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Re: Robby Robinson is a national treasure 🏆 (maybe not)
« Reply #75 on: January 03, 2023, 10:24:12 PM »
LOL at Getbiggers attacking someone just because he has strong opinions! Good for Robby to speak out. By the way, back in the seventies Robby amazed everyone with his wide back and peaked biceps. How Zane beat him is a mystery. No wonder Robby is pissed off. Black guys have to be way better to win the Olympia. I mentioned that to Dexter and he agreed with me. We were with Jay Cutler before he won the Olympia. At my home in 1974 I asked Arnold what he thought about Sergio Oliva. "He's a pig." What about Robby Robinson? "He's a pig." What about Bill Grant? "He's a pig." I asked about a couple more well known black guys and got the same answer from Arnold..."All pigs." So I told Arnold he was racially prejudiced. "No, I just don't like any of doze guys!" Several people were there to witness Arnold's comments.

Truth is Joe Weider was a bull shitter. He exaggerated his important and didn't properly pay for bodybuilding champions who were featured in his magazines approving his products. Dave Draper got robbed. Clancy Ross died a pauper in a retirement home. Mike Mentzer was smarter than most and used the free advertising to promote himself and his products. Joe would give advertising space instead of money to most of the champions endorsing his products. Yes, Joe used Robby for sure. Robby has every right to be pissed off.

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Re: Robby Robinson is a national treasure 🏆 (maybe not)
« Reply #76 on: January 04, 2023, 12:55:01 AM »
LOL at Getbiggers attacking someone just because he has strong opinions! Good for Robby to speak out. By the way, back in the seventies Robby amazed everyone with his wide back and peaked biceps. How Zane beat him is a mystery. No wonder Robby is pissed off. Black guys have to be way better to win the Olympia. I mentioned that to Dexter and he agreed with me. We were with Jay Cutler before he won the Olympia. At my home in 1974 I asked Arnold what he thought about Sergio Oliva. "He's a pig." What about Robby Robinson? "He's a pig." What about Bill Grant? "He's a pig." I asked about a couple more well known black guys and got the same answer from Arnold..."All pigs." So I told Arnold he was racially prejudiced. "No, I just don't like any of doze guys!" Several people were there to witness Arnold's comments.

Truth is Joe Weider was a bull shitter. He exaggerated his important and didn't properly pay for bodybuilding champions who were featured in his magazines approving his products. Dave Draper got robbed. Clancy Ross died a pauper in a retirement home. Mike Mentzer was smarter than most and used the free advertising to promote himself and his products. Joe would give advertising space instead of money to most of the champions endorsing his products. Yes, Joe used Robby for sure. Robby has every right to be pissed off.

Fuck off retard.
Bill Grant was a friend of Arnold's & you're essentially calling Arnold a racist.

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Re: Robby Robinson is a national treasure 🏆 (maybe not)
« Reply #77 on: January 04, 2023, 08:28:12 AM »
Fuck off retard.
Bill Grant was a friend of Arnold's & you're essentially calling Arnold a racist.

Yep! That was 49 years ago. I distinctly remember mentioning Sergio and Robby. I also mentioned a few other black bodybuilders but can't be certain if Bill Grant was one of them.

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Re: Robby Robinson is a national treasure 🏆 (maybe not)
« Reply #78 on: January 04, 2023, 08:31:22 AM »
Most bodybuilders make money from schmoe-ho-ing.  Bodybuilders are the laziest things on the planet.

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Re: Robby Robinson is a national treasure 🏆 (maybe not)
« Reply #79 on: January 04, 2023, 08:38:29 AM »
Vince B was is your opinion of 2:33?



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Re: Robby Robinson is a national treasure 🏆 (maybe not)
« Reply #80 on: January 04, 2023, 08:59:06 AM »
Yep! That was 49 years ago. I distinctly remember mentioning Sergio and Robby. I also mentioned a few other black bodybuilders but can't be certain if Bill Grant was one of them.

So, why did you say Arnold said that about Bill Grant if you're not sure?

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Re: Robby Robinson is a national treasure 🏆 (maybe not)
« Reply #81 on: January 04, 2023, 09:13:36 AM »
So, why did you say Arnold said that about Bill Grant if you're not sure?
^^^^THIS

Plus Vince hates Frank Zane with an unbridled passion.

