Author Topic: stirring the pot...... (Read 20777 times)

jaejonna · « **Reply #25 on:** April 25, 2006, 08:14:52 AM »

Ronnies Back is the best ever, but in the Lat (minus traps and erectors) dept. Haney Owns everyone....

jaejonna · « **Reply #26 on:** April 25, 2006, 08:23:13 AM »

here are pics... thanks IRONAGE.US

Al-Gebra · « **Reply #27 on:** April 25, 2006, 08:25:38 AM »

Umm . . Haney's traps don't look too shabby there, or even next to Yates, who had some monster traps.

nicorulez · « **Reply #28 on:** April 25, 2006, 09:58:24 AM »

ND, LH shits all over Yates. His lats start at his ass literally. They flare better than Yates and he has better thickness. I give you the lower back, but the rest is no contest.
BTW, the guest posing pic of Yates is "in excellent lighting." No shit sherlock. Put a 286 pound shredded Ronnie in similar lighting and he would massacre Yates. You are so self-contradictory that is getting laughable. Ronnie crushes Yates and only you and few fellow blind mice continue to disagree. You bitch about the lighting in a pro show (1999 English), but post one pic of Yates in excellent lighting that is flattering. BTW, Ronnie not only crushes him in the upper body, his hams, thighs and glutes are far superior. Yates has him in calves.....BFD.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #29 on:** April 25, 2006, 10:48:10 AM »

Quote from: nicorulez on April 25, 2006, 09:58:24 AM

ND, LH shits all over Yates. His lats start at his ass literally. They flare better than Yates and he has better thickness. I give you the lower back, but the rest is no contest.
BTW, the guest posing pic of Yates is "in excellent lighting." No shit sherlock. Put a 286 pound shredded Ronnie in similar lighting and he would massacre Yates. You are so self-contradictory that is getting laughable. Ronnie crushes Yates and only you and few fellow blind mice continue to disagree. You bitch about the lighting in a pro show (1999 English), but post one pic of Yates in excellent lighting that is flattering. BTW, Ronnie not only crushes him in the upper body, his hams, thighs and glutes are far superior. Yates has him in calves.....BFD.

First of all Yates beat Haney in the muscularity round in this contest , a feat I might add no one was able to do up until that point , and I never said Yates was better in this contest , I said he was holding is own against one of the best Mr Olympias , Yates lats insert near his waist was well , so whats your point?

And put a 286lb Ronnie is great lighting and he would massacre a 255lbs Dorian Yates lmfao wow that was moron statement of the month , thats like saying " put a 269lbs Dorian against a 230lb Ronnie and Dorian would massacre him "

whats a moronic statement , the great lighting would highlite Ronnie's pregnant gut really well , and Ronnie at 287lbs is NO WHERE near as dry as Dorian in that picture , and once again you're like Hulkster , you think bigger equates better , it doesn't , Ronnie looked so much better at 250lbs than he ever did at 287lbs , so keep fantasizing that a 287lb Ronnie was eatting your banana !!

nicorulez · « **Reply #30 on:** April 25, 2006, 01:04:31 PM »

Wrong, wrong, wrong. Coleman at 2003 in his condition (screw the gut, his chest was over 60 inches easy) would have destroyed Yates in any condition. Haney, too, would have massacred him. Yates started a new trend with big guts and big everything else. So Coleman has carried this forward. Why is it that you hate Coleman and drool over Yates. His conditioning in the Mr. Olympia's was anything but awe inspiring. Often, he came in looking fat or bloated. His back is undeniably great, but his arms, waist, thighs, and hams were not in Coleman's league. In fact, if his back were average, he would have placed fourth at best in his run of Mr. Olympia's. Nothing about the dude from the front is impressive. Look at the relaxed pic I showed; it looks like shit. And yes, why the hell not put a 286 pound Coleman against Yates. You put a 240 pound young Coleman against Yates in your back double bi pic. What is stupid about this statement. You are the quintessential idiot. I used to respect your posts, but now I see you have no more sense than GMCtruck or Swallowmyload or whatever the hell his name is. This back shits on Yates.

nicorulez · « **Reply #31 on:** April 25, 2006, 01:05:41 PM »

And this pose also. Look at the arms and thickness. That is sick.

