveries in science are often based on what is already known and because of a need. Prior to COVID, RNA vaccines worked for many viruses.  Were there vaccines exactly like the polio vaccine prior to its development? Vaccines have been around for 2 centuries when the small pox vaccine was discovered and created from cowpox blisters found on human hands.

New and better vaccines are being discovered all the time. Zostavax came about in 2006 as a means reducing the severity of shingles. Within not too many years the Shingrex vaccine was developed out of a need for a better shingles vaccine. In the U.S. Shingrex has completely replaced Zostavax because it is far more effective at preventing serious cases of shingles. 

Traditional vaccines put a weakened or inactivated germ into our bodies. Messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines teach our cells how to make a protein that triggers an immune response when someone gets infected.

That particular google doesn't answer the question.

Your point was that we might reasonably guestimate long term side effects based on historical performance.

But there hasn't been an history with mRNA, so that wouldn't work.

That's the real answer.

It's amazing the subjectivity that people are willing to take a leap of faith on.

[IroNat]

Russia and China currently immunize with a non-MRNA Covid vaccine called CoronaVac made by Sinovac in China.

CoronaVac is a traditional non-activated vaccine like the flu vax.

"Sinovac is the dominant vaccine for Brazil, China, Indonesia and Chile (and Russia)."

https://www.deseret.com/coronavirus/2021/7/27/22596483/how-effective-is-chinas-sinovac-vaccine-covid

Novavax is a non-MRNA vaccine made in Maryland currently undergoing approvals for use.

[Howard]

This^    I've had Covid and I am not getting any vaccine.  It simply is not necessary.

Any fair person will admit there is some natural antibody protection for anyone who previously  got covid .
However, it's not as effective as getting a vax.

Now, that the FDA has given full use approval we will see a variety of covid vax mandates for public health .
Obviously, those in your camp, won't like it and complain or protest. That's to be expected.

In the end , most will get the vax, and have no problems . By next yr it will be a non issue for most people.

[Grape Ape]

The latest facts from real life data is :



2. You're 29x more likely to be hospitalized for serious covid illness if you're UN-vaccinated.

This isn't a close call. Get a vax.

Yeah, and THAT real life data for a healthy person is something like this:    .00005% chance of hospitalization vs 29x that number.

In other words, super low probability of either.

With anything, context is key.

But you should stop telling people what to do.  You have no idea of the context of their situation.

[Humble Narcissist]

Any fair person will admit there is some natural antibody protection for anyone who previously  got covid .
However, it's not as effective as getting a vax.

Now, that the FDA has given full use approval we will see a variety of covid vax mandates for public health .
Obviously, those in your camp, won't like it and complain or protest. That's to be expected.

In the end , most will get the vax, and have no problems . By next yr it will be a non issue for most people.

I don't care if having it before is as effective as the vaccine.  I had Covid last week and was not hospitalized.  It is not a death sentence like the media makes it out to be.  Almost everyone recovers just fine.

[IroNat]

Any fair person will admit there is some natural antibody protection for anyone who previously  got covid .
However, it's not as effective as getting a vax.

Now, that the FDA has given full use approval we will see a variety of covid vax mandates for public health .
Obviously, those in your camp, won't like it and complain or protest. That's to be expected.

In the end , most will get the vax, and have no problems . By next yr it will be a non issue for most people.

The FDA has NOT given full approval for the Pfizer vax.

The FDA has only extended the EUA (Emergency Use Authorization) currently in effect.

[Humble Narcissist]

The FDA has NOT given full approval for the Pfizer vax.

The FDA has only extended the EUA (Emergency Use Authorization) currently in effect.

So this means they still can't be sued, right?

[Howard]

The FDA has NOT given full approval for the Pfizer vax.

The FDA has only extended the EUA.

See my above post.

They cut and pasted some FDA statements to try and discredit the full authorization determination.
If you go to the FDA website and read it, you'll see it's NOT the same thing.

[IroNat]

They cut and pasted some FDA statements to try and discredit the full authorization determination.
If you go to the FDA website and read it, you'll see it's NOT the same thing.

Nope, it's the same letter.

https://www.fda.gov/media/150386/download

"On August 23, 2021, having concluded that revising this EUA is appropriate to protect the public
health or safety under section 564(g)(2) of the Act, FDA is reissuing the August 12, 2021 letter
of authorization in its entirety with revisions incorporated to clarify that the EUA will remain in
place for the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine for the previously-authorized indication and
uses, and to authorize use of COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) under this EUA for
certain uses that are not included in the approved BLA."

[Howard]

Nope, it's the same letter.

https://www.fda.gov/media/150386/download

"On August 23, 2021, having concluded that revising this EUA is appropriate to protect the public
health or safety under section 564(g)(2) of the Act, FDA is reissuing the August 12, 2021 letter
of authorization in its entirety with revisions incorporated to clarify that the EUA will remain in
place for the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine for the previously-authorized indication and
uses, and to authorize use of COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) under this EUA for
certain uses that are not included in the approved BLA."

The extended EUA is only for age 12-15 NOT anyone over age 15.
The very next line on the same FDA release states this.
This was a "cut and paste " scam to support misinformation!

[Body-Buildah]

Study: Fully Vaccinated Healthcare Workers Carry 251 Times Viral Load, Pose Threat to Unvaccinated Patients, Co-Workers

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/vaccinated-healthcare-workers-threat-unvaccinated-patients-co-workers/

[OneMoreRep]

Honestly, this is a personal choice.

