Mens physique pro on 5+ grams

[joswift]

But you are 52 years old and 157lbs why do you care about the max dosages of competitive Pro bodybuilders? 3-500mg is way more than you will ever need. You are not going to blow up at 52 years old and at 157lbs you don't have enough receptor sites to use more and you can grow like a weed if you just added food because you are starving yourself.

Brian now telling someone they wont make big gains like hes the font of all knowledge
He laughed at us all two years ago when he claimed he was going to be a heavyweight bodybuilder at 225 onstage and we told him it wasnt possible.

Poor Brain, best he can hope for is 185 in shape.

[Van_Bilderass]

You're probably right about open pros being on 4+ grams

Big Paul is on 3 gram a gram of test mast and primo and it looks like he will be 230's on stage at 6'2

Pros are like 240-250 onstage at 5'9 so 5 inches shorter than him and 10-20 pounds heavier

But as you know those pros are likely on way more gear overall too. Paul likely NEEDS those dosages, I doubt he's making a lot of mistakes elsewhere, or what do you think?

Like we suspect the dosages are probably somewhat excessive across the board but otoh maybe everyone actually mostly needs these dosages for their given fat free bodyweights? Like I say, I think most of these guys are actually on top of their diets year round so just maybe what they do almost perfectly corresponds to what you see. Unless they are lying they seem to be in the gym all the time, eating all the time, in the past I think lots of bodybuilders fucked around periodically through the year but today they seem to be on the program all the time. At least no one admits to "eat what the fuck ever in the off season." If this regimented year round bodybuilding lifestyle is actually worth it in the end can be debated though.

[Van_Bilderass]

They say tren is the most neurotoxic BY FAR so not a good choice for.someone with BPD like me😄 They also say it and eq are very kidney toxic which is very bad

The EQ kidney toxicity is another one of Vic's theories, based on some assay showing some kidney tox but I think there was no comparison to any other steroid so what is it worth? Not much in my opinion. Almost no one thinks for themselves, they should be embarrassed to be copying others' theories word for word with no personal analysis. And with no attribution to the original source. If I say something I try to say where I got the idea.

You know I've told you repeatedly that in my humble opinion you should drop the estrogen obsession alltogether. In my opinion people are mistaken in the assumption that estrogen is uniquely resposible for a soft look, just because females are soft. Females are also not running a lot of androgens. Subcutaneous water may actually have little to do with estrogen, or is like females are actually holding lots of water under the skin? Hardly. Estrogen is also more correlated to fat distribution as opposed to absolute fat levels. There are actually wird effects seen in research, like post menopausal women given estrogen actually lose belly fat. So drop the automatic assumptions, at least that's my view.

I know you've said for example that increasing your test makes you look softer. I don't know for sure, but that may be all in your mind. I've never seen a pic of you where you looked water logged.

[joswift]

I know you've said for example that increasing your test makes you look softer. I don't know for sure, but that may be all in your mind. I've never seen a pic of you where you looked water logged.

I would like to see him this waterlogged

[dj181]

But as you know those pros are likely on way more gear overall too. Paul likely NEEDS those dosages, I doubt he's making a lot of mistakes elsewhere, or what do you think?

Like we suspect the dosages are probably somewhat excessive across the board but otoh maybe everyone actually mostly needs these dosages for their given fat free bodyweights? Like I say, I think most of these guys are actually on top of their diets year round so just maybe what they do almost perfectly corresponds to what you see. Unless they are lying they seem to be in the gym all the time, eating all the time, in the past I think lots of bodybuilders fucked around periodically through the year but today they seem to be on the program all the time. At least no one admits to "eat what the fuck ever in the off season." If this regimented year round bodybuilding lifestyle is actually worth it in the end can be debated though.

Big Paul is a.fucking mystery to me as he said during his off-season he was 250ish and relatively lean on 300 mgs total

So why the hell does he need 3000 mgs to be the same size he was on 300 mgs??

