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Re: +1 to the Jan 6 count
« Reply #600 on: December 01, 2022, 01:37:17 PM »
It isn’t partisan.  There could be more Repubs but they choose not to participate with worthwhile contributions.

You obviously don’t understand the point of an “investigation” and a “trial”.  Learn that then come back.

McCarthy nominated five Republicans and all five were rejected.  Democrats only wanted a couple of RINOs, which they got. 

GOP Leader McCarthy Taps 5 Republicans To Serve On Jan. 6 Select Committee
July 19, 2021
https://www.npr.org/2021/07/19/1018136264/gop-leader-mccarthy-taps-5-republicans-to-serve-on-jan-6-select-committee

And you clearly don't understand what a "trial" is.  A trial is where both sides present their case, both sides have lawyers, there is cross-examination, etc.  These hearing didn't have any of that. 

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Re: +1 to the Jan 6 count
« Reply #601 on: December 01, 2022, 04:19:25 PM »
McCarthy nominated five Republicans and all five were rejected.  Democrats only wanted a couple of RINOs, which they got. 

GOP Leader McCarthy Taps 5 Republicans To Serve On Jan. 6 Select Committee
July 19, 2021
https://www.npr.org/2021/07/19/1018136264/gop-leader-mccarthy-taps-5-republicans-to-serve-on-jan-6-select-committee

And you clearly don't understand what a "trial" is.  A trial is where both sides present their case, both sides have lawyers, there is cross-examination, etc.  These hearing didn't have any of that.

He nominated scum.  Which was rejected accordingly.

McCarthy had a chance to submit evidence to the committee and to testify.  He refused.

Because this hearing is not a trial.  Which is EXACTLY what I pointed out.   ::)

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Re: +1 to the Jan 6 count
« Reply #602 on: December 01, 2022, 04:30:41 PM »
He nominated scum.  Which was rejected accordingly.

McCarthy had a chance to submit evidence to the committee and to testify.  He refused.

Because this hearing is not a trial.  Which is EXACTLY what I pointed out.   ::)

You said Republicans chose not to participate.  That is false as I just showed you. 

What was McCarthy supposed to submit and testify about?  They should have appointed the members he recommended who have called witnesses, presented evidence, and actually asked tough questions of witnesses.  That didn't happen.  So stop trying to lecture Coach about not understanding an investigation and trial when you are lying about Republicans choosing not to participate and don't know what the heck you're talking about regarding the hearing. 

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Re: +1 to the Jan 6 count
« Reply #603 on: December 01, 2022, 04:39:34 PM »
Dodged the worst charge, but still catching the others.  Guess who won't be voting in the election?

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Titusville Oath Keeper Kenneth Harrelson, on trial with Stewart Rhodes, the far-right militia group's founder, was acquitted in federal court Tuesday of the rare charge of seditious conspiracy for his alleged role in the Jan. 6 Capitol assault.

However, a jury of seven men and five women, found Harrelson along with Rhodes and three other co-defendants in the case all guilty of obstructing an official proceeding of Congress and other lesser charges.

While he was acquitted of the most serious charge, Harrelson, 42, still faces substantial prison time. Two of the charges he was convicted of carry maximum penalties of 20 years in prison, while the third carries a maximum sentence of six years.
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Re: +1 to the Jan 6 count
« Reply #604 on: December 01, 2022, 04:45:43 PM »
You said Republicans chose not to participate.  That is false as I just showed you. 

What was McCarthy supposed to submit and testify about?  They should have appointed the members he recommended who have called witnesses, presented evidence, and actually asked tough questions of witnesses.  That didn't happen.  So stop trying to lecture Coach about not understanding an investigation and trial when you are lying about Republicans choosing not to participate and don't know what the heck you're talking about regarding the hearing.

No it is not false.  They were invited to have people on the committee with the exception of idiots like Jordan.  After the idiots were cut they did not offer any alternatives nor accept any offered to them.

