Vaccine mandates and the Nurenberg Code

[Al Doggity]

I keep pointing out that it is a very small number of Covid patients that need ICU capacity.  I posted this pic showing there's plenty of capacity.  Quit misstating what I'm saying, like "every" bed needs to be filled or there's "no issue".  Look at this picture, there's tons of capacity in the SoCal region still.  I think you're being duped by cherry picking, but I don't take offense, nor do I harbor any ill will to you. 

Here's an article explaining how ICU calculations are made. It's a formula used to calculate how many patients a hospital can safely handle. It also goes into how and why California's hospital system has been veering away from long hospital stays and steering patients to microfacilities for decades:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/01/why-california-hospitals-overwhelmed-covid/617637/

The shortage of nurses and doctors to take care of all the incoming COVID-19 patients is an even bigger issue than the limited ICU beds, experts told me. Doctors can warehouse patients temporarily in a hospital tent or an empty building, but patients still need someone to come hook up their ventilators and monitor their vital signs.

When some California hospitals closed, their health workers lost their jobs. Add to that a meager number of trainee primary-care doctors and a high cost of living, and “we just don’t have enough doctors, nurses, allied health professionals to take care of everybody here,” Kristof Stremikis, an expert on the state’s health-care system at the California Health Care Foundation, told me. “That’s something that was an issue that we were dealing with before, and that we’ll be dealing with after.”

 Also, here's the link you posted earlier that accompanied that pic. Go back and look at it. Many of those hospitals that have less than 60% capacity don't have any ICU beds at all. One of them I clicked on actually advises you to contact another hospital if you think you're suffering from signs of covid.

https://data.thecalifornian.com/covid-19-hospital-capacity/california/06/los-angeles-county/06037/

You seem like a reasonable person and reasonably discuss things and I have always appreciated your posts.

LOL Appreciate it, but you might be alone in thinking that haha. Maybe you're confusing me with that other poster, Hal Froggity?

[Al Doggity]

I used different sources due to gaps. The govt has budgets.

Original covid is in 2020 spend and 2021 spend
Delta is in 2021 and 2022 spend
Omi is in 2022 spend
Govt decreased spending for FY22 for health as the pandemic got worse.

Using one source EOFY health spend
2022 spend  90.3 (-4%)
2021 spend  93.8 (+8%)
2020 spend  87    (+8% some pandemic)
2019 spend  80.2 (pre pandemic)

Can you post a link to your source? Nothing I'm able to find lines up with this, so I can't really respond.

[Never1AShow]

Here's an article explaining how ICU calculations are made. It's a formula used to calculate how many patients a hospital can safely handle. It also goes into how and why California's hospital system has been veering away from long hospital stays and steering patients to microfacilities for decades:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/01/why-california-hospitals-overwhelmed-covid/617637/

 Also, here's the link you posted earlier that accompanied that pic. Go back and look at it. Many of those hospitals that have less than 60% capacity don't have any ICU beds at all. One of them I clicked on actually advises you to contact another hospital if you think you're suffering from signs of covid.

https://data.thecalifornian.com/covid-19-hospital-capacity/california/06/los-angeles-county/06037/
LOL Appreciate it, but you might be alone in thinking that haha. Maybe you're confusing me with that other poster, Hal Froggity?

This doesn't address my point at all.  I don't care how it's calculated, there's plenty with plenty of room.
 Sure, some are full and some are not.  You've drunk the kool aid.  Nothing is being overwhelmed except the same old shit that's always "understaffed" and "underfunded".  Why not bitch to Gavin Newsom to open some of those other places up to the poor?

[Al Doggity]

This doesn't address my point at all.  I don't care how it's calculated, there's plenty with plenty of room.
 Sure, some are full and some are not.  You've drunk the kool aid.  Nothing is being overwhelmed except the same old shit that's always "understaffed" and "underfunded".  Why not bitch to Gavin Newsom to open some of those other places up to the poor?

What point of yours doesn't it address? That article goes into excruciating detail about how CA hospitals are staffed, why they've historically been staffed that way, why it's been effective for the most part, why they can't treat covid patients when the ICU reaches beyond a certain capacity. So, what point of yours doesn't it address? 

[Mayday]

Can you post a link to your source? Nothing I'm able to find lines up with this, so I can't really respond.

It’ll come up in a google search the same way your other data did.

I took the time to find it to respond, if you can’t, it’s ok don’t sweat it.


I get what you are saying but you have 2 autists pointing out the obvious flaw. The reality is the cause is we are not providing much additional monetary funding to hospitals after nearly 2yrs of pandemic vs how bad they tell us it is.