Black guys got a far better shake in the IFBB than the AAU......Harold Poole,Oliva,Rock Stonewall,and Ken Covington should all have won a slew of big AAU contestds  but the Nazi homo Hoffman was a racist not Weider,bur Weider did exploit guys bigtime......the cheap billionaire that he was.

The only reason Jim Morris and Chris Dickerson won a lot was--------------- fill in the blanks.

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Re: Robby Robinson is a national treasure 🏆 (maybe not)
« Reply #82 on: January 04, 2023, 09:30:26 AM »
Robinson was just a bodybuilder.  Yes he was a great one but still, that isn't all that great outside of the area of consideration.  As I said, he was polite to me when I met him but that doesn't mean I don't think he was foolish for not preparing for this stage of his life.  It happens to a lot of us.

Bill Pettis is a prime example of living for the moment even if that moment is just plain useless.


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Re: Robby Robinson is a national treasure 🏆 (maybe not)
« Reply #83 on: January 04, 2023, 11:07:39 AM »
So, why did you say Arnold said that about Bill Grant if you're not sure?

I simply mentioned all the top black guys competing in the early seventies. Bill may have been one mentioned. Point is Arnold called all of them ‘pigs’. What would you call someone who said that?

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« Reply #84 on: January 04, 2023, 11:17:10 AM »
^^^^THIS

Plus Vince hates Frank Zane with an unbridled passion.

Black guys got a far better shake in the IFBB than the AAU......Harold Poole,Olica,Rock Stonewall,and Ken Covington should all have won a slew of big AAU contest  but the Nazi homo Hoffman was a racist not Weider,bur Weider did exploit guys bigtime......the cheap billionaire that he was.

The only reason Jim Morris and Chris Dickerson won a lot was--------------- fill in the blanks.


I don’t like Zane. That is true. Bodybuilding to me is first about getting big arms, etc. Zane never matched Robby’s size.

Weider did whatever he had to do to make money. The AAU Mr America contest was a disgrace. Too many weak winners and blacks totally overlooked until 1970.

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Re: Robby Robinson is a national treasure 🏆 (maybe not)
« Reply #85 on: January 04, 2023, 11:22:43 AM »

I don’t like Zane. That is true. Bodybuilding to me is first about getting big arms, etc. Zane never matched Robby’s size.

Weider did whatever he had to do to make money. The AAU Mr America contest was a disgrace. Too many weak winners and blacks totally overlooked until 1970.

now we know where bhanks obsession with arms come from...our own vince b...

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Re: Robby Robinson is a national treasure 🏆 (maybe not)
« Reply #86 on: January 04, 2023, 11:48:59 AM »
now we know where bhanks obsession with arms come from...our own vince b...

Too bad vince b only taught him to supinate one arm

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Re: Robby Robinson is a national treasure 🏆 (maybe not)
« Reply #87 on: January 04, 2023, 12:30:00 PM »
LOL at Getbiggers attacking someone just because he has strong opinions! Good for Robby to speak out. By the way, back in the seventies Robby amazed everyone with his wide back and peaked biceps. How Zane beat him is a mystery. No wonder Robby is pissed off. Black guys have to be way better to win the Olympia. I mentioned that to Dexter and he agreed with me. We were with Jay Cutler before he won the Olympia. At my home in 1974 I asked Arnold what he thought about Sergio Oliva. "He's a pig." What about Robby Robinson? "He's a pig." What about Bill Grant? "He's a pig." I asked about a couple more well known black guys and got the same answer from Arnold..."All pigs." So I told Arnold he was racially prejudiced. "No, I just don't like any of doze guys!" Several people were there to witness Arnold's comments.

Truth is Joe Weider was a bull shitter. He exaggerated his important and didn't properly pay for bodybuilding champions who were featured in his magazines approving his products. Dave Draper got robbed. Clancy Ross died a pauper in a retirement home. Mike Mentzer was smarter than most and used the free advertising to promote himself and his products. Joe would give advertising space instead of money to most of the champions endorsing his products. Yes, Joe used Robby for sure. Robby has every right to be pissed off.


Vince, this story doesn't sound true at all.

Many people closer to Arnold than you have talked about how much he respected Sergio.

Bill Grant and Arnold are well known to be friends.

