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Donny · « **Reply #75 on:** June 01, 2024, 02:58:52 AM »

Quote from: IroNat on May 31, 2024, 03:00:01 PM

a lot of "Traditionell" schools of WC / VT don´t have Ground fighting but as i wrote before on this thread some WT schools here in Europe have added it to their systems.
Still not up to the standards of say BJJ or some other arts.

Donny · « **Reply #76 on:** June 01, 2024, 08:54:24 AM »

The essence of Budo

Donny · « **Reply #77 on:** June 01, 2024, 09:07:01 AM »

Kenji Tomiki who combined Judo & Aikido to form his own ideas . Brilliant & he really understood Tai sabaki

Donny · « **Reply #78 on:** June 05, 2024, 09:11:56 AM »

Donny · « **Reply #79 on:** June 06, 2024, 03:44:46 AM »

IroNat · « **Reply #80 on:** June 07, 2024, 05:15:44 AM »

Two guys flailing away with sticks. ^

Doesn't look like much skill involved.

Donny · « **Reply #81 on:** June 08, 2024, 03:31:01 AM »

Quote from: IroNat on June 07, 2024, 05:15:44 AM

Two guys flailing away with sticks. ^

Doesn't look like much skill involved.

obviously you´ve never tried Escrima/Kali & let´s be honest "skill" is practiced but reality in sparring looks different.
Look at Karate-do kata looks all very nice but then look at competition.

IroNat · « **Reply #82 on:** June 08, 2024, 06:02:39 AM »

Quote from: Donny on June 08, 2024, 03:31:01 AM

obviously you´ve never tried Escrima/Kali & let´s be honest "skill" is practiced but reality in sparring looks different.
Look at Karate-do kata looks all very nice but then look at competition.

Those dog brothers vids are just two guys beating each other with sticks.

Then they wrestle until one tackles the other.

Yes, no doubt getting hit hurts but there is little skill there beyond sheer aggression.

I'm not talking about real highly skilled stickfighting like you refer too.

Donny · « **Reply #83 on:** June 08, 2024, 06:36:24 AM »

Quote from: IroNat on June 08, 2024, 06:02:39 AM

Those dog brothers vids are just two guys beating each other with sticks.

Then they wrestle until one tackles the other.

Yes, no doubt getting hit hurts but there is little skill there beyond sheer aggression.

I'm not talking about real highly skilled stickfighting like you refer too.

Dog brothers is a system that tries to be "real" & incorporates techniques from other martial arts.
Real street fights don´t look like Hollywood films.
I would say that anyone who really can have an opinion on it should have at least tried it.
I train in another system but i have visited seminars from Dog Brothers. Remember one youTube video doen´t show the whole system

IroNat · « **Reply #84 on:** June 08, 2024, 07:32:35 AM »

Quote from: Donny on June 08, 2024, 06:36:24 AM

Dog brothers is a system that tries to be "real" & incorporates techniques from other martial arts.
Real street fights don´t look like Hollywood films.
I would say that anyone who really can have an opinion on it should have at least tried it.
I train in another system but i have visited seminars from Dog Brothers. Remember one youTube video doen´t show the whole system

Apparently their "system" is beating each other with sticks and then wrestling.

It is what it looks like.

The "real-ness" is beating on someone with a stick.

What technique is it other than that? Ordinary footwork maybe. Throw in some punches and kicks.

Is it effective in a fight? Yes, just like beating someone with a club is effective.

Beyond that, other than aggression, there is not much going on.

Donny · « **Reply #85 on:** June 08, 2024, 08:01:29 AM »

Quote from: IroNat on June 08, 2024, 07:32:35 AM

Apparently their "system" is beating each other with sticks and then wrestling.

It is what it looks like.

The "real-ness" is beating on someone with a stick.

What technique is it other than that? Ordinary footwork maybe. Throw in some punches and kicks.

Is it effective in a fight? Yes, just like beating someone with a club is effective.

Beyond that, other than aggression, there is not much going on.

as i wrote before try their training & sparring they do & then you can maybe contribute to their system, at least where they train in your area.
You do have a good point though raw aggression can beat skill .. so maybe it´s better to train in a realistic manner?

Donny · « **Reply #86 on:** June 09, 2024, 03:15:04 AM »

afraid the tone is crap but can see what he´s doing .

Donny · « **Reply #87 on:** June 09, 2024, 08:38:53 AM »

Donny · « **Reply #88 on:** June 13, 2024, 04:19:41 AM »

This reminds me of Wally Jays´s small circle ju jitsu

IroNat · « **Reply #89 on:** June 14, 2024, 03:28:24 AM »

I bought Wally Jay's Small Circle book a long time ago.

Good stuff.

I didn't have anyone to practice with so never learned any of it.

Donated the book to the local library.

Donny · « **Reply #90 on:** June 14, 2024, 05:04:23 AM »

Quote from: IroNat on June 14, 2024, 03:28:24 AM

I bought Wally Jay's Small Circle book a long time ago.

Good stuff.

I didn't have anyone to practice with so never learned any of it.

Donated the book to the local library.

I first heard about him from a PTI instructor who was a mate of mine in the Army. He knew a few good things & i loved the wrist & finger locks.
very hard to do but effective when done.
I always in Judo went for the elbow locks.

Interesting is the techniques in escrima /kali which are pretty realistic ( against a blade it´s very hard ) however the logical thinking behind it in the "Tapi-Tapi" is not so bad.