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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10125 on: October 17, 2006, 06:49:20 PM »
oh brother.

now we are calculating muscle density and using that as a basis for winning contests.

whats next?

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you would like cock measurments wouldnt you?

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10126 on: October 17, 2006, 08:14:53 PM »
Pumpster, you have been put in your place so many times in this thread it's amazing you haven't killed yourself yet. Did you graduate from high school?

  As one of the guys who's put Pumpy in his place since May, when the thread started, I can assure you that he upgraded his post count by at least 1000 in this thread alone. How? By saying that Dorian was tier-B, that he had no biceps, that we're a bunch of nerds or Ironagers and posting the same three or four pics en absurdum. It gives me satisfaction that he doesen't even reply to my posts, because he knows he got owned. ;D At least Hulky makes an effort - although he gets destroyed, too -, but Pumpy has really sunk the level here. Look at my posts, and you'll see that I try to be as logical and empirical as possible when assessing what would happen in a theoretical confrontation between The Yates and Ronster at their respective bests - and I personally think Ronnie's best was at the 1996 Canada Pro Cup or the 1998 Olympia, but that's a different story. I waist my time, think the issue over, and for what? Hulky remains silent, because he knows he can't reply to me, while Pumpy simply posts the same pic from the 1994 Olympia or the one of Dorian in off-season mode, posing for Bev Francis. It's frustrating, but I keep posting because I know that people are reading it and seeing me humiliate Hulky&Pumpy - I got 47 PMs since June, complimenting me for the way I bitch-slap them. ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10127 on: October 17, 2006, 08:37:42 PM »
Guys come on, this is getting pointless. Pumpster, I understand your love of Coleman; however, for you to completely disregard the incredible size and conditioning that Dorian brought to the stage at his best is asinine.  He was the consummate pro.  He worked out, did not trash talk, and let his physique shine at the Mr. Olympia.  Granted, in 1994 and 1997 he may have been subpar; he did come in at very good conditioning and he still had the best back.  Compare this to Ronnie.  Ronnie came into the Mr. Olympia in 2005 at 275 pounds.  He was sliced and diced; even ND can admit this.  He won quite easily on paper.  He still had the best back and conditioning on stage.  He was never as hard as Yates, but he has superior taper and aesthetics at this body weight.  Then, Chad and he get the bright idea to come into this Olympia at near 300.  First of all, he got fat and disgusting in the off-season.  It is undeniable that part of the reason he never hit his peak this year is because he was so disgustingly fat for most of it.  If he would have stayed closer to contest weight, he would have won going away.  Instead, he came in bloated and repugnant.  I was embarrassed for him at the pre-judging.  I had him and Gutler fourth and third behind Martinez and Dex.  Unfortunately, the Olympia is all about size at the expense of shape so Gutler won...poor choice.  Thus, Dorian may have had some suspect victories, but he never came into the Olympia looking like he was three weeks out.  Ronnie came into this show looking far less conditioned than he looked four weeks out from the 2002 Mr. Olympia (remember the black and white photos form then).  If he would only realize that the name of the game is size with conditioning.  Even with the torn lat, he would have won if he would have been fifteen pounds lighter but in better condition.  Thus, stop ragging on Yate's gut and arms.  Coleman lacked a left lat, calves and thigh cuts this year.  At his best, Coleman was unbeatable.  He is now a shell of his former self.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10128 on: October 17, 2006, 08:43:50 PM »
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As one of the guys who's put Pumpy in his place since May, when the thread started, I can assure you that he upgraded his post count by at least 1000 in this thread alone.
Pumpy's been successful in having most of SUCKY's posts occur in the middle of the night, to avoid further intimidation. Still waiting for SUCKY's thought processes to round into something cogent.