He may have called Robbie a pig. But so what You can be critical of a person regardless of their race. Just because a person that you don't like happens to be black doesn't mean your a racist.

By the sounds of it Robbie is a pretty toxic person. A narcissist who feels the world owes him something.

Ive read dozens and dozens of stories about Arnold, not mention all the interviews of his friends and documentaries etc...what you're saying doesn't sound like anything ever attributed to him before.

I'm not accusing you of lying. But maybe you're not remembering it correctly or its out of context. You just randomly asked him about 3 black guys and he laughed and called them all pigs? Or is there something else to the story?

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Re: Robby Robinson is a national treasure 🏆 (maybe not)
« Reply #88 on: January 04, 2023, 02:12:20 PM »
More from the book, on Arnold, and a few other things -

Robbie feels Arnold should've helped him earlier with Weider/IFBB. The Stan is Stan Morey, AAU big wig  -

 "Stan would go on to become one of the top promoters for the AAU in Florida and fight for me so I could compete and enter some of the AAU competitions that had turned me away. Stan pushed me to join the Weider bodybuilders in Los Angeles, California, not Joe Weider, as it was to be published in magazines for years.

Stan’s support enhanced my presence and notoriety. He would later make a call to Arnold about this incredible black bodybuilder who was destined for greater things. He called Arnold as a friend asking him to set up an appointment with Joe Weider. It never happened."

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More Arnold and Weider Stuff. The Dave mentioned is Dave Johns -

"When I asked the guys at Pearl’s gym if they agreed, I got a unanimous “no.” They told me straight out that Weider was a nice guy to only a few, and that he was really only supporting Arnold. Dave chose not to compete in the Weider’s IFBB and remained amateur, staying with the AAU federation.

He told me point blank that if I went, it would be like putting a noose around my neck, because Joe had never supported a black bodybuilder, not even Sergio. Their reasons kept me right where I was. But I still wanted the Mr. America title."

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Robbie meeting Arnold and crew -

"When I returned the next day, and Big Red acknowledged me with only a nod, I walked through the gym and approached Denny Gable. Denny was the most welcoming in the group. There was an honesty in his manner. I had seen Denny in the magazines and thought hewas the most photogenic bodybuilder of them all. His handsome face, that often graced the covers of Muscle Builder, resembled Clark Gable’s - so much that he was known within the group as Clark’s illegitimate son. He downplayed his good looks, which made him seem more humble and sincere.

Denny welcomed my company, and within a couple of minutes, asked if I wanted to train with him. This came as a shock, because he was training with Arnold. When Arnold didn’t object, I knew the reigning Mr. Olympia saw me as a good challenge."

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Robbie's buddy -

"As fate had it, in those first days of training, I met a man by the name of Mike Armstrong. Originally from Florida, he was an aspiring bodybuilder at Gold’s. He hadn’t quit his day job as a teacher in the Los Angeles Unified school system to chase his dreams. He welcomed me to stay in his apartment right on the Venice boardwalk, so that I could be near Gold’s.

His kindness went far beyond a roof over my head; if Mike ate steak, Robby ate steak. I was finding out that Florida guys always helped each other out. Mike made me feel like there were no color lines between us."

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Arnold being nice -

"I could actually feel people’s envy. I was part of a mob family and Arnold, sitting at the head of the table, with his loud and generous manner, was the Don. He would always be the one to pull out his gold card to pay for our orders of ground beef, eggs and toast."

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Meeting Weider for the first time, Weider tells him to go back to college, then offers -

"With this he said, “Well, I’m not going to be able to help you. But I can pay you $50 for photo shoots and $50 more to put your name on an article and if you want a job in my warehouse, I can set that up. Call Gene Mozee to meet for a photo shoot.”

The warehouse job is $200/wk, Robbie takes it. Claims the pay often bounced, and you were expected to schmoe on the side to make ends meet. You could go to gay mansion parties a couple of times a month if that was your thing.

Also claims Joe and Ben played good cop/bad cop during negotiations Joe was the nice guy, Ben the taskmaster.

Claims Joe sounded like the Penguin from the 1960s Batman show. 

Joe gave him the "Black Prince" nickname while at the Mr World show.

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Robbie's real beef with Arnold starts when the bodybuilders start to try and Unionize and Arnold sided with Weider, and during Pumping Iron filming.