McCarthy was served a subpoena so he could have testified with anything he thought to be truthful or submitted the documents they requested.  He didn't do either.   You  must have missed that being in the news.   ::)

Looks like you have to try harder at being "dishonest" and calling me a liar huh?   ::) 

Oh, so now it is a "hearing" and not a "trial" that you said I stated?   ::)  "Stop trying to lecture someone"  about not knowing the difference between an investigation, hearing and trial when obviously you can't even prove they do.   ::) 


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Re: +1 to the Jan 6 count
« Reply #605 on: December 01, 2022, 04:52:46 PM »
No it is not false.  They were invited to have people on the committee with the exception of idiots like Jordan.  After the idiots were cut they did not offer any alternatives nor accept any offered to them.

McCarthy was served a subpoena so he could have testified with anything he thought to be truthful or submitted the documents they requested.  He didn't do either.   You  must have missed that being in the news.   ::)

Looks like you have to try harder at being "dishonest" and calling me a liar huh?   ::) 

Oh, so now it is a "hearing" and not a "trial" that you said I stated?   ::)  "Stop trying to lecture someone"  about not knowing the difference between an investigation, hearing and trial when obviously you can't even prove they do.   ::)

So they were invited to have members on the committee, but only the members Pelosi wanted, while she rejected the members that were actually submitted.  lol  Are you serious?  You auditioning to replace the Village Idiot?  When you get it wrong just admit it already.  Or you can keep lying about it.   

You have no clue what a real investigation, hearing, or trial looks like, so just stop already. 

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Re: +1 to the Jan 6 count
« Reply #606 on: December 01, 2022, 05:05:38 PM »
So they were invited to have members on the committee, but only the members Pelosi wanted, while she rejected the members that were actually submitted.  lol  Are you serious?  You auditioning to replace the Village Idiot?  When you get it wrong just admit it already.  Or you can keep lying about it.   

You have no clue what a real investigation, hearing, or trial looks like, so just stop already.

You are trying hard - and failing - to make a point.  Either you having a severe reading comprehension problem or you are just trying (and failing) to split words with what I said.  Either way, try harder. 


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Re: +1 to the Jan 6 count
« Reply #607 on: December 01, 2022, 05:13:52 PM »
You said Republicans chose not to participate.  That is false as I just showed you. 

What was McCarthy supposed to submit and testify about?  They should have appointed the members he recommended who have called witnesses, presented evidence, and actually asked tough questions of witnesses.  That didn't happen.  So stop trying to lecture Coach about not understanding an investigation and trial when you are lying about Republicans choosing not to participate and don't know what the heck you're talking about regarding the hearing.

And then there is this: Some Republicans called for McCarthy to boycott the committee, arguing that appointing GOP members would give credibility to an investigation that they hoped to paint as partisan.

And this: Of the Republicans McCarthy chose for the committee, Banks, Jordan and Nehls were part of 139 House Republicans who voted to overturn the 2020 presidential results in Arizona and Pennsylvania. Banks and Jordan signed onto the Texas lawsuit seeking to invalidate the ballots of millions of voters in four battleground states, which the Supreme Court ruled against.

But not to worry, McCarthy said House Republicans intend to review the findings of the January 6th committee. In other words a new committee to investigate the current committee.



And so on and so forth from here to eternity.

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Re: +1 to the Jan 6 count
« Reply #608 on: December 01, 2022, 05:16:38 PM »
And then there is this: Some Republicans called for McCarthy to boycott the committee, arguing that appointing GOP members would give credibility to an investigation that they hoped to paint as partisan.

And this: Of the Republicans McCarthy chose for the committee, Banks, Jordan and Nehls were part of 139 House Republicans who voted to overturn the 2020 presidential results in Arizona and Pennsylvania. Banks and Jordan signed onto the Texas lawsuit seeking to invalidate the ballots of millions of voters in four battleground states, which the Supreme Court ruled against.

But not to worry, McCarthy said House Republicans intend to review the findings of the January 6th committee. In other words a new committee to investigate the current committee.