Therefore things like lack of ICUs, lack of beds, lack of staff are symptoms all stemming from the cause which is lack of funding. The govt cares infinitely more about the banks which is visible by the currency debasement.

You don’t see the govt initiating a plan to QE 120B/mth into the hospital system do you…….

[Never1AShow]

What point of yours doesn't it address? That article goes into excruciating detail about how CA hospitals are staffed, why they've historically been staffed that way, why it's been effective for the most part, why they can't treat covid patients when the ICU reaches beyond a certain capacity. So, what point of yours doesn't it address?

So now you're admitting to empty beds?

[Al Doggity]

It’ll come up in a google search the same way your other data did.

I took the time to find it to respond, if you can’t, it’s ok don’t sweat it.

It didn't come up the same way my other data did and you refusing to post it pretty much confirms to me that it doesn't exist.

I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what that money was supposed to do.

[Al Doggity]

So now you're admitting to empty beds?

   I have REPEATEDLY said that ICUs try to operate under capacity in case of unforeseen emergencies and specifically with covid, since they have to take greater distancing measures  and use more resources. 

One of my first responses to you:

Ok, so it's like I said- the graph is showing the current number of Covid patients, not the total number of ICU patients. That makes a difference. That means that other patients are taking up other beds. ICUs try to operate significantly under capacity , specifically when it comes to something like an ongoing communicable virus, because there's no telling when an unexpected emergency may occur.

[chaos]

Maybe they shouldn't be firing nurses and doctors for refusing their experimental treatment

[Al Doggity]

Maybe they shouldn't be firing nurses and doctors for refusing their experimental treatment

I hear ya. It's crazy that medical facilities overrun with infected patients would take reasonable steps to limit how infectious the staff treating them are. 

[Never1AShow]

  I have REPEATEDLY said that ICUs try to operate under capacity in case of unforeseen emergencies and specifically with covid, since they have to take greater distancing measures  and use more resources. 

One of my first responses to you:

So that's a "YES".  Plenty of beds and ICU space available.  Ran across this link today, it lists staffed ICU beds and hospital beds.  You can filter for any state too.  There's 20% overall ICU capacity and only 27% of ICU beds are COVID people so stop the "full" and "every bed in the country" nonsense:  https://protect-public.hhs.gov/pages/hospital-utilization

[chaos]

I hear ya. It's crazy that medical facilities overrun with infected patients would take reasonable steps to limit how infectious the staff treating them are. 

Yeah it's crazy how those same staff members could work in those facilities and be exposed for months on end, shift after shift BEFORE the poisonous peddled treatment the government is forcing on us and nobody seemed to care.

[Never1AShow]

I hear ya. It's crazy that medical facilities overrun with infected patients would take reasonable steps to limit how infectious the staff treating them are. 

Vaxxed and unvaxxed both spreading it like Covid Marys now.  Besides won't they be masked up and therefore protecting everyone anyway?

[Al Doggity]

So that's a "YES".  Plenty of beds and ICU space available.  Ran across this link today, it lists staffed ICU beds and hospital beds.  You can filter for any state too.  There's 20% overall ICU capacity and only 27% of ICU beds are COVID people so stop the "full" and "every bed in the country" nonsense:  https://protect-public.hhs.gov/pages/hospital-utilization

Saying there are empty beds is not the same thing as saying there are "plenty of available beds".  And again, 27% is a massive percentage for a single cause. I've said this about 3 or 4 times in this thread and i don't think you've addressed it. Do you understand  how big of a health crisis it is when something that didn't even exist  3 years ago now takes up more than a quarter of all icu beds.

[Al Doggity]

Yeah it's crazy how those same staff members could work in those facilities and be exposed for months on end, shift after shift BEFORE the poisonous peddled treatment the government is forcing on us and nobody seemed to care.

No one cared? Because here in New York there was city-wide applause for months at 7pm for some reason. People deified "front-line workers" for some reason. 

2 people  in recent pages are arguing that the massive amounts of  money issued by governments was supposed to be funneled into the healthcare systems instead of remembering that it was actually meant as a temporary stopgap to prop up the economy... under the assumption that people would see how serious things were and eventually act responsibly. No, vaccinated people are not spreading and using hospital resources at the same rate as unvaxxed.

[chaos]

No one cared? Because here in New York there was city-wide applause for months at 7pm for some reason. People deified "front-line workers" for some reason. 