Unionizing, starts with Ben addressing the group -

“There will be no union,” hitting his clenched fist on the table. With that, Arnold stood up, walked to the front, kissed Joe and Ben on their cheeks and walked out of the room. All of our jaws dropped, because we thought we had Arnold’s support behind the union. We had all talked about it and agreed that if we came at them as a group, they would have no choice. Now it was clear whose side Arnold’s was on. I was amazed at what I was witnessing and thought the Weiders should have been ashamed of themselves."


Pumping Iron -

Originally they wanted the guys for free. Then supposedly it was supposedly $10,000 each for the main guys, plus an extra $100 per diem on shooting days -

"The next day at Gold’s, they appeared with contracts in hand, agreeing to pay us $10,000 each for our parts in the movie. I glanced over at Arnold standing off by himself with a calculating look, and felt something wasn’t right."

The inference here being Arnold was the one trying to get the other guys to do Pumping Iron for free because he was the go between for the film crew. They originally all did business at Arnold's apartment over drinks, and Robbie and Denny Gable walked out in protest.

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Which beings us to another sore point, Robbie blames Arnold and Weider from pushing his friend Denny out of bodybuilding -

"While Manny’s [Manny Perry] optimism for the future helped fuel my determination, Denny’s will was taking a beating. Because he had taken my side and walked out of Arnold’s apartment over the “Pumping Iron” contract issue, and  because he was still my training partner and friend, his $400 a week contract was cut in half. His decision took him out of the inner circle and left him with a rocky future in bodybuilding, just like
mine.

Being black prepared me for this road, but Denny is white, with smalltown Iowa experience giving him little grit. It was an eye-opening experience for me to see what happens to a white man who goes against the grain and backs a black man. The whole situationsaddened me, and our friendship began to suffer. I could see he wasn’t putting the same fire into his workouts, and some days he would be a no-show. I thought the worst and turned out to be right. He got mixed up with drugs."

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Thinks Arnold has it out for him at the 1976 Mr International show and will fix it for Franco, Zane, or Callard -

"Going into the show, I knew I had to get solidly into a winning mindset, because Arnold was producing the International show, as well as the Olympia. It was clear that Arnold took care of his friends and since I was not a part of the “Arnold clique,” the odds were stacked against me."

Robbie winds up winning that show, Callard was 2nd.

He goes into 1977 thinking Arnold and Weider will fix the 77 Mr O.

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Robbie on Zane beating him in 77 -

"I was in even better shape this time around. Zane, with his beautifully symmetrical shape, was
shredded, but he lacked the fullness and thickness I had.

At the evening show, the crowd got behind me with cheers. Having seen the show previous year, I knew something else was being played out on this Olympia stage, and there was nothing I could do above and beyond the hard work I had put into my condition.

What I had prepared myself for came to pass. Zane was awarded his first Olympia Sandow, and I was runner-up. The only thing I said to myself was, next. Unlike Zane, who was under contact, I had to make a living."

He goes into 78, thinking they'll fix the 78 Mr O too, and, of course Zane wins -

"The ‘78 Olympia was almost a carbon copy of the previous year’s show, with Arnold at the helm, Frank Zane on the winner’s block, and me in second place. This year it came down to a point difference between us, with the last vote to be cast by the head judge, Bill Pearl.

In an unheard of move, Bill decided not to cast any vote. By not voting for the promoter’s friend, the guy under a Weider contract, he appeared to be taking a stand against Weider and Arnold’s power over the show."

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And from there it just goes on and on.....














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Re: Robby Robinson is a national treasure 🏆 (maybe not)
« Reply #89 on: January 04, 2023, 02:29:49 PM »
I still find it disturbing that there is no truth to the bayonet story.

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Re: Robby Robinson is a national treasure 🏆 (maybe not)
« Reply #90 on: January 04, 2023, 03:03:07 PM »
LOL at Getbiggers attacking someone just because he has strong opinions! Good for Robby to speak out. By the way, back in the seventies Robby amazed everyone with his wide back and peaked biceps. How Zane beat him is a mystery. No wonder Robby is pissed off. Black guys have to be way better to win the Olympia. I mentioned that to Dexter and he agreed with me. We were with Jay Cutler before he won the Olympia. At my home in 1974 I asked Arnold what he thought about Sergio Oliva. "He's a pig." What about Robby Robinson? "He's a pig." What about Bill Grant? "He's a pig." I asked about a couple more well known black guys and got the same answer from Arnold..."All pigs." So I told Arnold he was racially prejudiced. "No, I just don't like any of doze guys!" Several people were there to witness Arnold's comments.