Excellent arms, according to SUCKY:

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10129 on: October 17, 2006, 08:51:24 PM »
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Pumpster, I understand your love of Coleman; however, for you to completely disregard the incredible size and conditioning that Dorian brought to the stage at his best is asinine.  He was the consummate pro.
Nicky again clueless. As a long-time fan of BB it's immediately obvious to anyone with perspective that his arms were never in balance with the torso nor were they ever of the superstar size, shape or quality seen with previous greats dating back to the 60s. Nor was his waist, tapers or overall flow & lack of classic lines desirable to many. Hence the negative comments in the 90s by greats like Oliva and Schwarzenegger that Yates had taken BB in the wrong direction. Educate yourself on those difference before claiming to know otherwise.

He was also not the consume pro: consumate pros know how to smile onstage, not grimace the way he always did. Quick nicky, find me 5 on stage shots of this guy doing anything other than grimacing.

Also, he's rather pompous, which is not the trademark of a pro-even post-retirement interviews reveal that he really believes to this day that he was that much better than guys who deserved to beat his overhyped ass save for politics. There are now too many pics here that prove that point over and over again.

Lastly, I'm not a big fan of Coleman's, it's just glaringly obvious, as reflected by most of getbig in the poll that you're out of touch with. ;D

As someone quite concisely put it, for a multiple-year winner he was remarkably bereft of dominance.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10130 on: October 17, 2006, 09:04:55 PM »
Pumpy's been successful in having most of SUCKY's posts occur in the middle of the night, to avoid further intimidation. Still waiting for SUCKY's thought processes to round into something cogent.

  Yeah, too bad you couldn't reply when I called you out for the pseudo-logic of your your conspiracy therories. Or when I went in detail about Dorian's arms and why they're much, much better than you and Hulky give them credit for. All you could reply was posting the same pics again showing Dorian in bad lighting, from the 1994 Olympia. Shit: I wrote 6 paragraphs for nothing. :-X

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Excellent arms, according to SUCKY:

  Maybe not the best ever overrall, but it was never a liability that stopped him from winning Six Sandows, five of them dominantly. When talking about muscularity&symmetry in the relaxed round and on four of the six mandatrories - the most muscular was not a mandatory back then -, according to the judges, it wasn't even close. Only Nasser at the 1996 Olympia managed to make a dent in Dorian's shield, winning the abs-and-thigh and the front double biceps, and Dorian still won dominantly. No, Pumpy, these truly are great arms! ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10131 on: October 17, 2006, 09:12:40 PM »

considering that Lee Labrada had a better chest than dorian at his first Olympia win, I would say yes 8)


even in that pic, you can clearly see dorian's chest is better.

its bigger, harder, and has more striations. 
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10132 on: October 17, 2006, 09:19:12 PM »
Dorian's back was outstanding in 1997.

Everything else looked like shit. However, during his posing routine not once did I see stomach distension. He had a detailed midsection. That's something he never lost.

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« Reply #10133 on: October 17, 2006, 09:24:15 PM »
no one is disregarding dorian's best form (1993)

What IS being called into question is how he could have recieved such AMAZING scores relative to his competion when two of the LARGEST and most highly regarded bodyparts (quads and arms) were flawed in comparison to MANY of his competitors.

this does not add up.


1) you mean biceps.  not arms.

2) yates has some of the best and thickest tear drop development of all time.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10134 on: October 17, 2006, 09:31:35 PM »
why do you keep resorting to numbers?

everyone and their uncle can clearly see that Shawn was better than dorian that night. Use your eyes.

your numbers are meaningless in this sport.


but numbers are the representation of what acutally happened.

once again, anything related to yates and prooving you wrong, you discredit it and ignore it.

the numbers/scores represent the judges opinion.

shawn's conditioning in 94 was great and on par with dorian.

however, he seriously lacked the size and muscularity to beat or even come close to dorian. 

shawn is in great shape at 5'6 205 lbs.  dorian is in great shape at 5'10 and 260 lbs.

shawn stood no chance.

the judges did not award size alone.

they chose the winner with the best combination of size and conditioning, and that was dorian. 




