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Re: Robby's book : Muscle vs Hustle
« Reply #50 on: January 08, 2024, 12:58:07 AM »
Could age and torn triceps have contributed to that?

Some really think it was "monkey growth hormone" but I'm positive no type of growth hormone had anything to do with it. I think it's some type of calcium deposiits, can't remember the name of the condition.

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Re: Robby's book : Muscle vs Hustle
« Reply #51 on: January 08, 2024, 01:21:19 AM »
Some really think it was "monkey growth hormone" but I'm positive no type of growth hormone had anything to do with it. I think it's some type of calcium deposiits, can't remember the name of the condition.

Bursitis / Calcified Bursitis. Both have similar looks, but calcified bursitis has the calcium deposits that remain even if drained. It's classified as an overuse injury here in the States.

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« Reply #52 on: January 08, 2024, 09:39:16 AM »
Some really think it was "monkey growth hormone" but I'm positive no type of growth hormone had anything to do with it. I think it's some type of calcium deposiits, can't remember the name of the condition.

do you remember how much his face and structure changed that year?  not just the elbows,,

the face and the structure.  he turned into curious george.

did you hear they were using cadaver derived gh until 1974 when some lifters and
wrestlers got jacob croitfeld disease or whatever mad cow is called.

edit..  Creutzfeldt-Jakob


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Re: Robby's book : Muscle vs Hustle
« Reply #53 on: January 08, 2024, 01:06:28 PM »
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Re: Robby's book : Muscle vs Hustle
« Reply #54 on: January 08, 2024, 01:59:20 PM »


gross.

i can imagine the smell wafting off that in waves just
like HAARP pushes clouds across the sky.

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« Reply #55 on: January 08, 2024, 03:08:07 PM »
gross.

i can imagine the smell wafting off that in waves just
like HAARP pushes clouds across the sky.

yep that's gotta stank like shit fish mix

i'll take this instead

and by the way thank's for giving us this masterpiece 8) 8) 8)

these fellas come from your homeland listening it them right now for the pre-workout psych up


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Re: Robby's book : Muscle vs Hustle
« Reply #56 on: January 08, 2024, 03:19:23 PM »
i'd look exactly like this if i trained wheels and ate more food ;D

but with better delts and tris and worse quads, calves and bis

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Re: Robby's book : Muscle vs Hustle
« Reply #57 on: January 08, 2024, 03:38:22 PM »
::)

hahahaha!!!!

showing an ab photo where i'm hunched over not standing up straight HAHAHAHAHA!!!

and a photo from like 8 fucking years ago HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

here ya go

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Re: Robby's book : Muscle vs Hustle
« Reply #58 on: January 08, 2024, 03:50:48 PM »
hahahaha!!!!

showing an ab photo where i'm hunched over not standing up straight HAHAHAHAHA!!!

and a photo from like 8 fucking years ago HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

here ya go

Is this you too?   ???

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Re: Robby's book : Muscle vs Hustle
« Reply #59 on: January 08, 2024, 03:59:39 PM »
What have you scoundrels done to my thread?


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« Reply #60 on: January 08, 2024, 04:23:32 PM »
What have you scoundrels done to my thread?


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Re: Robby's book : Muscle vs Hustle
« Reply #61 on: January 08, 2024, 04:36:35 PM »
Lmao!

This is why we can't have anything nice around here.

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« Reply #62 on: January 08, 2024, 06:29:35 PM »
Is this you too?   ???

oh look

it's a gimmick of someone else

what a PUSSY

hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Robby's book : Muscle vs Hustle
« Reply #63 on: January 08, 2024, 06:31:42 PM »
This is why we can't have anything nice around here.

it's not called the thuderdom for nothing

by the by thier shit don't touch i think it's pretty fucking funny actually

my experience irl is vastly different from what they try to project upon me, so i'll stick with my real life experinces ;)

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« Reply #64 on: January 09, 2024, 12:26:56 AM »
do you remember how much his face and structure changed that year?  not just the elbows,,

the face and the structure.  he turned into curious george.

did you hear they were using cadaver derived gh until 1974 when some lifters and
wrestlers got jacob croitfeld disease or whatever mad cow is called.

edit..  Creutzfeldt-Jakob

I know they were using crescormon, Grorm, whatever. My training partner used it like 25 years ago, it was still made in Russia. However I never read about the actual dosage they used way back in Dickerson's day. My hunch is that the dosage was tiny compared to today, I'm not positive but that's my guess. Dickerson would unlikely to be the only one using it at similar dosage. Again, I don't know for sure. The cadaver GH was supposed to cause all these strange mutations but I think that was just balonie stories, the 2 guys who I know used it saw not much of anything, the dosage was too low for one. If you know more I'm interested.