Wait.  You mean the investigation?  Or the trial?  Or the hearing?  We gotta know exactly which one that these FACTS apply to.

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Re: +1 to the Jan 6 count
« Reply #609 on: December 01, 2022, 05:28:21 PM »
You have no clue what a real investigation, hearing, or trial looks like, so just stop already.

What does a real investigation, hearing, or trial look like? Does this House Committee have the legal authority/consequences the Department of Justice or court trail has? Can this Committee determine someone's guilt or innocence and either lock them up or let them go free? What they can do is make recommendations which is nothing more than suggestions which can be acted on or ignored. 

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Re: +1 to the Jan 6 count
« Reply #610 on: December 01, 2022, 05:32:49 PM »
What does a real investigation, hearing, or trial look like? Does this House Committee have the legal authority/consequences the Department of Justice or court trail has? Can this Committee determine someone's guilt or innocence and either lock them up or let them go free? What they can do is make recommendations which is nothing more than suggestions which can be acted on or ignored.

The funny thing is he tried to defend Qoach's lack of knowledge about a "trial" and the mechanics of one and J6 being one, by splitting words that I never said to say I didn't know what I was talking about.  When clearly it was the opposite.    :D

Weak sauce.

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Re: +1 to the Jan 6 count
« Reply #611 on: December 01, 2022, 05:35:13 PM »
You are trying hard - and failing - to make a point.  Either you having a severe reading comprehension problem or you are just trying (and failing) to split words with what I said.  Either way, try harder.

Smart people make mistakes.  When they do, they admit them.  Try and be a smart person, particularly since you spend a disproportionate amount of your time here calling Coach stupid. 

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Re: +1 to the Jan 6 count
« Reply #612 on: December 01, 2022, 05:39:14 PM »
And then there is this: Some Republicans called for McCarthy to boycott the committee, arguing that appointing GOP members would give credibility to an investigation that they hoped to paint as partisan.

And this: Of the Republicans McCarthy chose for the committee, Banks, Jordan and Nehls were part of 139 House Republicans who voted to overturn the 2020 presidential results in Arizona and Pennsylvania. Banks and Jordan signed onto the Texas lawsuit seeking to invalidate the ballots of millions of voters in four battleground states, which the Supreme Court ruled against.

But not to worry, McCarthy said House Republicans intend to review the findings of the January 6th committee. In other words a new committee to investigate the current committee.



And so on and so forth from here to eternity.

And?  Lurker said Republicans chose not to participate.  That is a lie. 

And Coach is right about this committee being a sham.  It's a joke.  No reasonable person who isn't a partisan hack takes that committee seriously. 

And Lurker does not know the difference between an investigation, a hearing, or a trial, or what a fair process looks like.  But you folks don't care about fairness.  So long as we persecute the bad orange man. 

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Re: +1 to the Jan 6 count
« Reply #613 on: December 01, 2022, 05:40:03 PM »
Smart people make mistakes.  When they do, they admit them.  Try and be a smart person, particularly since you spend a disproportionate amount of your time here calling Coach stupid.

Obviously you are not smart then.  Or else you wouldn't have tried this hard - and failed this badly - in your attempt to play word games.  Maybe next time you should try to stick with things I actually said and not things that I didn't.  You may have better luck.  Well, not really but you can try.

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Re: +1 to the Jan 6 count
« Reply #614 on: December 01, 2022, 05:41:37 PM »
What does a real investigation, hearing, or trial look like? Does this House Committee have the legal authority/consequences the Department of Justice or court trail has? Can this Committee determine someone's guilt or innocence and either lock them up or let them go free? What they can do is make recommendations which is nothing more than suggestions which can be acted on or ignored.

All of them allow due process.  Basic due process includes notice of what you are being accused of and an opportunity to be heard and defend yourself. 

This process had none of that.  That's why the woman who claimed Trump choked his secret service agent was able to make her ridiculous accusations, unchallenged.  Nobody cross-examined her.  Trump was not allowed to have his lawyers participate.  It's a joke.   