Makes ZERO fucking sense

Imo mast is weak as fuck and sucksass don't have enough experience with primo to say how weak it is or not

But 1 gram of test is very strong so.again why does he need so much when he was roughly the same size on 300 mgs total?

Guess he is using mast and primo as "anabolic" ais

But he is also using a regular ai

[Fortress]

DVDs?

[dj181]

The EQ kidney toxicity is another one of Vic's theories, based on some assay showing some kidney tox but I think there was no comparison to any other steroid so what is it worth? Not much in my opinion. Almost no one thinks for themselves, they should be embarrassed to be copying others' theories word for word with no personal analysis. And with no attribution to the original source. If I say something I try to say where I got the idea.

You know I've told you repeatedly that in my humble opinion you should drop the estrogen obsession alltogether. In my opinion people are mistaken in the assumption that estrogen is uniquely resposible for a soft look, just because females are soft. Females are also not running a lot of androgens. Subcutaneous water may actually have little to do with estrogen, or is like females are actually holding lots of water under the skin? Hardly. Estrogen is also more correlated to fat distribution as opposed to absolute fat levels. There are actually wird effects seen in research, like post menopausal women given estrogen actually lose belly fat. So drop the automatic assumptions, at least that's my view.

I know you've said for example that increasing your test makes you look softer. I don't know for sure, but that may be all in your mind. I've never seen a pic of you where you looked water logged.

There's an old pic of me here on 700 test and I look awful, it was when I was in Poland

But here is another pic of me on 700 test prop, 100 mgs ed, from a Ukrainian pharmacy forget the name of this prop but 15 was a big fan of it

Guess I don't look too bad here but my gut is distended coz I just ate like a 3000 calorie meal from McDonalds before taking this shot

[webstar]

There's an old pic of me here on 700 test and I look awful, it was when I was in Poland

But here is another pic of me on 700 test prop, 100 mgs ed, from a Ukrainian pharmacy forget the name of this prop but 15 was a big fan of it

Guess I don't look too bad here but my gut is distended coz I just ate like a 3000 calorie meal from McDonalds before taking this shot

The good old undigested food belly.

[bhank]

3rd guy is an open BB on 3.5 grams test 1.4 grams tren and 100 mgs of dbol and drol daily total dosage 6 + grams and 12 iu gh

They said they know this guy and he looked even better on 25% of that total doseage so less than 2 grams total

They said dbol is useless on or off season and that it is much more neurotoxic than either test or deca very bad news

And they said gh cap is 6 iu but maybe just maybe 8 iu at the very top

Yates has said many times Dbol was his favorite compound Arnold was also rumored to be a big fan

[bhank]

Problem is these dudes never really address fellas like you and I

Can't speak for you but I know I don't have size genetics but I have The Shape genetics and I know I could never be 200 @ 5% no matter what I did or took it just ain't in my cards

But I can have The Shape at 165 or so which I'm in fact headed for right now as my waist is still 28.5 inches and my chest and shoulders are only one inch away from thier maxed out size which I had weighing 20 more pounds than I weigh now but my waist was 4.5 inches bigger than so as I said I'm heading in the right direction

Anyways they should address this as not everyone wants to weigh or can weigh 220+

Wish to fuck Zane's cycle of 100 primo and 15 dbol worked for.me but it seems that 200 test and 200 deca might be all I need

So your arms can never get bigger than 16.25 inches no matter how much gear you take how hard you train or how much you eat 16.25 is your absolute limit? And you know this because you are doing evrytign you can now and at 15.25 again fucking EAT

[bhank]

There's an old pic of me here on 700 test and I look awful, it was when I was in Poland

But here is another pic of me on 700 test prop, 100 mgs ed, from a Ukrainian pharmacy forget the name of this prop but 15 was a big fan of it

Guess I don't look too bad here but my gut is distended coz I just ate like a 3000 calorie meal from McDonalds before taking this shot

1000x better than you look now

[Van_Bilderass]

There's an old pic of me here on 700 test and I look awful, it was when I was in Poland

But here is another pic of me on 700 test prop, 100 mgs ed, from a Ukrainian pharmacy forget the name of this prop but 15 was a big fan of it

Guess I don't look too bad here but my gut is distended coz I just ate like a 3000 calorie meal from McDonalds before taking this shot

So in other words you can yourself clearly see that the supposed estrogen from the test did not mess up your look.