2 people  in recent pages are arguing that the massive amounts of  money issued by governments was supposed to be funneled into the healthcare systems instead of remembering that it was actually meant as a temporary stopgap to prop up the economy... under the assumption that people would see how serious things were and eventually act responsibly. No, vaccinated people are not spreading and using hospital resources at the same rate as unvaxxed.

Those same people applauded in NY for months were vilified and lost their jobs for refusing to work in the same exact environment they had endured for months on end BEFORE the poison was being forced on them. If the government hadn't overreached their abuse of power, the country wouldn't have shut down and the economy wouldn't have needed a huge influx of inflation.

[Mayday]

It didn't come up the same way my other data did and you refusing to post it pretty much confirms to me that it doesn't exist.

I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what that money was supposed to do.

Like I said, don’t sweat it. I don’t spend time debating with people who won’t put in effort so issa gunna be ok mate.

[Al Doggity]

Those same people applauded in NY for months were vilified and lost their jobs for refusing to work in the same exact environment they had endured for months on end BEFORE the poison was being forced on them. If the government hadn't overreached their abuse of power, the country wouldn't have shut down and the economy wouldn't have needed a huge influx of inflation.

They were applauded for working in an unsafe environment. They were derided for failing to help maintain a safe environment. Events were already shutting down before the government stepped in. Nba playoffs were cancelled, my job had already issued indefinite telecommuting guidelines before  NYC declared emergency.

[Al Doggity]

Like I said, don’t sweat it. I don’t spend time debating with people who won’t put in effort so issa gunna be ok mate.

No one's sweating it. It just doesn't exist. Posting stats you referenced on a message board isn't a tall or unreasonable order.

[Never1AShow]

Saying there are empty beds is not the same thing as saying there are "plenty of available beds".  And again, 27% is a massive percentage for a single cause. I've said this about 3 or 4 times in this thread and i don't think you've addressed it. Do you understand  how big of a health crisis it is when something that didn't even exist  3 years ago now takes up more than a quarter of all icu beds.

What spare capacity do they normally have during non-Covid times?  Do they run at 80%, 70, 60, 50?  What?

20% capacity of staffed beds is plenty.  This is NOT filling up ICU beds.  And they can easily add another 20% or more surge capacity if they need to.  They did it last winter and do it all the time.  Matt showed this (22 beds increased to 27 then back down to 22)

[chaos]

They were applauded for working in an unsafe environment. They were derided for failing to help maintain a safe environment. Events were already shutting down before the government stepped in. Nba playoffs were cancelled, my job had already issued indefinite telecommuting guidelines before  NYC declared emergency.

Claiming that taking the governments poison is maintaining a "safe environment" is false, if you can get the rona, spread the rona and die from the rona all while fully loaded with the experimental treatment, it's not a safe environment, it's no different than before their poison.

[Zillotch]

there is no talking to tards... particularly 'vaxtards'.

people cant b bothered to actually use their mind and break free from establishment brainwashing – they don't have that power, so they bow down to b spoon fed damnation like the indoctrinated, media saturated lemmings that they r.

so goes the satanic clown world.

once altered... there is no coming back.

Just Say No.

[Al Doggity]

What spare capacity do they normally have during non-Covid times?  Do they run at 80%, 70, 60, 50?  What?

20% capacity of staffed beds is plenty.  This is NOT filling up ICU beds.  And they can easily add another 20% or more surge capacity if they need to.  They did it last winter and do it all the time.  Matt showed this (22 beds increased to 27 then back down to 22)

Look at the numbers
81146 total beds / 6162 total hospitals=13 beds per hospital
66441 total occupied beds/ 6162 hospitals=11 patients  in each ICU
3.5 covid cases of 11 patients at each hospital
At every hospital in the state. 

Are you really trying to argue these stats wouldnt concern any hospital administrator?

[Al Doggity]

Claiming that taking the governments poison is maintaining a "safe environment" is false, if you can get the rona, spread the rona and die from the rona all while fully loaded with the experimental treatment, it's not a safe environment, it's no different than before their poison.

It is statistically accurate, especially for a medical environment. There are side effects to every medical procedure and medication. You can die from getting a tooth pulled. Medical error is one of the biggest causes of death and it is medical personnel's responsibility to limit risk, which the vaccine does. It is statistically undeniable that creates a safer environment.

[Al Doggity]

there is no talking to tards... particularly 'vaxtards'.

Just Say No.

Vaxtards? Meanwhile, your whole schtick seems to be "DON'T GET JABBED OR JESUS WILL BE MAD"    Respectfully, shut the fuck up.