The Colorado Scam debunked

[Rmj11]

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[bigbychoices]

                         Excellent video and every bit of it is TRUE!  It was a scam from day 1. Just a way to make money. Jones machines are/were great and i have several in my home gym. ( pullover being one of them I had two but sold one a couple years ago) I wish I got paid that much for every pound of muscle. I would drop 40 lbs asap and then gain it asap.  Casey made more from that "experiment"  Than any other bodybuilder made in a year all the way up to the late 70s. It was a scam to make money and Mentzer used it to make money as well. He did NOT train like he preached ( when he trained )

[Royalty]

If it was a scam, how far apart in time do you believe the “before and after” pics actually were?

[Gym Rat]

Kim Wood told me Viator didnt use steroids for this, but as always I question that.
His Brother Tom shadowed Viator everywhere during that month, but I'm pretty sure he didnt follow him into the Biden shitter...

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[Never1AShow]

It's just so ridiculous, even as a credulous teen I learned this was BS.  Yet still it's pushed decades later.

Didn't Casey have am injury also from like slicing his finger or something as part of the reason he lost all that size?

There is no magic, except the magic that exists in falling in love with the iron.

[bigbychoices]

                                  A scam because they were lying about EVERYTHING. Yes he gained the weight/size. But it was regained size. Plus he had an infection. was in the hospital. Plus he dieted down to a very low weight on PURPOSE. Then when he ate like a bodybuilder should he blew back up. The training of course helped. BUT Casey himself ADMITTED ( I would have to go back through all the mags I have to find it) that he did in fact do much much more than jones said/wanted him to. AND he admitted he also took steroids. The man was getting paid by the pounds he could put on  So yes it was a scam. PERIOD. Besides where are all these "hit" guys at now days? IF hit was so great every single bodybuilder on the planet would be doing it. We ALL want the biggest fastest gains right?  But yet no one has been winning contests saying they trained "hit" or "heavy duty" or whatever you want to call it. 

[bigbychoices]

     Yes Casey was working on an oil rig at sea and had to have a finger amputated. ( I think he fell from a high spot on the rig)  He got a major life threatening infection and had to have the finger removed. Then they decided to do this scam.  The industry is all about SCAMMING a persons money away from them . If people really knew the truth about all these scams ( supplements, courses, foods drinks "almost" steroids etc ) they wouldn't buy anything. They push stuff to make money. It is hard to convince a lot of these people that probably 90 % of what they read or buy is worthless. Eat food train hard train often take a multi vitamin and that's it Oh wait . TAKE STEROIDS TOO! lol

[Megalodon]

If it was a scam, how far apart in time do you believe the “before and after” pics actually were?

They claimed he lost 7 pounds(3.17kg) of fat and didn't take steroids during the "experiment".

Then why is his face so gaunt in the before photo yet so bloated in the after. If he added 20.25 lbs (9.18 kg) of muscle and lost 7 pounds of fat, he would be ripped to shreds in the after pic.

What accounts for a bloated fatter-looking face in the after image where he had 7 LESS pounds of fat, and claims he wasn't taking drugs, which could bloat his face...

He doesn't look like he has 7 founds of fat to lose in the before. His face should look even gaunter in the after pics with 7 less pounds of fat. With less fat and more muscle, his bodyfat % would have gone way down in the second pic yet he doesn't appear to have any more definition. He's even flexing his quads in the second one, tightening up his abs, and sticking his lats out, and has more contrasting lighting which would highlight definition better.

[Gym Rat]

The Jones Colorado scam was the 1st "Cybergenics"... Some scams were earlier in Muscle Mags, many followed suit later, and still do today...
After all we know, people still fall for them (More Plates / Dates "Bunk Turk", etc)...

[Royalty]

They claimed he lost 7 pounds(3.17kg) of fat and didn't take steroids during the "experiment".

Then why is his face so gaunt in the before photo yet so bloated in the after. If he added 20.25 lbs (9.18 kg) of muscle and lost 7 pounds of fat, he would be ripped to shreds in the after pic.

What accounts for a bloated fatter-looking face in the after image where he had 7 LESS pounds of fat, and claims he wasn't taking drugs, which could bloat his face...