I've said it before but you are 52 years old, and while it's true megadosing wouldn't do much, to gain actual new tissue at this age is almost impossible. You might still be able to gain a little but you'd have to triple your previous highest AAS dosage as well as use GH and insulin liberally AND eat much more than you ever have previously. What you're doing now is fighting over millimeters but if that's your thing it's completely fine.

Yates has said many times Dbol was his favorite compound Arnold was also rumored to be a big fan

Which is why saying it belongs in the garbage is so asinine. Fine, if it doesn't agree with you don't take it! You can gain the same with other alternatives. But these proclamations can turn around completely in a few months. All it takes is one top coach saying how it's the best oral still and actually wonderful precontest and  everyone rediscovers it. I think it was Vigorous Steve, or was it Tony Huge, who said the trend for good bodybuilders coming to Thailand now to actually do a lot of Dianabol again lol

[joswift]

So your arms can never get bigger than 16.25 inches no matter how much gear you take how hard you train or how much you eat 16.25 is your absolute limit? And you know this because you are doing evrytign you can now and at 15.25 again fucking EAT

writes the man who has gained 1/2 inch on his arms in the last 20 years by his own admission.

[Humble Narcissist]

You can take 5grams a day if you don't eat you will not grow

Who doesn't eat?

[bigmikecox]

Covered in the first 20 minutes

1 gram of test tren and mast and 700 primo and 50 winny and var and 40 halo

Brutal

They say 2-3 grams total is the ceiling and test should be 500 max and tren 200 max but the dose of mast and primo are ok

Also they say only running var is enough you don't need 3-4 hardemers

All that gear and shit legs

[bhank]

writes the man who has gained 1/2 inch on his arms in the last 20 years by his own admission.

I was DJ size when I started but I started 25 plus years ago. Once You get your initial size you don't get much more. I am the exact same weight now I was when I was 20 years old. 205lbs but guess what it is a very different looking 205lbs. At 20 I was 205lbs with 17 inch arms and no vascularity.  I was also working out 2 hours a day 6 days a fucking week and going to an all you can eat dining hall stuffing my face. 205 then is like my 230 now. 205 now is show winning

[bhank]

Big Paul is a.fucking mystery to me as he said during his off-season he was 250ish and relatively lean on 300 mgs total

So why the hell does he need 3000 mgs to be the same size he was on 300 mgs??

Makes ZERO fucking sense

Imo mast is weak as fuck and sucksass don't have enough experience with primo to say how weak it is or not

But 1 gram of test is very strong so.again why does he need so much when he was roughly the same size on 300 mgs total?

Guess he is using mast and primo as "anabolic" ais

But he is also using a regular ai

It doesn't take anywhere near as much to maintain as it does to grow. If you keep your calories the same your weight is not going to change. The overall look of the physique is what is going to change more than the weight. Masteron is not going to put any weight on me however absolutely it would change my look. Masteron is awesome if you are already lean in shape additionally people claim it has anti estrogen type properties it certainly gives you a harder look

[wes]

"Vigorous Steve","Big Paul","Tony Huge"

[joswift]

I was DJ size when I started but I started 25 plus years ago. Once You get your initial size you don't get much more. I am the exact same weight now I was when I was 20 years old. 205lbs but guess what it is a very different looking 205lbs. At 20 I was 205lbs with 17 inch arms and no vascularity.  I was also working out 2 hours a day 6 days a fucking week and going to an all you can eat dining hall stuffing my face. 205 then is like my 230 now. 205 now is shit show winning

Poor Brian contradicting himself, never been fat in his life always been shredded, now when hes in a corner again another version of events of him being 205 with 17 inch arms and no vascularity...Brain, no vascularity in your arms means you are fat, very fat

Every which way he tells the story he trys to come out on top.