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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10135 on: October 17, 2006, 09:38:21 PM »

1) you mean biceps.  not arms.

2) yates has some of the best and thickest tear drop development of all time.



no, I mean arms:











his arms are a weak point from almost every angle and in every pose except head on from the side.

there has been a lot of defending of Dorian's arms lately in this thread, which is dumb.

they were an obvious weak point.

We admit Ronnie's calves and abs SUCK, the same should be done for dorian's twigs...er...arms 8)
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10136 on: October 17, 2006, 09:40:16 PM »
Dorian's back was outstanding in 1997.

Everything else looked like shit. However, during his posing routine not once did I see stomach distension. He had a detailed midsection. That's something he never lost.

once again, people forget that there are 3 sides to a bodybuilder.

front, size, and rear.

dorian won the side and rear against everyone.  so he won the show.

instead of looking at some pics of dorian that were scanned from the December 97 issue of FLEX, watch the video and it will be clearly obvious.

the video is not on you tube.  

also, the review of the Olympia said : "once all angels have been considered, yates was the clear winner".  that's a quote from mcgough.

pumpster, once again playing games.

scanning this pic with shitty quality to illustrate his point.



instead of using this pic to show yates conditioning.  he was still the dryest and hardest man onstage in 97.



yeah, his arm is small, but look at the lats, chest, abs, and thigh seperations.

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« Reply #10137 on: October 17, 2006, 09:50:29 PM »
all this talk about dorian's arms.

however, hulkster and pumpster are conviently leaving out THE MOST important bodypart.

abs.

regardless of the rest of your bodyparts, if you abs arent detailed and hard, you will appear to be out of condition. 

ronnie's horrendous four pack would be much more of a liability than dorian's arms.

dorian's arms may not be that good in certain angles, but at least he was in shape.  always the hardest and dryest on stage.

his misection would make coleman look like he showed up for a quest posing due to all the water he holds there and lack of development.

yeah, yeah, you've said ronnie's abs sucked, but for the last 10 pages, you've criticized yates' arms (which is not totally unwarranted) but in reality, having a poor midsection is much more of a liability; especially against someone who has a great midsection. 

argubably the best of anyone over 260 lbs (save dillet).

dorian was on the same level with abs of shawn, kevin, and flex.

the same CANNOT BE said of ronnie.



(hulkster, check the arms and leg seperation on dorian).

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10138 on: October 17, 2006, 10:04:06 PM »
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dorian won the side and rear against everyone.  so he won the show.
Again not comprehending BB: front shots will always be the most important, whether the judges admit it or not. Front shots Yates got killed by any number of guys-when you have to resort to side and back shots to win, you're not dominant.

Here, Yates crushed in every conceivable fashion, even from the back:  ;D

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10139 on: October 17, 2006, 10:09:32 PM »
haha you guys are still at it?? I agree Dorian wasn't a Mr. O for nothing! GOD DAMN IT!
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10140 on: October 17, 2006, 10:09:34 PM »
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however, hulkster and pumpster are conviently leaving out THE MOST important bodypart.

abs.

regardless of the rest of your bodyparts, if you abs arent detailed and hard, you will appear to be out of condition. 
Your naivete on both Yates' waist problems and the fact that this was extensively covered in preceding pages you haven't bothered with in your arrogance, is glaring. You're not up on it in your pursuit of myopia, as usual.

-BOTH had GH guts that looked bad in side shots.

-ONLY YATES had a wide waist from the front. Combine a wide waist with less lat and shoulder width and overall less size up top than Coleman = far less taper = Yates "H-taper". Taper's one of the most fundamental criteria in BB..

You've been schooled. ;D

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« Reply #10141 on: October 17, 2006, 10:11:37 PM »
Again not comprehending BB: front shots will always be the most important, whether the judges admit it or not. Front shots Yates got killed by any number of guys-when you have to resort to side and back shots to win, you're not dominant.

