Joe Biden pulls OUT - 07-21-24 - Is NOT Running again...

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

With Joe Biden dropping out of the race, who will replace him?

Kamala Harris is who Joe endorses and the likely choice, BUT can she win against Trump.  No one is sure.

So who can win against Trump...


Josh Shapiro ... but most likely can be Kamala's running mate...

Gretchen Whitmer ... the Democrats should dump Kamala, and bring her as the presidential nominee, with Josh Shapiro as the VP candidate...

Then maybe, just maybe, the Democrats will win...

They won't do that.   If the Democrats bring in someone else other than Kamala, they could say goodbye to the black vote as they would be accused of racism.  I said that many times on my livestreams.   They are stuck with her and Biden made sure of it

[funk51]

At Fucking Last - Joe going   

What do all his arse lickers have to say

Lurker - Funk - Prime - Ag - J.oak ETC  Your Hero who's so Fit & Capable
has Shuffled of & only fell over 3x & fumbled his speech.

Good Fucking Riddance.

I agree with you. Biden was pretty much out of it. esp. lately. now tRUMP will have to deal with a Harris-Obama ticket in 2024. Personally I prefer a Newscum-Shapiro ticket.

[joswift]

Michelle Obama puts her name in the hat, Biden steps down and Kamala becomes President leaving Obama out in the cold.

[LurkerNoMore]

Some loser somewhere is sitting on a bunch of FJB merchandise in their inventory that they planned to unload over the next few months and make a mint.

[irishdave]

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You stupid child

[mphgrove]

Kamala’s fate is in her own hands because swing voters (and there plenty of them to make a difference) more or less hold a negative view of her but they don’t really know her so how she comes across in the next few weeks/couple of the months will make a huge difference. On the other hand, swing voters also sort of hold a negative view of Trump but they KNOW him well. So Kamala’s vibes will make the difference. If she is not mean about it but goes back to “I’m the prosecutor/he’s the felon”, she may be able to pull it off. But I still give Trump the edge because of economic factors and backlash against progressive ideology, including the immigration debacle. We’ll see.

[Grape Ape]

Kamala’s fate is in her own hands because swing voters (and there are enough of them to make a difference) more or less hold a negative view of her but they don’t really know her so how she comes across in the next few weeks/couple of the months will make a huge difference. On the other hand, swing voters also sort of hold a negative view of Trump but they KNOW him well. So Kamala’s vibes will make the difference. If she is not mean about it but goes back to “I’m the prosecutor/he’s the felon”, she may be able to pull it off. But I still give Trump the edge because of economic factors and backlash against progressive ideology. We’ll see.

Lol, the Democrats dumped the worst candidate they had to run the second worst.

She's not going to win any independent over who hasn't made up their mind (if that even still exists).

Nobody wanted her in her own party during the primaries, and she's literally done nothing in the 3+ years as VP to change any of those democrats' minds, let alone any independents.

*Right now* her own party is split on her.  It's not going to get better. If she runs, certain dems will get in line and feign support to absolve themselves of blame when she loses,  but that's about it.

[mphgrove]

Lol, the Democrats dumped the worst candidate they had to run the second worst.

She's not going to win any independent over who hasn't made up their mind (if that even still exists).

Nobody wanted her in her own party during the primaries, and she's literally done nothing in the 3+ years as VP to change any of those democrats' minds, let alone any independents.

How are you so expert on independents? But I totally agree they will be the determining factor. If your assumption is correct, Trump will win. I think many many are still at play.

[Grape Ape]

How are you so expert on independents?

I get most of my information from independent news sources, and am one myself.

But the feelings on Harris have been evident for years.  How will a couple months of additional campaigning change that?

She's an awful candidate, a DEI hire that Biden didn't even need to win.

[mphgrove]

I get most of my information from independent news sources, and am one myself.

But the feelings on Harris have been evident for years.  How will a couple months of additional campaigning change that?

She's an awful candidate, a DEI hire that Biden didn't even need to win.

If you are, you do matter. But I definitely know non-politically oriented people who say, “I don’t know much about her.”

[Dave D]

If you are, you do matter. But I definitely know non-politically oriented people who say, “I don’t know much about her.”

That’s interesting. Do you think these type of people will learn enough about her over the course of the next 4 months, based on her past 3 years, where they can say they’re confident in her ability to run the country?

[Grape Ape]

If you are, you do matter. But I definitely know non-politically oriented people who say, “I don’t know much about her.”

That's fair.

But if she ends up being nominated, they're going to learn that she was made the Border Czar and failed, that her office was strife with turmoil and resignation, that she cannot speak well, and the Tulsi clip will get resurfaced.

But also don't forget, after the debate, so many turned on the Democrats for lying to the American public by covering up Biden's condition in conjunction with a complicit media.  That's why he's out, and she's going to be one of the top people associated with that.

[mphgrove]

That's fair.

