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Re: assisted suicides in Canada
« Reply #50 on: September 01, 2022, 04:54:09 AM »
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« Reply #51 on: September 01, 2022, 06:42:05 AM »
Brad Delp (From the band "Boston") lived up the street from me a bit (5 minute drive).
He used a car, some hoses and a couple of charcoal grills...

https://www.guitarworld.com/news/brad-delp-details-emerge-about-his-tragic-suicide

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« Reply #52 on: September 01, 2022, 08:08:06 AM »
Ok ..   how much / many Secobarbital do I take to die? ( that’s all I need to know now )  https://www.patientsrightscouncil.org/site/2017-summary-of-drugs-used-for-doctor-prescribed-suicide/ Ok now I know what to take and how much …. How do you get these drugs?     

I don't know how easy barbiturates are to get ahold of since benzos are less dangerous and have essentially replaced them. Alright, what drugs are in the system of patients in the hospital when dying? A benzo like midazolam and a pain killer like oxycodone or fentanyl. They crank them up when a patient is "close". I'm sure you've read of the devastating impact fentanyl is having and I'm sure you've heard of Oxy. Very easy to OD.

What do addicts on the strdet OD on? Heroin. BUT most of the time they have benzos like Valium or Xanax in their system which they use to potentiate the opiates. Benzos by themselves aren't very deadly but when combined with an opiate like Heroin or Oxycontin they enhance the respiratory depression.

So you just stop breathing. I can't see it being painful with all those painkillers and antianxiety medicines in your system.

Isn't a single tablet of 80 milligrams of Oxycontin potentially deadly if you have no tolerance? A few of those and a high dose of Xanax and you should be good to go. Fentanyl should be even easier to die from. Although if I were to do it I would research to make sure I took enough.

All of this is common knowledge for many/most so I don't feel like I'm giving any new ideas. Plus you say this is only for theoretical knowledge for some possible far off scenario.

This is why I feel sorry for people who go through a horribly violent or painful death.

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Re: assisted suicides in Canada
« Reply #53 on: September 01, 2022, 08:40:00 AM »
Brad Delp (From the band "Boston") lived up the street from me a bit (5 minute drive).
He used a car, some hoses and a couple of charcoal grills...

https://www.guitarworld.com/news/brad-delp-details-emerge-about-his-tragic-suicide

Your average person today just doesn't want to work at it.

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Re: assisted suicides in Canada
« Reply #54 on: September 01, 2022, 08:59:24 AM »
Your average person today just doesn't want to work at it.

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He lived 6 houses up from my sister. We'd always see him around, quiet guy, but friendly. (We'd always go see his local band "BeatleJuice" (Beatles Covers) when they played the clubs around here).
He got into some trouble w/ a younger gal (family friend) who was staying with him. (He planted a spy-cam in her room) and he couldn't deal with the guilt when he was caught.
(Probably had some other issues going on).

He sure put some t hought into that suicide. A shame, a great musical talent... (With many demons apparently).

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Re: assisted suicides in Canada
« Reply #55 on: September 01, 2022, 12:19:58 PM »
Isn't a single tablet of 80 milligrams of Oxycontin potentially deadly if you have no tolerance?

Ingested orally, an average sized adult man or larger should be able to survive 80mg. It would be incredibly strong though.

At 160mg, I would think that would at the least, put many opiate-naive men into a coma.

I was given a Percocet prescription in 2011. It was amazing. Maybe I need to kick back with a few Percs one night. Or a quarter of an Oxy 80. Drinking doesn't do it for me, THC doesn't do it for me...basically nothing does it for me. That Percocet prescription was the most pleasant substance experience of my life. Almost all the rest suck, IMO. I wish I could smoke THC, but it makes me way too paranoid. I find alcohol disgusting.

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Re: assisted suicides in Canada
« Reply #56 on: September 01, 2022, 12:21:37 PM »
He lived 6 houses up from my sister. We'd always see him around, quiet guy, but friendly. (We'd always go see his local band "BeatleJuice" (Beatles Covers) when they played the clubs around here).
He got into some trouble w/ a younger gal (family friend) who was staying with him. (He planted a spy-cam in her room) and he couldn't deal with the guilt when he was caught.
(Probably had some other issues going on).

He sure put some t hought into that suicide. A shame, a great musical talent... (With many demons apparently).

Hang on...this guy?!