Truth is Joe Weider was a bull shitter. He exaggerated his important and didn't properly pay for bodybuilding champions who were featured in his magazines approving his products. Dave Draper got robbed. Clancy Ross died a pauper in a retirement home. Mike Mentzer was smarter than most and used the free advertising to promote himself and his products. Joe would give advertising space instead of money to most of the champions endorsing his products. Yes, Joe used Robby for sure. Robby has every right to be pissed off.


Yet a lot more Olympia titles have went to darkies?

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Re: Robby Robinson is a national treasure 🏆 (maybe not)
« Reply #91 on: January 04, 2023, 03:04:46 PM »
Yet a lot more Olympia titles have went to darkies?

Danny Padilla got a perfect score in a show and still lost to Robby after three posedowns onstage.

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Re: Robby Robinson is a national treasure 🏆 (maybe not)
« Reply #92 on: January 04, 2023, 03:10:38 PM »
The contradictions are incredible.

1. All the shows are fixed.....except for the ones he wins.
2. Everybody is a racist....except when they're buying his meals.
3. Denny got mixed up in drugs......fails to admit his own drug use.
4. It's allways 'nobody ever helped me out' ...... but doesn’t ever talk about helping anyone out himself.

Rick Wayne actually said Arnold initially was a spokesman for the bodybuilders that wanted to unionize.  Said he arranged a meeting with tge athletes and the Weiders. Arnold began talking about forming a union and everyone kept quiet. Fearing if they spoke up there'd be repercussions while Arnold was safe either way. But Arnold felt betrayed when no one spoke up-even though they asked for his help- looked like an asshole in front of the Weiders talking about a union and no one backs him. Arnold was embarrassed and walks out . Tells them don't bother asking for my help again.

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Re: Robby Robinson is a national treasure 🏆 (maybe not)
« Reply #93 on: January 04, 2023, 07:10:02 PM »
Vince, this story doesn't sound true at all.

Many people closer to Arnold than you have talked about how much he respected Sergio.

Bill Grant and Arnold are well known to be friends.

He may have called Robbie a pig. But so what You can be critical of a person regardless of their race. Just because a person that you don't like happens to be black doesn't mean your a racist.

By the sounds of it Robbie is a pretty toxic person. A narcissist who feels the world owes him something.

Ive read dozens and dozens of stories about Arnold, not mention all the interviews of his friends and documentaries etc...what you're saying doesn't sound like anything ever attributed to him before.

I'm not accusing you of lying. But maybe you're not remembering it correctly or its out of context. You just randomly asked him about 3 black guys and he laughed and called them all pigs? Or is there something else to the story?

Doesn't sound true? Are you the one who decides if facts from the past occurred or not? I have posted this story decades ago on Ironage and here on Getbig. I don't knowingly exaggerate what happened and I never distort the truth. That is called having integrity. My memory, at 80, is still very good. I have a hunch that someone was behind the corruption of the Ironage site so all those stories disappeared. The stories here on Getbig before 2005 conveniently disappeared as well. Anyone have any idea who might be behind this?

I have had several champion bodybuilders visit our home in Sydney. Arnold visited in 1974, Zane in 1978, and Sergio in 1982. Ray Mentzer lived with us in 1987. I asked Sergio about Arnold and he said Arnold was okay. No worries there. But way back in 1974 I was shocked to hear Arnold call Sergio a pig. WTF! Robert Nailon was there and so were several other bodybuilders from my gym. I asked Arnold what he thought about Sergio's physique. He told us that if he had Sergio's body he would have beaten himself. I suppose he felt that Sergio could have presented more cut up and perhaps pose better. When I heard Arnold call Sergio a pig I immediately questioned him about the other black bodybuilders. Every single one I mentioned got the same response. They were all pigs. Robby Robinson was mentioned. Probably Chris Dickerson and several other black bodybuilders all pigs. So I told Arnold he was racially prejudiced. Nope, he said, I just don't like any of doze guys! QED.