But if she ends up being nominated, they're going to learn that she was made the Border Czar and failed, that her office was strife with turmoil and resignation, that she cannot speak well, and the Tulsi clip will get resurfaced.

But also don't forget, after the debate, so many turned on the Democrats for lying to the American public by covering up Biden's condition in conjunction with a complicit media.  That's why he's out, and she's going to be one of the top people associated with that.

I accept your first points (paragraph1) but not the second point (paragraph2). The second paragraph reflects the views of the 40 to 45 percent of people who are already baked-in for Trump, but not swing voters who felt Biden is too old (and incompetent) but do not necessarily have “resentments” about it.

Your points in paragraph1 summarize her significant weaknesses which no one with any sense will deny, and the Trump team will showcase them to the hilt.

It is just that Trump has significant weakness with the in-between group as well.

[mphgrove]

That’s interesting. Do you think these type of people will learn enough about her over the course of the next 4 months, based on her past 3 years, where they can say they’re confident in her ability to run the country?

Maybe, in the context of misgivings regarding Trump. But then again maybe not.

[Grape Ape]

I accept your first points (paragraph1) but not the second point (paragraph2). The second paragraph reflects the views of the 40 to 45 percent of people who are already baked-in for Trump, but not swing voters who felt Biden is too old (and incompetent) but do not necessarily have “resentments” about it.

Your points in paragraph1 summarize her significant weaknesses which no one with any sense will deny, and the Trump team will showcase them to the hilt.

It is just that Trump has significant weakness with that same in-between group as well.

If you follow this stuff, you can see significant changes in how folks view the Democrats now.  I have yet to see a split between the nuance you pointed out (old vs lack of Dem trust) but I feel it's intertwined.  Not saying it doesn't exist.

Either way, it's up to Harris now to sway, and I cannot see her doing that.  She's already out of the gate spewing bullshit how Joe's legacy is "unmatched in modern history"....nobody's buying that who wasn't already voting blue.

But, like you said, stuff will come out - it's already started:

https://x.com/JohnLeFevre/status/1815261710069985333

[Never1AShow]

There are only 5 states that matter: Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia and Arizona. It how they appeal to voters there that matters and that’s it.

[ElPolloSalmonello]

Poor Joe does not even know he is out and done.Jill has to repaint exterior of their house white so Joe still thinks he is in the White House.
Jill offers $30/ hr to lookalike Kamala to come every day to chit chat with blow Joe  .

You are welcome

[Donny]

I wonder how he would see the world now.
Has it changed?
Who are the new Nazis..

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[GymnJuice]

There are only 5 states that matter: Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia and Arizona. It how they appeal to voters there that matters and that’s it.

I agree with you. Those states used to be Florida and Ohio. Trump changed that. I don't see Kamala changing it back.

[mphgrove]

There are only 5 states that matter: Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia and Arizona. It how they appeal to voters there that matters and that’s it.

I give Trump the edge in four of those (POSSIBLY not Wisconsin or Michigan or Georgia) but there are undecideds in all five, and Trump favorability under 50% in all five.

[mphgrove]

I agree with you. Those states used to be Florida and Ohio. Trump changed that. I don't see Kamala changing it back.

Florida and Ohio and North Carolina DEFINITELY Trump. Nevada most likely Trump. No formerly blue states to Trump, even New Hampshire to Harris. Virginia might be a wild card exception which would mean an overall Trump victory if Virginia went to him.

[Irongrip400]

I get most of my information from independent news sources, and am one myself.

But the feelings on Harris have been evident for years.  How will a couple months of additional campaigning change that?

She's an awful candidate, a DEI hire that Biden didn't even need to win.

Just as Obama said “don’t underestimate Joes ability to fuck this up” don’t underestimate the hatred of many people in this country for Trump. They voted for a demented old man in Biden, just to keep Trump out. Kamala raised $81 million today, the most ever raised in a day. The goodwill of the survival of the assassination attempt will be long gone by November. I am still not so certain he’s got this thing in the bag.

[The Scott]

The Democrats electronically  and otherwise falsified the 2020 Presidential Election.  They hate America.  If you think or feel otherwise it matters not for that is the truth.

[mphgrove]

Just as Obama said “don’t underestimate Joes ability to fuck this up” don’t underestimate the hatred of many people in this country for Trump. They voted for a demented old man in Biden, just to keep Trump out. Kamala raised $81 million today, the most ever raised in a day. The goodwill of the survival of the assassination attempt will be long gone by November. I am still not so certain he’s got this thing in the bag.

It all depends on how she handles this. Very large numbers of people do not seem to know much about her. She can come on strong or she can screw it up. On Trump’s end, he can tone it down and seem “unifying” or he can go off the rails, as he so often does, and just seem weird and scary, especially to “suburban women”.

Time will tell, with Trump having a slight edge mainly because of inflation and the economy.

[Dokey111]

Why am I thinking Kamala better watch HER back? Nobody seems to want her, not even Dems.