Hulkster · « **Reply #32 on:** April 25, 2006, 02:51:27 PM »

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Why is it that you hate Coleman and drool over Yates.

and don't forget he drools (cums?) all over Zane and Revees too.

doesn't make any sense.

Then again, neither does saying Dorian has better overall arms than Ronnie

Hulkster · « **Reply #33 on:** April 25, 2006, 02:53:46 PM »

Quote from: natural al on April 25, 2006, 05:35:23 AM

I like how hulkster always says "pre gut ronnie" but then goes on to post pics of post tear Dorian..Kinda a double standard, don't ya think?

no, because ND and the Yates followers have claimed many times that the 1995 version of Yates was his best ever (I believe even Dorian stated this).

So, post tear it is.

Makes it easier for Ronnie (the guy with arguably the best biceps ever) to smoke him.

Hulkster · « **Reply #34 on:** April 25, 2006, 02:59:52 PM »

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and once again you're like Hulkster , you think bigger equates better , it doesn't , Ronnie looked so much better at 250lbs than he ever did at 287lbs , so keep fantasizing that a 287lb Ronnie was eatting your banana !!

when did I ever say that? I was never a fan of the 287 pound Ronnie.

I think he set some standards for bodyparts at that weight:

eg. arms:

and back width (his rear lat spread in 2003 was far and above the greatest ever).

But, his obliques hung over his trunks at that show.

the 250 pound Ronnie was better overall.

Hulkster · « **Reply #35 on:** April 25, 2006, 03:10:24 PM »

Are you sure this dorian pic isn't morphed with respect to the biceps?

Look at his right one - it is completely horizontal on top - looks fishy.

That is the FIRST time I have ever been able to see Dorian's biceps decently in a back double biceps shot.

compare the top pic to this one something is fishy.

every dorian shot shows invisible biceps, except that top one...

hmmmmm....

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #36 on:** April 25, 2006, 03:47:39 PM »

Quote from: nicorulez on April 25, 2006, 01:04:31 PM

Wrong, wrong, wrong. Coleman at 2003 in his condition (screw the gut, his chest was over 60 inches easy) would have destroyed Yates in any condition. Haney, too, would have massacred him. Yates started a new trend with big guts and big everything else. So Coleman has carried this forward. Why is it that you hate Coleman and drool over Yates. His conditioning in the Mr. Olympia's was anything but awe inspiring. Often, he came in looking fat or bloated. His back is undeniably great, but his arms, waist, thighs, and hams were not in Coleman's league. In fact, if his back were average, he would have placed fourth at best in his run of Mr. Olympia's. Nothing about the dude from the front is impressive. Look at the relaxed pic I showed; it looks like shit. And yes, why the hell not put a 286 pound Coleman against Yates. You put a 240 pound young Coleman against Yates in your back double bi pic. What is stupid about this statement. You are the quintessential idiot. I used to respect your posts, but now I see you have no more sense than GMCtruck or Swallowmyload or whatever the hell his name is. This back shits on Yates.

Again you keep going on about 2003 Ronnie , he was amazing huge , very muscular , his conditioning in 2003 was soft especially compared to 1998 Ronnie , and his balance & proportion were at an all time low , his gut was the largest of ANY Mr Olympia winner , his muscle separtion was way off , you're obsessed with quantity and could care less about quality your opinion would have more validity if you picked a 1998/99 Ronnie or 2001 ASC , but you fall flat on your face thinking 2003 Ronnie is better than any of those shapes , nevermind Dorian's best.

LuciusFox · « **Reply #37 on:** April 25, 2006, 03:50:33 PM »

Dorian's bi's were clearly photoshopped in those pics

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #38 on:** April 25, 2006, 03:53:55 PM »

This pic is not photoshopped , I scaned this pic from I believe Ironman magazine's coverage .

LuciusFox · « **Reply #39 on:** April 25, 2006, 03:56:18 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on April 25, 2006, 03:53:55 PM

This pic is not photoshopped , I scaned this pic from I believe Ironman magazine's coverage .