I think I saw Ronnie's elbow was kinda like that now after his career. Bursitis or GH, I don't
know but I'd bet on bursitis mostly. I forgot to look at Heiko Kallbach's elbows, he claimed to have used 54iu of Genotropin a day. Adult GH release is like less than 2iu if I'm not mistaken.

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Re: Robby's book : Muscle vs Hustle
« Reply #65 on: January 09, 2024, 12:49:18 AM »
Bursitis / Calcified Bursitis. Both have similar looks, but calcified bursitis has the calcium deposits that remain even if drained. It's classified as an overuse injury here in the States.
A lot of old people have that condition.

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Re: Robby's book : Muscle vs Hustle
« Reply #66 on: January 09, 2024, 01:26:18 AM »
I know they were using crescormon, Grorm, whatever. My training partner used it like 25 years ago, it was still made in Russia. However I never read about the actual dosage they used way back in Dickerson's day. My hunch is that the dosage was tiny compared to today, I'm not positive but that's my guess. Dickerson would unlikely to be the only one using it at similar dosage. Again, I don't know for sure. The cadaver GH was supposed to cause all these strange mutations but I think that was just balonie stories, the 2 guys who I know used it saw not much of anything, the dosage was too low for one. If you know more I'm interested.

I think I saw Ronnie's elbow was kinda like that now after his career. Bursitis or GH, I don't
know but I'd bet on bursitis mostly. I forgot to look at Heiko Kallbach's elbows, he claimed to have used 54iu of Genotropin a day. Adult GH release is like less than 2iu if I'm not mistaken.

I saw that version of Russian GH it came in 10 iu bottles, im sure many guys used it but one of its more known poster boys was Eduardo Kawak from NABBA, rumoured to have been made synthetically but engineered or ingredients from cadavers

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Re: Robby's book : Muscle vs Hustle
« Reply #67 on: January 09, 2024, 01:28:46 AM »
I know they were using crescormon, Grorm, whatever. My training partner used it like 25 years ago, it was still made in Russia. However I never read about the actual dosage they used way back in Dickerson's day. My hunch is that the dosage was tiny compared to today, I'm not positive but that's my guess. Dickerson would unlikely to be the only one using it at similar dosage. Again, I don't know for sure. The cadaver GH was supposed to cause all these strange mutations but I think that was just balonie stories, the 2 guys who I know used it saw not much of anything, the dosage was too low for one. If you know more I'm interested.

I think I saw Ronnie's elbow was kinda like that now after his career. Bursitis or GH, I don't
know but I'd bet on bursitis mostly. I forgot to look at Heiko Kallbach's elbows, he claimed to have used 54iu of Genotropin a day. Adult GH release is like less than 2iu if I'm not mistaken.

That's the problem I have with early GH theories. I just don't think Dickerson, etc.... would have the connections/money to use it at any meaningful dose/duration. Cadaver GH was pretty tightly controlled with only enough for about 30,000 people coming into the US yearly during the early 80's. Also it was between $9000 - 20,000 ($26,000-60,000 in 2023 dollars) for pretty light dose treatment by today's standards.

Genentech bringing to synthetic GH to the market in '85 is considered the watershed moment in GH supply and usage. Someone asked Duchaine on Misc.fitness.weights who was the first person he saw really use GH in meaningful amounts, and he said it was Lyle Alzado around 85-86.

You can cross reference that against Rob Huizenga (Raiders's Team Doctor)'s  book - "You're OK, It's Just A Bruise (1995)"  where he talks about Alzado's GH use around that time -

Rob Huizenga, former team physician for the Los Angeles Raiders describing cleaning out Lyle Alzado's stash with his wife -

"She brought in an entire shopping bag chock full of every conceivable bulking concoction. There were thousands of dollars worth of Genentech growth hormone vials, all interestingly enough marked "No Sale," meaning they were samples off some pediatric endocrinologist's shelf, or else stolen from an ongoing drug trial.

There were five types of oral anabolic steroids and sixteen types of injectable steroids, some of them veterinary with pictures of horses on the boxes. The labels were from West Germany, East Germany, France, Mexico, Italy, and the U.S.A. There was extract from pregnant women's urine that prevented the testicles from shrinking. There was an estrogen hormone blocker, tamoxifen, prescribed typically for women who have had breast cancer to help prevent a recurrence, but used by weight lifters to try to prevent "bitch tits"—the painful swellings and breast enlargement resulting from partial conversion of steroids into estrogen.

There was thyroid medicine. There was pain medicine. There was an asthma medicine from Canada, rumored to increase strength. There were boxes of syringes. There were pads of papers with various "stacking" schemes—schemes for taking handfuls of different steroids simultaneously, in hopes of more muscle and fewer side effects.

