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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11775 on: November 04, 2006, 07:17:22 PM »
Coleman '95 & Yates would be close..

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11776 on: November 04, 2006, 07:18:25 PM »
Ronnie 98 vs. Ronnie 99 Back:




was ronnie really that much drier from the back in 98?

Because the pics do not show the difference.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11777 on: November 04, 2006, 07:18:59 PM »
Coleman '95 & Yates would be close..

hehehe good point 8)
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11778 on: November 04, 2006, 07:22:41 PM »
Ronnie was pretty damn dry in 98. Personally, I prefer when they are holding just a tad of water. It gives their muscles a much fuller appearance. This is one of the reasons why Dorian's back looked flat as a pancake.


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11779 on: November 04, 2006, 07:24:28 PM »

dear god :-\
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11780 on: November 04, 2006, 07:25:40 PM »
what contest is that from?

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11781 on: November 04, 2006, 07:27:09 PM »
1994 :-\

how ND can still argue that Shawn deserved to lose is beyond all reasonable comprehension.


even his back double bi stood up well - if not was better overall.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11782 on: November 04, 2006, 07:30:26 PM »
Dorian looking mediocre.


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11783 on: November 04, 2006, 07:30:44 PM »


yikes.

Coleman would have gained lots of points over Dorian in the relaxed round.

pretty tough to make up those points given how good ronnie is in the muscularity round..

winner: increasingly obvious that ronnie may not have had too much trouble with yates at his best.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11784 on: November 04, 2006, 07:33:14 PM »
itsn't it funny that Yates looks so good in ND's SOLITARY shots yet when ever he is standing beside even guys like Milos, he looks 50 times worse?

this is a fact that ND and Sucky cannot admit.

most of ND's "evidence" is meaningless.

Put yates next to others, and then it all becomes clear how "overrated" he really was.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11785 on: November 04, 2006, 07:33:57 PM »
Almost everyone there looks as good or better than a squat Yates.

Unfortunate that these guys didn't get the wins that were obviously deserved for all the hard work. Very suspect IFBB judging once again.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11786 on: November 04, 2006, 07:37:15 PM »
Dorian looking mediocre.



perfect example of the fact that TAPER can be very important in certain poses...


ND says otherwise, but the proof is in the pics.  Dorian has wide lats. But the waist ruins this effect to some degree.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11787 on: November 04, 2006, 07:39:50 PM »
Flex isn't even in that shot ::)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11788 on: November 04, 2006, 07:40:53 PM »
Quote from Arnold Schwarzenegger from his book ' The new encylopedia of modern bodybuilding '

It shows a pic from the guys in the rear latspread


" Check out Kevin Levrone , Dorian Yates , Shawn Ray and Chris Cormier in the 1995 Mr. Olympia. As great as thier backs , shoulders , traps and arms are , if nothing happened when they flexed their calves the entire effect would be ruined."

Like Ronnie in every back pose its incomplete Arnold knows this learn from the Greatest Bodybuilder Ever !!

Arnold should have looked at his own arms!


small tris anyone? ::)
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11789 on: November 04, 2006, 07:42:17 PM »
At his best 1993/1995 would give Ronnie a run for his money I don't care how big Ronnie was in 2003 , he's still down overall conditioning and balance & proportion , Ronnie may have had a walk in the park with Cutler and Dex , Dorian is another story , I'm more than willing to admit he might lose but it wouldn't be easy for either of them .

ND, the only guy who was close to Ronnie's 2003 size was Nasser and Fux.  Fux never quite got the conditioning.  Nasser did not know how to hit his back shot.  Dillet may have been close to that size, but his chest and back sucked.  Ronnie was thirty pounds bigger, in damn good shape, and would have been thicker than Dorian in every bodypart but calves.  However, to Dorian's credit he got in sick condtioning.  Thus, the show would have been very good.  I totally disagree that Dorian would be beaten soundly.  Dorian in 1993 is what I consider to be the second most muscular individual presentation to ever walk onto stage.  In 1993, his waist was also very tight.  Thus, I agree that he was completely spectacular.  In 1995, his conditioning may have been a tad better, but he had already lost half of his limbs (upper body).  Thus, the weakness would too much to overcome.  Besides, Coleman's calves may suck, but at least they are symmetrically lacking  ;D ;D.  Regardless, Dorian never beat a guy who was 285 and had the size and density of 2003 Coleman.  Then again, that year much have been a freak year for Coleman, because the only year he even came close was 2005.  He was still 15 or so pounds lighter, but in similar conditioning.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11790 on: November 04, 2006, 07:42:27 PM »
Flex isn't even in that shot ::)

true, the ninjas got him that year 8)