You lost some credibility after you posted that morphed picture of Yates's lat spread and claimed you scanned it

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #40 on:** April 25, 2006, 04:09:05 PM »

Quote from: LuciusFox on April 25, 2006, 03:56:18 PM

You lost some credibility after you posted that morphed picture of Yates's lat spread and claimed you scanned it

I'll accept your apology when you're man enough to give it , I NEVER posted that pic

someone else did and I looked qucik and thought it was mine , so nice try and I'll wait for your apology.

LuciusFox · « **Reply #41 on:** April 25, 2006, 04:10:03 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on April 25, 2006, 04:09:05 PM

I'll accept your apology when you're man enough to give it , I NEVER posted that pic someone else did and I looked qucik and thought it was mine , so nice try and I'll wait for your apology.

I'll die before I apologize to you

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #42 on:** April 25, 2006, 04:13:14 PM »

Quote from: LuciusFox on April 25, 2006, 04:10:03 PM

I'll die before I apologize to you

lol Hulkster was actually quilty of posting photoshopped pics

Hulkster · « **Reply #43 on:** April 25, 2006, 05:18:01 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on April 25, 2006, 04:13:14 PM

lol Hulkster was actually quilty of posting photoshopped pics

name one.

ronnie is so good at times that he doesn't NEED to be photoshopped.

Triple-H_2005 · « **Reply #44 on:** April 25, 2006, 05:40:52 PM »

The really funny thing is that some of you actually believe that athetes from 3 different eras can be equally compared.

Haney and Dorian v. '92 were pre insulin/GH explosion. No, I'm not so naive that I believe Haney didn't use GH, but not in the amounts used from '93 on.

While my opinion may be unsubstantiated, but I am sure that Ronnie (with Chad's help) made a similar chemical quantum leap in '98-'00.

Let's put our cocks away and compare apples to apples.

FREAKgeek · « **Reply #45 on:** April 25, 2006, 05:51:53 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on April 25, 2006, 01:53:04 AM

Here is Yates going toe to toe with Haney and for you to say his back double bicep shot is subpar is nonsense , Dorian has a much better lowerback than Lee and comparable width & thickness , if you notice Yates doesn't really raise his arms up when doing this pose , he keeps his fists about eye level , I think it would be more effective if he rasied them higher , but he is more than holding his own with the legend .

I just don't like Dorian's symmetry. The right deltoids and biceps have more development and peak from his respective left, and the spinal erectors are weird shaped. Haney is owning him here (which you didn't refute) but I don't think you chose a good pic to support your argument.

SDMF · « **Reply #46 on:** April 25, 2006, 06:00:33 PM »

I don't think Yates will be remebered as a legend by his on-stage posing, but by his training, hard work, desire and determination, THAT is what separated him rom the field

Hulkster · « **Reply #47 on:** April 25, 2006, 06:13:56 PM »

Quote from: FREAKgeek on April 25, 2006, 05:51:53 PM

I just don't like Dorian's symmetry. The right deltoids and biceps have more development and peak from his respective left, and the spinal erectors are weird shaped. Haney is owning him here (which you didn't refute) but I don't think you chose a good pic to support your argument.

actually, its pretty hard to support the argument that Dorian had an outstanding back double biceps. It was not nearly as good as his rear lat spread, and far below Coleman's, Flex's, Robby Robinson's and even Arnold's for that matter. It was not as good as Albert Beckles was, not as good as Samir's.

Which is fine - not everyone has a rear double biceps pose that is better than those listed above.

but it does prove one thing: no way in hell can Yates have the "greatest back of all time" -

HowieW · « **Reply #48 on:** April 25, 2006, 06:18:02 PM »

Quote from: nicorulez on April 25, 2006, 01:05:41 PM

And this pose also. Look at the arms and thickness. That is sick.

Yes, one of the thickest and widest ever, no question, BUT...he lacks the incredible seperation he exhibted when he won the ASC at a slightly lighter body wt.
Howard

LuciusFox · « **Reply #49 on:** April 25, 2006, 06:28:22 PM »

Quote from: HowieW on April 25, 2006, 06:18:02 PM

Yes, one of the thickest and widest ever, no question, BUT...he lacks the incredible seperation he exhibted when he won the ASC at a slightly lighter body wt.
Howard

Post your pic. I'll bet Ronnie's bigger than you