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Re: assisted suicides in Canada
« Reply #57 on: September 01, 2022, 12:34:10 PM »
I don't know how easy barbiturates are to get ahold of since benzos are less dangerous and have essentially replaced them. Alright, what drugs are in the system of patients in the hospital when dying? A benzo like midazolam and a pain killer like oxycodone or fentanyl. They crank them up when a patient is "close". I'm sure you've read of the devastating impact fentanyl is having and I'm sure you've heard of Oxy. Very easy to OD.

What do addicts on the strdet OD on? Heroin. BUT most of the time they have benzos like Valium or Xanax in their system which they use to potentiate the opiates. Benzos by themselves aren't very deadly but when combined with an opiate like Heroin or Oxycontin they enhance the respiratory depression.

So you just stop breathing. I can't see it being painful with all those painkillers and antianxiety medicines in your system.

Isn't a single tablet of 80 milligrams of Oxycontin potentially deadly if you have no tolerance? A few of those and a high dose of Xanax and you should be good to go. Fentanyl should be even easier to die from. Although if I were to do it I would research to make sure I took enough.

All of this is common knowledge for many/most so I don't feel like I'm giving any new ideas. Plus you say this is only for theoretical knowledge for some possible far off scenario.

This is why I feel sorry for people who go through a horribly violent or painful death.
…….I don’t have access or know anyone who does to “ street drugs “ also I want to take the guesswork out of it ( you may die or you may end up in a coma) also don’t want to just start violently throwing up either …..or wake up in some hospital “ sir you overdosed “let’s get you some mental health”…. I just need “ you take so many milligrams of this drug (which you can purchase here) and you will 100% go to sleep and never wake up! …. Then just have it for when the time is right ..  thought about a gun but that’s too violent And messy! .. plus you could survive it and be paralyzed or something …. In Switzerland you pay a few thousand dollars and a Dr puts you to sleep forever ….. that’s what I’m looking for

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« Reply #58 on: September 01, 2022, 01:06:51 PM »
you would go Hypoglycemic…. Don’t think you would die however …. (You ever go hypoglycemic? It’s not fun nor is it painless)
The key would be to inject all over your body. smaller doses of insulin absorb faster than a larger one in one site. 10iu in ten places of Regular Insulin in a fasted person might do it.

My 12 year old is type one btw so I use it all the time on them. Even different sites affect absorption from my experience.

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Re: assisted suicides in Canada
« Reply #59 on: September 01, 2022, 01:11:31 PM »
Suicide can be risky. Many people try and end up debilitated but alive.
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Re: assisted suicides in Canada
« Reply #60 on: September 01, 2022, 01:24:42 PM »
Suicide can be risky. Many people try and end up debilitated but alive.
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Re: assisted suicides in Canada
« Reply #61 on: September 01, 2022, 01:39:54 PM »
I would do a trifecta of pills, carbon monoxide and a toaster bath. Just trying to make sure the mission is completed with no hiccups.

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« Reply #62 on: September 01, 2022, 02:03:26 PM »
He lived 6 houses up from my sister. We'd always see him around, quiet guy, but friendly. (We'd always go see his local band "BeatleJuice" (Beatles Covers) when they played the clubs around here).
He got into some trouble w/ a younger gal (family friend) who was staying with him. (He planted a spy-cam in her room) and he couldn't deal with the guilt when he was caught.
(Probably had some other issues going on).

He sure put some t hought into that suicide. A shame, a great musical talent... (With many demons apparently).

That's too bad.  Great voice.

That first Boston album was fantastic.

Saw Boston on their first tour in a big arena.

Good but hard to match the album.  Also I may not have been stoned enough to appreciate.

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« Reply #63 on: September 01, 2022, 02:04:10 PM »
I understand the desire for the right to die in cases where you have a terminal condition or where the aging process is to the point that life is no longer living. However, it is becoming clear that the Canadian medical system is starting to pressure people into choosing suicide when they really don't want it, for cost savings reason.

Assisted suicide, like just about every other issue I can think of, is a legitimate issue that gets manipulated by politicians and others who are clearly anti-libertarian.

I do not trust anyone in any position of authority who is not libertarian.

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« Reply #64 on: September 01, 2022, 02:06:58 PM »
I understand the desire for the right to die in cases where you have a terminal condition or where the aging process is to the point that life is no longer living. However, it is becoming clear that the Canadian medical system is starting to pressure people into choosing suicide when they really don't want it, for cost savings reason.

Assisted suicide, like just about every other issue I can think of, is a legitimate issue that gets manipulated by politicians and others who are clearly anti-libertarian.

I do not trust anyone in any position of authority who is not libertarian.