Here, Yates crushed in every conceivable fashion, even from the back:  ;D


i agree with you about the front shots, but i dont agree with you about yates being 'killed' by any number of guys.



also, yates' back is the biggest, hardest, and has the most seperation.

nasser cheated and still lost (using banned diuretics).

shawn is 55 lbs. lighter.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10142 on: October 17, 2006, 10:13:07 PM »
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also, yates' back is the biggest, hardest, and has the most seperation.
He loses on virtually every level in that shot.

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« Reply #10143 on: October 17, 2006, 10:14:37 PM »
Your naivete on both Yates' waist problems and the fact that this was extensively covered in preceding pages you haven't bothered with in your arrogance, is glaring. You're not up on it in your pursuit of myopia, as usual.

-BOTH had GH guts that looked bad in side shots.

-ONLY YATES had a wide waist from the front. Combine a wide waist with less lat and shoulder width and overall less size up top than Coleman = far less taper = Yates "H-taper". Taper's one of the most fundamental criteria in BB..

You've been schooled. ;D


wrong again.


you try to avoid coleman's horrendous midsection, by bitching about how coleman's taper is better than yates'.

if they both had GH guts, dorian's was still hard and defined; whereas coleman's was pathetic.

yeah, it was discussed in a few replys on previous pages, but you rather talk about dorian's arms vs. ronnie's four pack, when the midsection is more important than arms.  
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10144 on: October 17, 2006, 10:15:55 PM »
He loses on virtually every level in that shot.


well, that's your opinion.

and it's wrong. 

who said so?

the judges.  their opinon matters; not yours.

oh yeah, lets hear the political theories on that one. 
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« Reply #10145 on: October 17, 2006, 10:16:17 PM »
Yates is crushing el sonbaty there. Nasser looks like a water buffalo.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10146 on: October 17, 2006, 10:19:11 PM »
the best back double bi i've seen of nasser.

nasser should have placed ahead of shawn that year. 
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« Reply #10147 on: October 17, 2006, 10:26:05 PM »
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you try to avoid coleman's horrendous midsection, by bitching about how coleman's taper is better than yates'.

if they both had GH guts, dorian's was still hard and defined; whereas coleman's was pathetic.
You're completely, utterly lost in rationalizations about what is trivia like who had the "harder GH gut"-as if that ever occurred or mattered to a judge! hahaahahahahaah. Assinine and desperate-Yates waist from the front was structurally always bigger, his width and upper body size smaller, equals far less taper. Nothing you can excuse away with some silly, arbitrary rhetoric that makes sense only to you. ;D

Even when Coleman was fat he never had a structurally wide waist re: front shots, always had a much better V as a result-i posted such pics long ago.

Seriously with this kind of one-sideness i think you're ready for a Yates blow-up doll.  :o

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10148 on: October 17, 2006, 10:31:50 PM »
You're completely, utterly lost in rationalizations about what is trivia like who had the "harder GH gut". Assinine and desperate-Yates waist from the front was structurally always bigger, his width and upper body size smaller, equals far less taper. Nothing you can excuse away with some silly, arbitrary rhetoric that makes sense only to you. ;D

Seriously with this kind of one-sideness i think you're ready for a Yates blow-up doll.  :o


why do you think that taper and midsection are the same thing.

they arent.

besides, having a detailed and hard midsection is, i think, more important that just having a good taper.

flex's taper was always better than coleman's, but coleman beat him bc of conditioning.

same thing with melvin anthony.

his taper is the best in the sport.  but he didnt place well soley on his taper.

he only started doing well when his CONDITIONING improved.



even yates' worse year, aint this pathetic.



four pack, gyno, torn lat and tricep - pretty cool - where can i sign up?

wow, talk about ownage. 

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #10149 on: October 17, 2006, 10:32:45 PM »
Woefully out of shape, still with the relatively small waist, wide lats/shoulders and pronounced V.

Yates with the classic H-taper thanks to excessively muscular obliques and structural width..