If any of you feel comfortable entrusting the FDA with what goes into your body in the form of a novel vaccine, go for it. There's nothing wrong with making that choice so as long as you're allowed to have a choice. I respect the ability for those that want a vaccine to get it ASAP. What I don't respect is vaccine mandates.

I also don't think that this is the virus that was meant to take out all humanity. I believe in giving our own immune systems a chance to fight this off and recover accordingly with natural-gained immunity. When COVID first hit the scene and there were no vaccines, this thing wasn't killing millions by the day. People got infected, went through their period of being sick and then recovered. Yes, some died, but that happens with many potent viral infections (the Flu included).

Just keep in mind, whether or not you get the vaccine does not make you any better of a person than the next man. The COVID vaccine won't stop you from getting COVID. The vaccine won't stop you from spreading COVID. The vaccine doesn't guarantee that you won't get sick. The vaccine also won't stop you from dying if you develop COVID complications. It so far looks to improve your chances of fending off a bad infection, but even that comes down to individual physiology. One thing is for sure, I've never seen any other governmental campaign being pushed as hard as this one in my entire life.

Do what you feel is right based on your own extensive research. Ultimately, it's your body and you're the one who will pay for the consequences of getting or not getting the vaccine.

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[Primemuscle]

Still not taking it.

I don't need a reason not to take it. Not taking it is the default position. The only reason to take it comes from institutional and social pressure, not anything from real life. To this day I don't know a single person who has died from this virus, and only know of one person who was in bad health getting particularly ill. I just don't give a fuck. There has not been a single instance that hit home and made me care enough to modify my behavior in any way unless coerced, and it's not like I don't know people who are vulnerable.

Everything about this pandemic including the vaccine stinks so bad you can probably smell the stench from the moon. To say I don't trust the people telling me what to do is an understatement. When they tell me to put something in my body I am running for the hills.

History is filled with diehard hold outs and it rarely works out well for 'em.

I can tell from your post, you really believe in NOT getting a vax.
I know  trying to convince you is pointless.

However, you'll eventually have only 2 choices :
1. Get the vax     or    2. Live in some form of self-imposed isolation

I get the impression , you're not crazy, so you'll reluctantly get the vaccine for practical reasons .
By this time next year, you'll be vaccinated , healthy and fine and this will be a NON issue for you.

Nerdoldnerdith, institutions and social pressures are 'real life' unless you live in a vacuum. In that case, you would have no reason to need this vaccination. 

Chances are, you live in the real world where you have at least some social interaction, such as going to the store to buy groceries. Yes, even most hermits have a little bit of social interaction. It is next to impossible to avoid entirely even if you do what Howard suggests, live in self-imposed isolation. Imagine what could happen if the COVID pandemic gets worse and people are sick and/or dying everywhere you go. The level of panic that would ensue would result in social pressure to get vaccinated like you can't even imagine.   In the real world there are a lot of institutions. A couple of examples of institutions that are nearly impossible to avoid are the legal system and the economy.

When you are unable to make a living, cannot find housing, food other other amenities that you are used to and expect, you might just "give a fuck." Of course, you can always "run for the hills."
 

 

[Howard]

Nerdoldnerdith, institutions and social pressures are 'real life' unless you live in a vacuum. In that case, you would have no reason to need this vaccination. 

Chances are, you live in the real world where you have at least some social interaction, such as going to the store to buy groceries. Yes, even most hermits have a little bit of social interaction. It is next to impossible to avoid entirely even if you do what Howard suggests, live in self-imposed isolation. Imagine what could happen if the COVID pandemic gets worse and people are sick and/or dying everywhere you go. The level of panic that would ensue would result in social pressure to get vaccinated like you can't even imagine.   In the real world there are a lot of institutions. A couple of examples of institutions that are nearly impossible to avoid are the legal system and the economy.

When you are unable to make a living, cannot find housing, food other other amenities that you are used to and expect, you might just "give a fuck." Of course, you can always "run for the hills."

Good post Prime!

The real truth is , many of the "vax-refusal" crowd don't want to leave society.
They just don't want to be "inconvenienced" by anything they don't agree with.

They fail to realize that "freedom" comes with responsibility .
It's immature and selfish to ignore the basic civic duty to our communities  .

As law abiding drivers,  we get a drivers license ,wear seat belts , obey speed limits and avoid driving drunk.
As responsible citizens we pay our taxes, fees,  bills and respect the property rights of others.

We wait in line to enter public events and don't cough ( or fart LOL )in other people's faces.

There are numerous expectations we all agree on for orderly  public interaction and
nobody thinks it's a violation of our freedoms.

We don't live alone and have a  social contract with everyone in our society.
One of those basic agreements is on public health and safety.

Covid is a highly contagious disease and we now have a safe, effective vaccine.
Please consider being a responsible citizen and get the vax.

Thanks.

[Body-Buildah]

Covid is a highly contagious disease and we now have a safe, effective vaccine.
Please consider being a responsible citizen and get the vax.

Thanks.

My friend who just lost her 30 year old daughter to the jab would disagree...

[Howard]

My friend who just lost her 30 year old daughter to the jab would disagree...

I'm sorry for your friend's loss . Thanks for having the courage to share this here.

I know this is getbig, but I refuse to bust your balls and believe you're being honest .

No health measure is perfect and there is nothing I can say to bring back their  daughter.
But, with all due respect, there are many more tragic deaths from covid then from complications of the vaccine.

Again, I really am sorry for your friends loss .

[residue]

My friend who just lost her 30 year old daughter to the jab would disagree...

that didnt happen