It's a slippery slope.  Soon they'll be requiring "suicide".

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« Reply #65 on: September 01, 2022, 07:58:28 PM »
The key would be to inject all over your body. smaller doses of insulin absorb faster than a larger one in one site. 10iu in ten places of Regular Insulin in a fasted person might do it.

My 12 year old is type one btw so I use it all the time on them. Even different sites affect absorption from my experience.

I wouldn't trust 100iu doing it. I had a friend who did 300iu in a suicide attempt. Passed out, woke up sweaty. I remember way back I saw a study on pubmed where some lady had taken 600iu. She went to the hospital, had some glucose I guess, I forget what they said regarding treatment. Glucagon is usually given as well I guess. Doctors notes said, "patient is lucid, is outside smoking a cigarette."

Insulin is always said to be so deadly, that bodybuilders should be extremely careful with it. I agree, you should be careful, you don't want to end up a statistic. But how many bodybuilders have died from insulin?! I can't think of a single one, these stories would have ended up on the bb forums.

I sometimes liked to induce hypoglycemia for fun and to eat a lot. I would take say Novorapid at 20iu and sit myself in front of the fridge. I would cruise getbig and maybe after 45 minutes I would start sweating a bit. Then another 45 minutes would go by and then I was ready to eat to say the least. One time the 2 meter hop to the fridge was painful, took a lot of effort. I realised I had pushed too much but the food was goood. Anything and everything, fatty and sugary, everything went in the mouth at the same time lol. It "resets" your neurotransmitters and you feel good. They used to do insulin induced hypoglycemia in mental hospitals. When the patient was passing out they would admin glucose through a feeding tube. When it a bit more stable they let the patients eat, pancakes and orange juice or whatever. Main side effect was drastic weight gain  :D

I took some Toujeo today, which is a longer acting Lantus, because I'm using MK-677. I took just 30iu before going to sleep but I had only eaten maybe 100 carbs during the day. I trust these longer acting insulins will wake me up before trouble. I did wake up a few times and had a glass of orange juice. Was a bit shaky upon waking though  :D

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« Reply #66 on: September 01, 2022, 08:03:49 PM »
…….I don’t have access or know anyone who does to “ street drugs “ also I want to take the guesswork out of it ( you may die or you may end up in a coma) also don’t want to just start violently throwing up either …..or wake up in some hospital “ sir you overdosed “let’s get you some mental health”…. I just need “ you take so many milligrams of this drug (which you can purchase here) and you will 100% go to sleep and never wake up! …. Then just have it for when the time is right ..  thought about a gun but that’s too violent And messy! .. plus you could survive it and be paralyzed or something …. In Switzerland you pay a few thousand dollars and a Dr puts you to sleep forever ….. that’s what I’m looking for

Yeah though I don't like these "hospital" settings or hospices or ehatever they use and being surrounded by docs and nurses. I've thought about how I would like to do it. Perhaps in nature. Perhaps on a mountaintop where "friends" could then put my corpse in a freaking bonfire  :D

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« Reply #67 on: September 01, 2022, 09:28:19 PM »
I wouldn't trust 100iu doing it. I had a friend who did 300iu in a suicide attempt. Passed out, woke up sweaty. I remember way back I saw a study on pubmed where some lady had taken 600iu. She went to the hospital, had some glucose I guess, I forget what they said regarding treatment. Glucagon is usually given as well I guess. Doctors notes said, "patient is lucid, is outside smoking a cigarette."

Insulin is always said to be so deadly, that bodybuilders should be extremely careful with it. I agree, you should be careful, you don't want to end up a statistic. But how many bodybuilders have died from insulin?! I can't think of a single one, these stories would have ended up on the bb forums.

I sometimes liked to induce hypoglycemia for fun and to eat a lot. I would take say Novorapid at 20iu and sit myself in front of the fridge. I would cruise getbig and maybe after 45 minutes I would start sweating a bit. Then another 45 minutes would go by and then I was ready to eat to say the least. One time the 2 meter hop to the fridge was painful, took a lot of effort. I realised I had pushed too much but the food was goood. Anything and everything, fatty and sugary, everything went in the mouth at the same time lol. It "resets" your neurotransmitters and you feel good. They used to do insulin induced hypoglycemia in mental hospitals. When the patient was passing out they would admin glucose through a feeding tube. When it a bit more stable they let the patients eat, pancakes and orange juice or whatever. Main side effect was drastic weight gain  :D

I took some Toujeo today, which is a longer acting Lantus, because I'm using MK-677. I took just 30iu before going to sleep but I had only eaten maybe 100 carbs during the day. I trust these longer acting insulins will wake me up before trouble. I did wake up a few times and had a glass of orange juice. Was a bit shaky upon waking though  :D
They injected a guy with a crazy amount of Regular insulin for a study and had to monitor him for over a week and infuse glucose the whole time. The huge dose in one injection took days to release fully into his system since his blood sugar was still dropping low every time they figured they had corrected it enough.