I asked Arnold about if contests were fixed in those days. He quipped that everyone who lost blamed the judges and those contests were fixed. Sergio and Franco were mentioned of course. So I asked about the time Zane beat him in Miami and Arnold insisted THAT contest was fixed! We talked about the movie business and I pointed out it was unlikely that he would duplicate what Steve Reeves did in the movies. Reeves was handsome and Arnold not at all. I told him I doubted he would ever be a movie star. He said he liked when people said that about him because it made him try harder. Well, a gym member who was a movie star and director said I was right about Arnold never being great actor but he was a good entertainer. I asked Arnold how he pronounced his last name. Schwarzen-egger he told us. Arnold never avoided answering any questions. I did most of the asking. Earlier at our gym before he posed I sat with him and asked him questions as a way to introduce him to the audience who came to see him and see a seminar. I paid Paul Graham $500 to have Arnold at our gym. I knew that Arnold drove a BMW and already owned a million dollar house in Malibu. We mostly got our information from bodybuilding magazines and I bought all that were available in Australia.

Arnold was sitting in our lounge and several of the guys were sitting around him. After answering those questions Arnold got up and went down the corridor. We assumed he was going to the bathroom. We had two bathrooms in that nice apartment on the 15th floor opposite the beach in Sydney. Arnold didn't return for some time so we sat there waiting. The parents of one of our babysitters came by and asked if I knew where their daughter was. I had no idea. After Arnold did a seminar and posed at our gym he went with Paul Graham and Robert Nailon to Tony's Gym to do the same thing there. Afterwards they came up to our apartment for a T-bone steak dinner. It was after dinner that we talked to Arnold. Well, on hearing the parents ask about their daughter Robert, The Brain, Nailon leaped up and went to look for Arnold. He returned a minute later and whispered to me that Arnold was having sex with the missing babysitter in one of the bedrooms. Robert had been to our place several times so knew the layout. He saw that one of the bedroom doors was locked so went through another and out onto the balcony that connected the three bedrooms. Arnold had forgotten to lock the balcony sliding glass door. Robert opened it and saw Arnold on top of the babysitter. What an asshole Arnold was. How could he be a guest at a party for him and behave like that? I told Roz and we both felt the babysitter's parents were there and were responsible for her. I talked to the babysitter as she emerged from the bedroom and asked what happened. She said that Arnold forced her. I asked why she didn't yell out. She said she didn't want to get anyone in trouble. Johnny Medlin was the first to see Arnold emerge from the bedroom. John had previously dated the babysitter. Someone told Arnold the parents were looking for their daughter and Arnold, Paul and Robert cleared out almost immediately.

A year later I challenged Robert Nailon to compete at the Mr Australia contest in Melbourne. I had to give myself something to motivate me. I posted a note in the Coogee Gym calling Nailon a paper tiger. So we both trained hard for that contest. A week before the Mr Australia Paul Graham brought Arnold out for the Mr NSW contest. Robert won that contest but he wasn't better than former winner from Orange. So when the results were announced I started booing. Lots of people booed. Hans Meyer was clearly superior. Robert's legs were not very developed at all. In those days we said he had no legs. Definitely no calves. Anyway, after the contest I was disgusted and we didn't stay to meet Arnold and talk with the judges after the show. Paul always put out food for the hungry bodybuilders. One of our gym members went to meet Arnold. Paul asked him if he booed Robert. Andrew Shigelski told them them I started the booing. Paul told Arnold they would get me in Melbourne.

In Melbourne they had a meeting of the judges and contestants. I requested that the Mr Australia adopt the rule that the title could be won only once by any person. Arnold spoke out against that motion with some stupid argument where he said it would be like asking Lou if he wanted Arnold to compete. The Olympia was totally different from the Mr America and Mr Australia. No other bodybuilder spoke out. I proposed that idea because Roger Walker had entered again and he was superior to everyone else who entered. As it turned out Roger easily won again. Nailon and myself were never compared. After the show Ian Perrott told me he should have supported me. He placed second. He said he would win the next year. I told him he might not be the best next year as there were a lot of good bodybuilders in Australia. He committed suicide the next year which is shame. I wondered if that would have happened if he had won. I ended up placing last in my class that night. Paul Graham gave me 25 out of 100 and Arnold placed me last as well. So they surely showed me. I disliked both of them after that. Neither should have had anything to do with contests after showing bias judging a contest. I wrote to the promoter, Frank Burwash, who replied that they fixed the contest so I couldn't place. Frank also had several trainee judges that day and they didn't agree with Arnold or Paul. I considered Arnold and Paul assholes from that day.

