Guys come on, this is getting pointless. Pumpster, I understand your love of Coleman; however, for you to completely disregard the incredible size and conditioning that Dorian brought to the stage at his best is asinine. He was the consummate pro. He worked out, did not trash talk, and let his physique shine at the Mr. Olympia. Granted, in 1994 and 1997 he may have been subpar; he did come in at very good conditioning and he still had the best back. Compare this to Ronnie. Ronnie came into the Mr. Olympia in 2005 at 275 pounds. He was sliced and diced; even ND can admit this. He won quite easily on paper. He still had the best back and conditioning on stage. He was never as hard as Yates, but he has superior taper and aesthetics at this body weight. Then, Chad and he get the bright idea to come into this Olympia at near 300. First of all, he got fat and disgusting in the off-season. It is undeniable that part of the reason he never hit his peak this year is because he was so disgustingly fat for most of it. If he would have stayed closer to contest weight, he would have won going away. Instead, he came in bloated and repugnant. I was embarrassed for him at the pre-judging. I had him and Gutler fourth and third behind Martinez and Dex. Unfortunately, the Olympia is all about size at the expense of shape so Gutler won...poor choice. Thus, Dorian may have had some suspect victories, but he never came into the Olympia looking like he was three weeks out. Ronnie came into this show looking far less conditioned than he looked four weeks out from the 2002 Mr. Olympia (remember the black and white photos form then). If he would only realize that the name of the game is size with conditioning. Even with the torn lat, he would have won if he would have been fifteen pounds lighter but in better condition. Thus, stop ragging on Yate's gut and arms. Coleman lacked a left lat, calves and thigh cuts this year. At his best, Coleman was unbeatable. He is now a shell of his former self.