I think it would have a lot to do with your body weight and insulin sensitivity as far a dying from it. I’m only used to barely using any on my 12 year old so that’s all I have experience with. 100iu in ten different places would fuck them up big time since they rarely use more than 5iu at a time now to bolus.

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« Reply #68 on: September 01, 2022, 10:48:04 PM »
They injected a guy with a crazy amount of Regular insulin for a study and had to monitor him for over a week and infuse glucose the whole time. The huge dose in one injection took days to release fully into his system since his blood sugar was still dropping low every time they figured they had corrected it enough.

I think it would have a lot to do with your body weight and insulin sensitivity as far a dying from it. I’m only used to barely using any on my 12 year old so that’s all I have experience with. 100iu in ten different places would fuck them up big time since they rarely use more than 5iu at a time now to bolus.

How much basal in a day? Once or twice daily?

Bodybuilders can handle a lot especially if they have no restrictions on carb intake. GH "helps" in this case since it induces resistance. Some of guys with Milos do 100iu of fast acting a day IV! Then other camps do a lot of basal Lantus as well, easily 100iu sometimes double that. Then the Humalog on top. I've done 60 Lantus and 60-80 Novorapid no problem and I didn't even use GH. But yeah my sensitivity probably wasn't that great. If I kept a steady stream of carbs coming I didn't even notice it. It doesn't do a whole lot for me but it does something. Say if you load carbs the day before an attempted PR session it does help you get full and swollen and strong. :D Strangely my worst hypo episodes have been after drinking whey protein, no insulin added. ???

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« Reply #69 on: September 01, 2022, 10:49:09 PM »
…….I don’t have access or know anyone who does to “ street drugs “ also I want to take the guesswork out of it ( you may die or you may end up in a coma) also don’t want to just start violently throwing up either …..or wake up in some hospital “ sir you overdosed “let’s get you some mental health”…. I just need “ you take so many milligrams of this drug (which you can purchase here) and you will 100% go to sleep and never wake up! …. Then just have it for when the time is right ..  thought about a gun but that’s too violent And messy! .. plus you could survive it and be paralyzed or something …. In Switzerland you pay a few thousand dollars and a Dr puts you to sleep forever ….. that’s what I’m looking for

I think it's sad that both you and I have thought about this topic in such great detail like this, Mike. But hey - who wants to go through the potential end-of-life trauma that you have described?

A friend of mine said it would only take $60 of Fentanyl to kill an adult male who is naive to it. I would probably get $180 worth just to be certain.

I would hate to try something that leaves me with brain damage or major organ damage, or something like that, but still alive. Especially given that all my current [mostly former] woes are mental. I would hate to do something that actually gives me a real physical reason to hate my life.

Lately I've been thinking - I'm lucky to be so physically well. I hope my mental well-being gets back on track. My cycle helped me a lot. Nasser El Sonbaty said in one of his bodybuilding.com interviews that he felt anabolic steroids should be prescribed for depression, rather than SSRI's.

I'd have to agree with Nasser about that!

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« Reply #70 on: September 01, 2022, 10:51:42 PM »
The key would be to inject all over your body. smaller doses of insulin absorb faster than a larger one in one site. 10iu in ten places of Regular Insulin in a fasted person might do it.

My 12 year old is type one btw so I use it all the time on them. Even different sites affect absorption from my experience.

I had no idea you have a 12-year-old, jwb! I do too - as well two girls, 13 and 5.

It's nice to be a dad.

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« Reply #71 on: September 01, 2022, 11:01:31 PM »
I understand the desire for the right to die in cases where you have a terminal condition or where the aging process is to the point that life is no longer living. However, it is becoming clear that the Canadian medical system is starting to pressure people into choosing suicide when they really don't want it, for cost savings reason.

Assisted suicide, like just about every other issue I can think of, is a legitimate issue that gets manipulated by politicians and others who are clearly anti-libertarian.

I do not trudst anyone in any position of authority who is not libertarian.

That's exactly it.

In 2021, Canada had around 303,000 total deaths, and 10,700 of them were from the MAID program [Medical Assistance In Dying].