He doesn't look like he has 7 founds of fat to lose in the before. His face should look even gaunter in the after pics with 7 less pounds of fat. With less fat and more muscle, his bodyfat % would have gone way down in the second pic yet he doesn't appear to have any more definition. He's even flexing his quads in the second one, tightening up his abs, and sticking his lats out, and has more contrasting lighting which would highlight definition better.

I bet that he regained 20LB of actual muscle tissue

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about 20LB of water bloat


= 40LB of “lean” weight gain

[Gym Rat]

I bet that he regained 20LB of actual muscle tissue

+

about 20LB of water bloat


= 40LB of “lean” weight gain

IN a month, highly unlikely... 40 lbs of fluid I would guess... Expanding any muscle tissue he had.
The guys are just water baloons, that get filled and drained...

Rick Valenti lost close to 30 lbs of water overnight pissing, when he went cold turkey off the gear.
Ron Partlow tells a similar story of 17 lbs lost one night pissing...

[Megalodon]

The Jones Colorado scam was the 1st "Cybergenics"... Some scams were earlier in Muscle Mags, many followed suit later, and still do today...
After all we know, people still fall for them (More Plates / Dates "Bunk Turk", etc)...

Which reminds me, can anyone post a scan of one of those old full page cybergenic ads?   

[Royalty]

Which reminds me, can anyone post a scan of one of those old full page cybergenic ads?

[Megalodon]

Thank you very much. Much appreciated!

[Hulkotron]

Did any getbiggers splurge on the 180-day kit?

My favorite is the supplement administered with the rubber dropper

[Never1AShow]

Did any getbiggers splurge on the 180-day kit?

My favorite is the supplement administered with the rubber dropper

Wasn't Smilax a dropper?

[Never1AShow]

IN a month, highly unlikely... 40 lbs of fluid I would guess... Expanding any muscle tissue he had.
The guys are just water baloons, that get filled and drained...

Rick Valenti lost close to 30 lbs of water overnight pissing, when he went cold turkey off the gear.
Ron Partlow tells a similar story of 17 lbs lost one night pissing...

Pure bullshit, unless close to 30 pounds is 17 pounds (which is also probably an exaggeration, but within the realm of the possible) and the result of lots of Lasix.

Cybergenics and the Colorado Experiment show people will believe anything   

[Royalty]

It does look like Casey added a lot of mass to his quads and calves

[wes]

Muscle memory,food/fluids,training,and gear !!

Did anyone ever actually believe this BS ?

[oldtimer1]

I wonder how many know Arthur Jones himself was part of the Colorado experiment too. I think he started at something like 145lbs.  He dropped out quick citing illness leaving just Viator to do the experiment.

I think we have all seen zero's go to hero's in about 4 to 6 weeks using steroids. It's not hard to believe that Viator after having the infection and having his finger amputated gained his weight back on the juice.

[a_pupil]

Guys are still crying about this 

Just treat it as a funny/entertaining event in bodybuilding history.

It's no different to Arnold claiming to pump so hard that he orgasms.

It was better for kids to believe in these lies than jumping on 1000mg a week at the earliest opportunity.

[Royalty]

Guys are still crying about this 

Just treat it as a funny/entertaining event in bodybuilding history.

It's no different to Arnold claiming to pump so hard that he orgasms.

It was better for kids to believe in these lies than jumping on 1000mg a week at the earliest opportunity.

Good post

[Rambone]

It does look like Casey added a lot of mass to his quads and calves

Viator had fresh receptors throughout his legs

[Never1AShow]

     Yes Casey was working on an oil rig at sea and had to have a finger amputated. ( I think he fell from a high spot on the rig)  He got a major life threatening infection and had to have the finger removed. Then they decided to do this scam.  The industry is all about SCAMMING a persons money away from them . If people really knew the truth about all these scams ( supplements, courses, foods drinks "almost" steroids etc ) they wouldn't buy anything. They push stuff to make money. It is hard to convince a lot of these people that probably 90 % of what they read or buy is worthless. Eat food train hard train often take a multi vitamin and that's it Oh wait . TAKE STEROIDS TOO! lol

Can't determine Casey had only 4 fingers on either hand in the pics, therefore clearly not debunked.

[Royalty]

Viator had fresh receptors throughout his legs

Receptors got clean, and the experiment got dirty