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Re: +1 to the Jan 6 count
« Reply #615 on: December 01, 2022, 05:42:54 PM »
And?  Lurker said Republicans chose not to participate.  That is a lie. 

No it is not.  They had an opportunity.  They offered idiots and scrubs and failed to render anyone of substance.  That is NOT a lie.  Try again.

And Coach is right about this committee being a sham.  It's a joke.  No reasonable person who isn't a partisan hack takes that committee seriously. 

Qoach said it was a trial.  It is NOT.  Try again.

And Lurker does not know the difference between an investigation, a hearing, or a trial, or what a fair process looks like.  But you folks don't care about fairness.  So long as we persecute the bad orange man.

Apparently I do.  Because despite your lie, I never called it a trial.  Try again.

Did I say try again yet?

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Re: +1 to the Jan 6 count
« Reply #616 on: December 01, 2022, 05:43:09 PM »
Obviously you are not smart then.  Or else you wouldn't have tried this hard - and failed this badly - in your attempt to play word games.  Maybe next time you should try to stick with things I actually said and not things that I didn't.  You may have better luck.  Well, not really but you can try.

You do not admit when you're wrong.  It does not make you look smart.  But you're young.  There is still hope for you.  Give it a try once.  It's liberating.  And you'll be smarter because of it. 

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Re: +1 to the Jan 6 count
« Reply #617 on: December 01, 2022, 05:45:12 PM »
You do not admit when you're wrong.  It does not make you look smart.  But you're young.  There is still hope for you.  Give it a try once.  It's liberating.  And you'll be smarter because of it.

First I would actually have to be wrong.  You know... like you are here.   :D

Try sticking with the argument and facts.  "You'll be smarter for it".   Well, probably not.  But "give it a try".

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Re: +1 to the Jan 6 count
« Reply #618 on: December 01, 2022, 06:40:38 PM »
If you knew the difference between a trial and a committee hearing would come up, then you do understand that there is a distinction between the two. I explained the division to you because I thought it was obvious you didn't know that there was one. Were you ‘faking’ it?

LOL! Now you are telling me what I am trying to say? This is a hoot because I am trying to say or rather saying nothing of the kind.

You may not agree with the House Committee's proceedings or the process they are using, but there is nothing fake about it.

Here's a primer for you on Congressional Hearings:

"A hearing is a meeting or session of a Senate, House, joint, or special committee of Congress, usually open to the public, to obtain information and opinions on proposed legislation, conduct an investigation, or evaluate/oversee the activities of a government department or the implementation of a federal law. In addition, hearings may also be purely exploratory in nature, providing testimony and data about topics of current interest."

https://www.govinfo.gov/help/chrg

The courts had nothing to do with Trump being impeached by the House either of the two times. The way it works is the House twice impeached him and the Senate twice acquitted him.  Moreover, the Senate stated that Trump's impeachment trial was constitutional.

FYI, this was also how Clinton and Johnson's impeachments played out. The House impeached them, and the Senate acquitted them. Trump is the only one of the three Presidents to be impeached twice.

Good thing you are a high school football coach and not a high school history teacher or a college political science professor. Unfortunately, political science isn't taught in high school. If it were, maybe folks like you would have at least a smattering of knowledge about U.S. government processes.

There are some folks who claim many people should not have the right to vote (because they are too ignorant). If I remember correctly, you once said this. Maybe they and you are right and people with no knowledge of how the U.S. government works should not be allowed to vote. Also, maybe folks like Trump who lack this basic knowledge should not be allowed to run for a political office, specially not the U.S. President.

So you think legal scholars are wrong, liberal ones at that, and you’re right? Got it!

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Re: +1 to the Jan 6 count
« Reply #619 on: December 01, 2022, 07:05:54 PM »
So you think legal scholars are wrong, liberal ones at that, and you’re right? Got it!

Which liberal scholars?  Jonathan Turley?  He jumped the shark long ago. 

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Re: +1 to the Jan 6 count
« Reply #620 on: December 02, 2022, 05:52:19 AM »
So you think legal scholars are wrong, liberal ones at that, and you’re right? Got it!