Our "free" taxpayer-funded socialized medical system is clearly overwhelmed, yet our politicians won't/can't talk about it.

Blaming Covid was just a red herring. If anything, Covid alleviated burden on the Canadian healthcare system because people who needed to go to the Emergency Room for heart attacks and other acute medical issues would stay home because they were scared of catching Covid at the hospital.

All Canadian hospitals were empty during the pandemic. I first saw a video of someone filming an empty hospital, then went to peek into my hospital's completely empty ER [normally, there is a six hour wait].

Later, the hospital put curtains on that ER, because people were filming it being empty, and circulating the videos online.

During all that time, politicians were lying through their teeth about hospitals being overwhelmed. Utter BALDERDASH.

On top of that, hospitals were receiving $10,000+ in federal transfer payments from taxpayers for each fake Covid case they declared.

Covid did nothing to overwhelm our hospitals. They have been increasingly overwhelmed in Canada since 1998, and are now on the verge of collapse.

Canadian politicians are full of shit - just like when American politicians say "White Supremacist" groups are the biggest threat to democracy.

I wish the lies would stop, but it seems like the politicians not only won't speak the truth, but actually can't speak it, for whatever reasons.

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« Reply #72 on: September 01, 2022, 11:03:10 PM »
I think it's sad that both you and I have thought about this topic in such great detail like this, Mike. But hey - who wants to go through the potential end-of-life trauma that you have described?

A friend of mine said it would only take $60 of Fentanyl to kill an adult male who is naive to it. I would probably get $180 worth just to be certain.

I would hate to try something that leaves me with brain damage or major organ damage, or something like that, but still alive. Especially given that all my current [mostly former] woes are mental. I would hate to do something that actually gives me a real physical reason to hate my life.

Lately I've been thinking - I'm lucky to be so physically well. I hope my mental well-being gets back on track. My cycle helped me a lot. Nasser El Sonbaty said in one of his bodybuilding.com interviews that he felt anabolic steroids should be prescribed for depression, rather than SSRI's.

I'd have to agree with Nasser about that!

Proviron has been compared to antidepressants and was supposedly more effective than antidepressants. It's easy to believe. One problem is that depression is often coupled with anxiety and panic disorder, like for me. Steroids often cause anxiety and panic anxiety which is the worst shit you can imagine. It's pretty common actually. Most common culprits are trenbolone and boldenone. Lots of bodybuilders have started on SSRIs at least partly due to steroids. I remember one "European" cycle example in MM2K had Prozac in the plan. Prozac was started just before getting off the cycle to counter the ensuing depression.

Proviron is a nice mood booster. An added bonus is that it's not supposed to shut down your test production unlike everything else. So it's like taking (neuro)steroids with little to no sides. Doesn't do much if anything for muscle growth but it improves mood and gives you a crazy sex drive.

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« Reply #73 on: September 01, 2022, 11:15:41 PM »
I sometimes liked to induce hypoglycemia for fun and to eat a lot. I would take say Novorapid at 20iu and sit myself in front of the fridge. I would cruise getbig and maybe after 45 minutes I would start sweating a bit. Then another 45 minutes would go by and then I was ready to eat to say the least. One time the 2 meter hop to the fridge was painful, took a lot of effort. I realised I had pushed too much but the food was goood. Anything and everything, fatty and sugary, everything went in the mouth at the same time lol. It "resets" your neurotransmitters and you feel good. They used to do insulin induced hypoglycemia in mental hospitals. When the patient was passing out they would admin glucose through a feeding tube. When it a bit more stable they let the patients eat, pancakes and orange juice or whatever. Main side effect was drastic weight gain  :D

Van,

Out of curiosity...now that my mini-Anadrol cycle is winding down...if I learn to use insulin safely [very important], could I run an Insulin only cycle after?

Just with it being so cheap and available...can it be used on its own?

Are there any risks to that if done safely - like risks to my pancreas?

Would it mess up my hormones, which would presumably be coming back into balance, now that I plan to stop the Anadrol and not use PCT?

Is there any benefit in running some insulin?

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« Reply #74 on: September 01, 2022, 11:16:47 PM »
Yeah though I don't like these "hospital" settings or hospices or ehatever they use and being surrounded by docs and nurses. I've thought about how I would like to do it. Perhaps in nature. Perhaps on a mountaintop where "friends" could then put my corpse in a freaking bonfire  :D

When they move you to the hospice, is that the medical staff basically saying "You're about to die?"