In 1980 Paul Graham got to promote the Mr Olympia contest in Australia. We got to sell tickets for Paul at $35 each. We sold 200 tickets which is $7000. Paul always presented a big trophy for the best support gym...the one who sold the most tickets. We usually won that trophy but after 1975 I never went up to receive it but sent my manager to collect it. In 1980 the whole bodybuilding community was there and the trophy was about 3 feet high. I would have gone up to get it. I yelled out about that trophy but Paul said there was no time. There was no way he was going to give me any publicity that night. By the way, we knew Arnold was entering at least 2 weeks out from the show because Paul needed to sell more tickets. I had to go to his house in Bondi to get more and more tickets. Knowing that Arnold was entering did help us sell more tickets. Paul had big bills to pay. He had to pay to bring out the competitors, judges and officials and put them up in hotels. We heard that he lost money on the show. Besides he had to pay prize money and the winner got $20,000 that night. Paul and Arnold were mates from when they lived together in LA in October 1968. I was in LA that month as well. In January 1969 Arnold and Dave Draper came to Honolulu to do a show for Mits Kowashima. I was there at the airport when they arrived. Arnold didn't remember my name but Dave Draper did. I used to sleep in my VW in LA and would train early and then have a shower. Dave always trained early in the morning. I then went to Australia for several weeks and met Robert Nailon. On our return to Honolulu we were given a clipping from the Honolulu newspaper that had a cartoon of a muscleman lifting a car. The caption read that Paul Graham Mr Australia was arrested by the FBI for sending stolen cars back to Australia. Arnold was in the hotel with Paul when arrested but Paul took the rap by himself and was sentenced to more than two years in a prison in California. Arnold mentioned his Australian mate in his autobiography, Total Recall. He wrote that he earned some money driving cars to the docks in LA that were heading for Australia. Somehow Arnold forgot to mention Paul's name. Paul was even a guest at Arnold's wedding at the Kennedy compound back east. Now how did Paul Graham manage to get entry back in the USA after serving time in jail there? Another mystery. A few years ago Arnold gave Paul a glowing tribute at an Arnold show in Melbourne. He told us how he owed Paul and how they were mates for a very long time.

Arnold came to our gym at West Ryde after the 1980 Mr Olympia contest to accompany Franco who presented a seminar on training. He was very interested in Bev Francis and they took her for a drive after the seminar. Arnold had to know how she built up her amazing physique. Bev posed at the Mr Olympia the night before and caused a sensation. The audience gave her a rousing applause and Arnold and Franco appeared behind the stage wondering who was getting all that applause.

By the way, Paul Graham never won the Mr Australia contest. He called himself Lord Paul, Mr Australia when wrestling. He won two body part awards in a Mr Southern Universe but when wrestling in Sydney the announcer stated that he had won two Mr Universe titles.

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« Reply #94 on: January 04, 2023, 07:14:00 PM »
Vince B, to your knowledge, did Arnold and Bev Francis “get it on” ??

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« Reply #95 on: January 04, 2023, 07:27:01 PM »
Vince B, to your knowledge, did Arnold and Bev Francis “get it on” ??

No. Not sure about George Butler in Melbourne in 1983!

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« Reply #96 on: January 04, 2023, 11:01:13 PM »
Vince Basile sound bitter and jealous of Arnold and now he’s making up lies about him.
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« Reply #97 on: January 05, 2023, 12:12:39 AM »
Vince Basile sound bitter and jealous of Arnold and now he’s making up lies about him.

SF you are a certified dick head. No doubt about that at all. Arnold is a multi-millionaire. Do you imagine that I would risk being sued by him if I posted lies. Not a chance. Arnold knows what he said and did. There are witnesses. I am one of the few people posting here under my real name. I am responsible for everything I post here. If I post that I consider Arnold an asshole that is my considered opinion.


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« Reply #98 on: January 05, 2023, 04:52:34 AM »
No. Not sure about George Butler in Melbourne in 1983!



Vince,
Did Arnold and Bev get their hair cut at the same place?

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