About half the drugs had come from the refrigerator; the rest had been hidden under the kitchen sink, in the bathroom, under the
bed, and behind Lyle's trophies. Some small-town pharmacies don't have this selection of drugs.".

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Re: Robby's book : Muscle vs Hustle
« Reply #68 on: January 09, 2024, 04:01:58 AM »
What have you scoundrels done to my thread?


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Re: Robby's book : Muscle vs Hustle
« Reply #69 on: January 09, 2024, 04:15:31 AM »
;D

they think thier shit bothers me jokes on them

i do not fucking care and like Blakely said you are up here and they are down there ;)

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Re: Robby's book : Muscle vs Hustle
« Reply #70 on: January 09, 2024, 07:13:30 AM »
That's the problem I have with early GH theories. I just don't think Dickerson, etc.... would have the connections/money to use it at any meaningful dose/duration. Cadaver GH was pretty tightly controlled with only enough for about 30,000 people coming into the US yearly during the early 80's. Also it was between $9000 - 20,000 ($26,000-60,000 in 2023 dollars) for pretty light dose treatment by today's standards.

Genentech bringing to synthetic GH to the market in '85 is considered the watershed moment in GH supply and usage. Someone asked Duchaine on Misc.fitness.weights who was the first person he saw really use GH in meaningful amounts, and he said it was Lyle Alzado around 85-86.

You can cross reference that against Rob Huizenga (Raiders's Team Doctor)'s  book - "You're OK, It's Just A Bruise (1995)"  where he talks about Alzado's GH use around that time -

Rob Huizenga, former team physician for the Los Angeles Raiders describing cleaning out Lyle Alzado's stash with his wife -

"She brought in an entire shopping bag chock full of every conceivable bulking concoction. There were thousands of dollars worth of Genentech growth hormone vials, all interestingly enough marked "No Sale," meaning they were samples off some pediatric endocrinologist's shelf, or else stolen from an ongoing drug trial.

There were five types of oral anabolic steroids and sixteen types of injectable steroids, some of them veterinary with pictures of horses on the boxes. The labels were from West Germany, East Germany, France, Mexico, Italy, and the U.S.A. There was extract from pregnant women's urine that prevented the testicles from shrinking. There was an estrogen hormone blocker, tamoxifen, prescribed typically for women who have had breast cancer to help prevent a recurrence, but used by weight lifters to try to prevent "bitch tits"—the painful swellings and breast enlargement resulting from partial conversion of steroids into estrogen.

There was thyroid medicine. There was pain medicine. There was an asthma medicine from Canada, rumored to increase strength. There were boxes of syringes. There were pads of papers with various "stacking" schemes—schemes for taking handfuls of different steroids simultaneously, in hopes of more muscle and fewer side effects.

About half the drugs had come from the refrigerator; the rest had been hidden under the kitchen sink, in the bathroom, under the
bed, and behind Lyle's trophies. Some small-town pharmacies don't have this selection of drugs.".
lyle was a big user/abuser and def in late 80's and early 90's he got the 'build'moreso than football 'big'for his prime in the 70's ,he even wore a hairpiece then cause he was in muscle and fitness by then.

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Re: Robby's book : Muscle vs Hustle
« Reply #71 on: January 09, 2024, 07:32:08 AM »
Bob Paris wrote in his book that he went to see what the hype was about GH back then and found out he couldn't afford it.  He said that only a select few were using it due to the cost.  It was so expensive he never touched it.  And he said that watching some of the ones that were using it, he couldn't really tell a difference.

One of the worst looking case of abuse is that damn sunken eye / protruding brow that Paul Dillett has.  Swear to god it looked like he was peering out of a ski hoodie at times.  Dude had one of the best frontal bodies in the biz though. 

When I first moved to Ft Lauderdale, at the Gold's on Commercial (now The Zoo), the HIV+ guys in there were selling a box of Serostim for $350.  They were getting a full box every week due to being RX'd an entire bottle daily.  According to doctors then and the package insert that came in the box, they had to use or discard the entire vial once it was constituted.  Due to contamination fears.  Their insurance companies were paying for a box a week since it had seven vials in it.  It was going for $1500 a box back home and the box was lasting 5-7 weeks. 

The only person I have ever heard complain (directly to me) that HGH caused elbow problems was the old WCW wrestler Van Hammer.  He said it left his elbows wrecked to the point he couldn't turn the key in the lock for his front door without excruiciating pain.  Of course, it might not have been HGH that ruined his elbows and instead Vyvnase/meth and constantly unscrewing shit around his apartment and putting it back together again over and over in a binge party.   (Note : I never saw him use either of those, just a rumor that was going around at the time along with other weird shit he was known for.)