No, we just KNOW that YOU are wrong.  Just like always.  You don't have a clue to half of the bullshit you type.  When it is explained to you, you still don't understand.  Which is why you continue to whine that nobody answers questions, when it is plainly obvious you can't understand simple answers you were given.  You are just a stupid stupid person.  As pointed out on this board every single day.  Your intellect is laughable. 

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Re: +1 to the Jan 6 count
« Reply #621 on: December 02, 2022, 06:45:30 AM »
So you think legal scholars are wrong, liberal ones at that, and you’re right? Got it!

why waste your time with low IQ bitches and losers in life like GroomingForBoys ?
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Re: +1 to the Jan 6 count
« Reply #622 on: December 02, 2022, 07:12:50 AM »
All the lies about the stolen election, communism and child sex rings made him act this way.  He was detached from reality.   :'(

January 6th - this is what a revolution looks like
December 1 (coming soon) - this is what a jail looks like

But Trumpy will take care of this.  He said so.    He will visit and put some money on the books for the comm store purchases.  Wait.... he has to grift some donations first.

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Prosecutors say SC man played “key role” in Jan. 6 Capitol riot, seek 4 years in prison.

Federal prosecutors say in a new court filing that Donald Trump supporter George Tenney III, of Anderson, played a “key role” in the Jan. 6 assault on the U.S. Capitol and are asking a judge to sentence him to four years in prison.

Tenney, 36, “forced open the rotunda doors for the first time, allowing approximately 48 rioters to enter – rioters who then fanned out throughout the Capitol, destroying property and assaulting police and threatening members of Congress, their staff and other persons lawfully inside the Capitol that day,” federal prosecutors said in a memo to the judge filed earlier this week.

Tenney, who in June pleaded guilty to civil disorder and obstructing an official proceeding, will be sentenced Monday in Washington, D.C. He faces up to 20 years in prison on the civil disorder charge and five years on the obstructing charge.

Also this week Tenney said in a court filing he now blames the former president and others for spreading lies and conspiracy theories that the 2020 election had been stolen by Democrats.

Federal prosecutors say in a new court filing that Donald Trump supporter George Tenney III, of Anderson, played a “key role” in the Jan. 6 assault on the U.S. Capitol and are asking a judge to sentence him to four years in prison.

Tenney, 36, “forced open the rotunda doors for the first time, allowing approximately 48 rioters to enter – rioters who then fanned out throughout the Capitol, destroying property and assaulting police and threatening members of Congress, their staff and other persons lawfully inside the Capitol that day,” federal prosecutors said in a memo to the judge filed earlier this week.

Tenney, who in June pleaded guilty to civil disorder and obstructing an official proceeding, will be sentenced Monday in Washington, D.C. He faces up to 20 years in prison on the civil disorder charge and five years on the obstructing charge.

Also this week Tenney said in a court filing he now blames the former president and others for spreading lies and conspiracy theories that the 2020 election had been stolen by Democrats.

“Like most of the people protesting in the Capitol on Jan. 6, he (Tenney) believed in dangerous and false narratives, picked up through internet chats, podcasts and the words of high-level government officials, including the President of the United States,” Tenney’s lawyers said in a defense memo to Judge Thomas Hogan asking for leniency.

Tenney’s filing seeking leniency was unusual in that it also contains a personal letter from him clearly admitting he was duped and blaming Trump and like-minded others for spreading lies about a stolen election.

“I let one man’s rhetoric and lies bring me to a place that couldn’t be more far from reality,” Tenney wrote in his letter. “How do I tell my 9-year-old daughter and 6-year-old son... their dad messed up so gad that I wouldn’t be in their lives for sometime?”

Tenney’s admission made national news this week.

On Thursday morning, CNN ran a story with the chyron “Rioter seeking leniency: I let one man’s lies detach me from reality” and quoted Tenney’s letter: “I did get caught up in all the lies and made-up news going around, from politicians/celebrities in child sex rings, corruption allegations, supposed communism, to election fraud.”