[bhank]

Poor Brian contradicting himself, never been fat in his life always been shredded, now when hes in a corner again another version of events of him being 205 with 17 inch arms and no vascularity...Brain, no vascularity in your arms means you are fat, very fat

Every which way he tells the story he trys to come out on top.

No vascularity does not mean fat Jesus man you just want to argue about nonsense it is boring go fucking lift something already and talk about that instead

[dj181]

The good old undigested food belly.

Hahahaha

Yep and I didn't even bother to suck it in one bit

[dj181]

1000x better than you look now

I weighed 170 there but I'd say my waist was 32 or 32.5 inches so my goal is to get that upper body size back but keep my current 28.5 inch waist as this will look quite dramatic and I'm thinking 165 will be the weight I end up at if I hit 170 with a 28.5 inch waist my arms might be very close to 17 but don't know til I get there

I'm a torso dominant guy so I'm concerned that the dips and chins will end up growing my pecs, lats and shoulders more than my arms so if they do I will have to add in more arm isolation exercises

Time will tell

[dj181]

So in other words you can yourself clearly see that the supposed estrogen from the test did not mess up your look.

I've said it before but you are 52 years old, and while it's true megadosing wouldn't do much, to gain actual new tissue at this age is almost impossible. You might still be able to gain a little but you'd have to triple your previous highest AAS dosage as well as use GH and insulin liberally AND eat much more than you ever have previously. What you're doing now is fighting over millimeters but if that's your thing it's completely fine.

Which is why saying it belongs in the garbage is so asinine. Fine, if it doesn't agree with you don't take it! You can gain the same with other alternatives. But these proclamations can turn around completely in a few months. All it takes is one top coach saying how it's the best oral still and actually wonderful precontest and  everyone rediscovers it. I think it was Vigorous Steve, or was it Tony Huge, who said the trend for good bodybuilders coming to Thailand now to actually do a lot of Dianabol again lol

Some defy age better than others

Bernard Hopkins fought pro level til his early 50s

You saw where I have already gained a full inch or 2.5 cm to my chest and to my shoulders right? Milometers my ass😂😂😂

My gig is keep gaining strength and size will follow and yes on maintenance or very slightly above maintenance calories Mentzer experienced this many times you do not need a big surplus that is horseshit

Right now I can 3 reps with 35 kg 80 pounds round my waist and I am confident I will work up to at least 55 kg or 110 for 5-6 so when I do that my pecs delts and tris won't be bigger? Uh, yes they will they are already bigger and I just started

[dj181]

Who doesn't eat?

He thinks if you stuff down calories all of it goes to muscle tissue

Which is dead wrong

Every single time I did this I'd gain like 5 pounds of fat for only 1 pound of muscle

Complete waste of time and money

And the same fucking thing happened when I used slin 4-5 pounds of fat gained for maybe 1 pound of muscle

I've run slin 3 times with the same fucking outcome each time

I was such a dumbfuck to try it again and again

Another waste of time and money

[bhank]

I weighed 170 there but I'd say my waist was 32 or 32.5 inches so my goal is to get that upper body size back but keep my current 28.5 inch waist as this will look quite dramatic and I'm thinking 165 will be the weight I end up at if I hit 170 with a 28.5 inch waist my arms might be very close to 17 but don't know til I get there

I'm a torso dominant guy so I'm concerned that the dips and chins will end up growing my pecs, lats and shoulders more than my arms so if they do I will have to add in more arm isolation exercises

Time will tell

You look like that guy after picking up a serious meth habit you do not even look healthy at this point much less jacked you look sickly