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Re: Robby's book : Muscle vs Hustle
« Reply #72 on: January 09, 2024, 12:38:19 PM »
Lyle liked guys too. In fact he didn't have "brain cancer" he did in fact have aids. His team knew he liked young boys. He actually liked young blonde haired boys. It was a well known fact around golds too.  His wife knew ( of course) and engaged in the fun with him. Hey he was an adult and what they do in their bedroom is their business but he gave steroids a very bad name. He should have just been honest. I think most people would have respected him more but who knows.  Yes dickerson could afford the human growth. He was a homo and his rich gay lovers would buy him whatever he wanted. Rhesus monkey hormone was used by more than a few people too. In fact there was one black female track athlete that was big into it and she changed facially and in the hands and other areas.  Nowdays that and the insulin use is why they all look like complete crap .  Robby was a good bodybuilder. Yes weider didn't like his "black attitude. It is business. Why should weider lose money and sponsers. Robby won some grand prix shows. He was on the magazines as well. 
                                                   Why does this swimmer/long distance runner dj181 always post his pictures?  Thats cool if you think you look good. Be proud of what you have accomplished.  Marathons are very hard to do and it looks like you run a lot of them. Keep it up. Do you ever do a triathalon? Im thinking your build is perfect for running swimming and biking. No fat and little muscle.  well done. But doesnt it embarrass you when your with a woman( or guy) and she/he actually asks you to put a shirt on? And if your using steroids ( like you say) then you should get your money back because they are obviously fake with no hormonal ingredient except maybe estrogen. good luck to you.

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Re: Robby's book : Muscle vs Hustle
« Reply #73 on: January 09, 2024, 01:02:09 PM »
Lyle liked guys too. In fact he didn't have "brain cancer" he did in fact have aids. His team knew he liked young boys. He actually liked young blonde haired boys. It was a well known fact around golds too.  His wife knew ( of course) and engaged in the fun with him. Hey he was an adult and what they do in their bedroom is their business but he gave steroids a very bad name. He should have just been honest. I think most people would have respected him more but who knows.  Yes dickerson could afford the human growth. He was a homo and his rich gay lovers would buy him whatever he wanted. Rhesus monkey hormone was used by more than a few people too. In fact there was one black female track athlete that was big into it and she changed facially and in the hands and other areas.  Nowdays that and the insulin use is why they all look like complete crap .  Robby was a good bodybuilder. Yes weider didn't like his "black attitude. It is business. Why should weider lose money and sponsers. Robby won some grand prix shows. He was on the magazines as well. 
                                                   Why does this swimmer/long distance runner dj181 always post his pictures?  Thats cool if you think you look good. Be proud of what you have accomplished.  Marathons are very hard to do and it looks like you run a lot of them. Keep it up. Do you ever do a triathalon? Im thinking your build is perfect for running swimming and biking. No fat and little muscle.  well done. But doesnt it embarrass you when your with a woman( or guy) and she/he actually asks you to put a shirt on? And if your using steroids ( like you say) then you should get your money back because they are obviously fake with no hormonal ingredient except maybe estrogen. good luck to you.

bahahahaha!!!

you could not be more wrong about the shirt thing chief

i always go to the gym in a loose baggy shirt and then when i get down to business i take it off and i always wear a string tank underneath and when i do this peeps start staring

and it the good kinda staring ;)

your bigorexia is clouding your judgement homeslice

one of my buds told me like 3 guys asked him how i look so good, so what you say?

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Re: Robby's book : Muscle vs Hustle
« Reply #74 on: January 09, 2024, 02:36:15 PM »
One bb I know had a gf working the assembly line a long time ago, where they assembled Norditropin vials. You could buy with or without labels, with labels was like $100 more. With the ones without labels you could tell by the color of the metal cap which strength it was, 15, 30 or 45iu. I remember thinking that if they were all fake the counterfeiters would never have made the 15 and 30 vials. But you could never be sure if the stories were true.
Once way back a 1% motorcycke club got busted for stealing millions of dollars worth of Norditropin from a warehouse in Denmark. They had gotten greedy, had been in the warehouse once already the day before.

Today many say you are way more likely to get a hold of counterfeit pharma GH compared to fake Chinese underground GH. Much of the Chinese is good nowadays they say. Only concern is that the Chinese causes more effects as well as more side effects, some speculate this is caused by "dimers" in the products, a type of protein left in the product from manufacturing. They are also sometimes way overdosed actually.

You guys in the US don't know how good you have it, you can get quality Chinese for $100 for 100iu (fella above said back in the day 100 units could cost $1500). Here in my country
the price is 3x the US black market price. Almost everyone could afford it nowadays.
Why aren't you on it? Huh? :D Even if not on steroids, GH could be a nice restorative and "feel good," "anti-aging" compound.