but Pumpster has a point: as more and more pics surface, and more videos for that matter, it becomes ever more difficult to try and argue that Shawn Ray should not have been Mr. Olympia 1994
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11791 on: November 04, 2006, 07:44:54 PM »
ND, the only guy who was close to Ronnie's 2003 size was Nasser and Fux.  Fux never quite got the conditioning.  Nasser did not know how to hit his back shot.  Dillet may have been close to that size, but his chest and back sucked.  Ronnie was thirty pounds bigger, in damn good shape, and would have been thicker than Dorian in every bodypart but calves.  However, to Dorian's credit he got in sick condtioning.  Thus, the show would have been very good.  I totally disagree that Dorian would be beaten soundly.  Dorian in 1993 is what I consider to be the second most muscular individual presentation to ever walk onto stage.  In 1993, his waist was also very tight.  Thus, I agree that he was completely spectacular.  In 1995, his conditioning may have been a tad better, but he had already lost half of his limbs (upper body).  Thus, the weakness would too much to overcome.  Besides, Coleman's calves may suck, but at least they are symmetrically lacking  ;D ;D.  Regardless, Dorian never beat a guy who was 285 and had the size and density of 2003 Coleman.  Then again, that year much have been a freak year for Coleman, because the only year he even came close was 2005.  He was still 15 or so pounds lighter, but in similar conditioning.

whenever this is brought up, ND trys to argue that Fux and Dillett were the equals of Coleman 2003 because they weighed the same.

his argument is that because Yates beat the 285 pound Nasser and Fux, that he would beat Coleman as well.

Of course, anyone can see how retarded this is.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11792 on: November 04, 2006, 07:45:48 PM »
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Flex isn't even in that shot
Cormier looking better than Yates there, as well as Ray. Levrone comparable or slightly better.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11793 on: November 04, 2006, 07:47:42 PM »
Cormier looking better than Yates there, as well as Ray.

Yes, and Cormier looked "better" than Ronnie in 98 too, what's your point. The biggest and best conditioning wins.

I would have judged things differently.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11794 on: November 04, 2006, 07:48:36 PM »
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Yes, and Cormier looked "better" than Ronnie in 98 too, what's your point.

The pics that have already been posted show quite the opposite. Do you ever think logically?

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11795 on: November 04, 2006, 07:49:25 PM »
The pics show quite the opposite. Do you ever think logically?

fuck the pictures.

I Watch the 98 Olympia video ;) 8)

Cormier had an awesome routine....I also was a big fan of Ahmad Haider....had a very dry quality to his physique

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11796 on: November 04, 2006, 07:50:17 PM »
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I Watch the 98 Olympia video

Post proof or you have nothing, in which case the pics already posted confirm the opposite.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11797 on: November 04, 2006, 07:52:26 PM »
whenever this is brought up, ND trys to argue that Fux and Dillett were the equals of Coleman 2003 because they weighed the same.

his argument is that because Yates beat the 285 pound Nasser and Fux, that he would beat Coleman as well.

Of course, anyone can see how retarded this is.

It is asinine to compare Fux, Nasser or Dillett to Coleman at his peak.  Coleman had much better shape, incredibly thick and sinewy musculature, and he got in damn good shape.  He is more vascular than Dorian; Dorian is drier with paper skin.  However, Ronnie looks every bit as shredded in certain poses as he has such overwhelming muscle size that they literally burst through his skin.  Granted, his age is definitely catching up to him, and I feel he should have retired on top last year.  Although he is but a shell of his former self, there is no denying his greatness when he was at his peak.  ND needs to at least give him his due.  I feel he is biased sometimes as Pumpster.  I dig you Pumpster, but you really should cut Doz some slack.  He and Haney are definitely greater than any B tier bodybuilder I have ever seen.  I have seen in Doz in action at the 1991 Mr. Olympia and he was damn impressive at 239 pounds.  A couple of years later he hit the stage at 256 or so.  Give the man credit.  ND, you are very intelligent; you obviously realize that Fux and Nasser are not even in the same galaxy as Coleman.  The only bodybuilder of that era that had the potential to go toe to toe with Doz was Francois.  The man was a freak, but unfortunately health issues took their toll.  Besides Francois, nobody came close to a peak Coleman. 

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11798 on: November 04, 2006, 07:52:30 PM »
hahah who is this idiot :-\

I don't have anything to prove to you old man...I made my own conclusions about Dorian, Ronnie...the 98O, etc, a long time ago...and I could care less what you type.

I would have have Ronnie in first in 98 by virtue of his backside (Cormier was better from the front), Cormier in 2nd, and Nasser in 3rd.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #11799 on: November 04, 2006, 07:53:32 PM »
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hahah who is this idiot

I don't have anything to prove to you old man...I made my own conclusions about Dorian, Ronnie...the 98O, etc, a long time ago...and I could care less what you type.

In that case you have nothing, as usual. The pics have already discredited your claims.  ;D