Tenney’s filing said his participation in the Jan. 6 riot has resulted in the “complete dismantling” of his personal and business life.

“At the time, he had a good job working for Sysco, making a good salary with benefits and a retirement plan. His employment with Sysco started in 2018 and had come about after 17 years working as a chef for country clubs and restaurants in South Carolina, Arizona, Oregon and North Carolina,” the filing said.

Sysco fired him and “all of that is gone now as he tries to make ends meet as the owner, cook and operator at a small take-out restaurant in Anderson.”

Tenney’s memo also says his encounters with law enforcement on Jan. 6 were attempts to defuse the situation and he was not trying to hurt anyone. He is “profoundly remorseful” for his actions, the filing says.

Evidence against Tenney includes a video tape from Capitol police surveillance video taken on Jan. 6 around 2:25 pm — less than 10 minutes after the initial breach — shows Tenney opening doors to the rotunda, helping rioters enter the Capitol and then confronting two Capitol police officers and a member of the House Sergeant at Arms staff, according to court records filed this week.

Until Tenney opened the rotunda doors from the inside, rioters had been outside, pummeling officers with sticks, fists, flag poles, and tear gas, according to the prosecution memo. As Tenney was trying to open the doors, he fought off an officer who was trying to stop him, the prosecution’s memo says.

Prosecutors said Tenney “was the original instigator of one of the two largest breaches of the Capitol building that day. Because of Tenney, dozens of rioters entered the Capitol. Police were assaulted. Congress was threatened. Property was damaged. Democracy was put on hold.”

Right after the breach, Tenney was filmed rejoicing and saying, “We are inside the Capitol Building. It has been overrun. The Capitol building has literally been broken into. This is what a revolution ... looks like!” according to the prosecution memo.

Prosecutors also say Tenney continued to spread conspiracy theories and false information about the riot even after it happened. The falsehoods included that the rioters included a special undercover military unit working for Trump, that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi had attempted a coup and that Trump had “declared an insurrection.”

Tenney also warned a contact to prepare for martial law and to stockpile survival supplies and said, “The election was stolen, everyone knows it in politics and military,” prosecutors said.

Nearly 900 people have been arrested in the Jan. 6 breach of the Capitol, in what officials have said is the largest criminal case ever brought by the Department of Justice in U.S. history. The FBI is searching for hundreds more who remain at large. More than 100 police were injured and rioters succeeded in forcing Congress to flee the Capitol, putting a temporary halt to a ceremonial counting of electoral votes that gave Joe Biden the presidency.

More than 60 court challenges were filed in swing states alleging voting fraud after the 2020 election, and all but one — an incident in Pennsylvania that would not have influenced the election outcome — were tossed out of court for lack of evidence.

Trump’s former attorney general, Bill Barr, admitted to an Associated Press reporter in December 2020 that a canvas of the states after the 2020 election found no significant election fraud anywhere in the country.

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Re: +1 to the Jan 6 count
« Reply #623 on: December 02, 2022, 12:16:55 PM »
No, we just KNOW that YOU are wrong.  Just like always.  You don't have a clue to half of the bullshit you type.  When it is explained to you, you still don't understand.  Which is why you continue to whine that nobody answers questions, when it is plainly obvious you can't understand simple answers you were given.  You are just a stupid stupid person.  As pointed out on this board every single day.  Your intellect is laughable.

You know what to do and how to it. You just keep ducking the process to be humiliated and you damn well know it.

As for me calling it a “trial” how many times have I said “hearings”? Go ahead and lie

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Re: +1 to the Jan 6 count
« Reply #624 on: December 02, 2022, 12:29:42 PM »
You know what to do and how to it. You just keep ducking the process to be humiliated and you damn well know it.

As for me calling it a “trial” how many times have I said “hearings”? Go ahead and lie

Boo-Hoo.   Fragile X getting frustrated.

How many times have you said it was fake?  And you still go ahead and lie.