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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12150 on: November 06, 2006, 03:39:00 PM »
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these pics do more damage against your case than anything , finally some highquality pics of Yates at his finest .

ND, you will become the laughing stock of this board if you keep this up

damage my case?

I don't think so:
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12151 on: November 06, 2006, 03:41:45 PM »
can someone post the back double bi of both dorian and Ronnie?

there are shots of both of them in each set from a bit of a distance.

should be a cool comparison.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12152 on: November 06, 2006, 03:42:55 PM »
You can see striations yet they're covered in a nice layer of water his conditioning is NOT on par with Yates same with his distened midsection , no way as sharp as Yates.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12153 on: November 06, 2006, 03:44:41 PM »
can someone post the back double bi of both dorian and Ronnie?

there are shots of both of them in each set from a bit of a distance.

should be a cool comparison.


Here is Yates

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12154 on: November 06, 2006, 03:46:04 PM »
Yates looks really boring and lacking in specialness in that back double bi. Excellent conditioning.

Without morphing, the arms are again a liability in this same show.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12155 on: November 06, 2006, 03:47:42 PM »
The best back in history !!

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12156 on: November 06, 2006, 03:47:54 PM »
its okay, ND will give him an ass back massage and all will be well
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12157 on: November 06, 2006, 03:49:02 PM »
interesting closeups:
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12158 on: November 06, 2006, 03:49:07 PM »
Jesus those unmorphed shots have Yates' arms looking putrid.

There is not a single area in which Yates is comparable in that comparison. The difference in sheer muscle is obvious.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12159 on: November 06, 2006, 03:49:34 PM »
Unstopable !!

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12160 on: November 06, 2006, 03:50:18 PM »
interesting closeups:

Clearly shows Yates' back is dryer

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12161 on: November 06, 2006, 03:51:34 PM »
Superior triceps , look at the detail , the seperation and thickness and shape .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12162 on: November 06, 2006, 03:52:07 PM »
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Clearly shows Yates' back is dryer

Notice that he stays away from any other criteria, for good reason.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12163 on: November 06, 2006, 03:52:33 PM »
Jesus those unmorphed shots have Yates' arms looking putrid.

Pumpster, the dorian biceps shots are not morphed.

remember: the arm will look huge because the shot is from 12 inches away.

take a shot from a distance, and the arms look way smaller:

his arms were never really in proportion to the rest of his huge physique. Any shot from farther than 4 inches away reveals this easily:



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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12164 on: November 06, 2006, 03:53:14 PM »
Master poser showing everyone how its done .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12165 on: November 06, 2006, 03:54:09 PM »
Ronnie's back double bi makes dorian's look flat as a pancake
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12166 on: November 06, 2006, 03:56:34 PM »
Pumpster, the dorian biceps shots are not morphed.

remember: the arm will look huge because the shot is from 12 inches away.

take a shot from a distance, and the arms look way smaller:

his arms were never really in proportion to the rest of his huge physique. Any shot from farther than 4 inches away reveals this easily:





Just like his biceps suck and his has no detail  ::)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12167 on: November 06, 2006, 03:56:40 PM »
Ronnie's back double bi makes dorian's look flat as a pancake

kind of like ronnie's chest in the front double bi

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12168 on: November 06, 2006, 03:59:14 PM »
Ronnie's back double bi makes dorian's look flat as a pancake

Oh thats right the highly coveted " lumpiness " that the judges are always looking for lol disregaurd the fact that his lower back isn't on par on Yates or his dryness and density lol

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12169 on: November 06, 2006, 04:01:21 PM »
His density is outstanding !

ND, density is a two edged sword.  It is mass divided by volume (D = M/V).  Thus, the densest object in the known universe is a black hole with the size of pinhead.  Essentially, I agree that Yates appears drier.  That is unquestionable as his back has a detail that only guys twenty to thirty pounds lighter have.  However, he is noticeably smaller than Coleman.  His muscles are taut and dense.  Coleman's muscle bellies swell at their seams.  In no way is Dorian more conditioned than Ronnie (at his peak).  He lacks a very small layer of water that Ronnie probably genetically holds onto.  However, I gurantee if body fat densitometry were done, they would both be around 3% bodyfat.  Coleman by virtue of his genetics is larger and appears so, as he smaller joints.  Thus, the idea that density by itself makes a better bodybuilder is quite false.  It means Dorian is drier; that is all.  Second, muscle proportion is not Dorian's by a long shot.  Ronnie has superior arms, chest, thighs/hams and shoulders.  His thighs are clearly more muscular at his peak and separated.  You can see all three heads of Vastus, which is not apparent on Yates.  Yate's has a superior Sartorius, but that is because his other muscles of the thighs are not as well developed.  Coleman's hams absolutely destroy any version of Yates.  They are sliced and diced.  His glutes, although enormous from years of squatting seven hundred plus pounds, are shredded.  In some ways, as a medical professional, if I saw both of them side by side at their peak; I would surmise that Ronnie is actually leaner as his glutes are striated to a much greater degree than Dorian ever was.  The glutes are the last bodypart to get ripped.  However, Dorian has the genetic predisposition to get drier and not hold onto that sheen of water.  That water was especially apparent this year on Coleman at the pre-judging of the Olympia.  However, except for calves and abs, Dorian does not have any...and I emphasize this...appreciable advantages over Coleman.  At their best, Coleman would win in an unbiased contest.  I agree, some may choose Dorian, however he would win by at best a slight margin.  I feel that this thread has gone on far too long.  I don't like that Dorian is simply dismissed as B-tier, as he obviously fantastic.  However, science and bodybuilding by nature progress.  Coleman at his peak is the new pinnacle.  However, there is sure to be someone in the next decade or so that has advantages that he possesses (and thus Dorian) without the weaknesses.  It will happen; we just have to wait.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12170 on: November 06, 2006, 04:02:54 PM »
No one and I mean no one can match Yates for thickness , density , balance and conditioning !!

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12171 on: November 06, 2006, 04:09:46 PM »
ND, density is a two edged sword.  It is mass divided by volume (D = M/V).  Thus, the densest object in the known universe is a black hole with the size of pinhead.  Essentially, I agree that Yates appears drier.  That is unquestionable as his back has a detail that only guys twenty to thirty pounds lighter have.  However, he is noticeably smaller than Coleman.  His muscles are taut and dense.  Coleman's muscle bellies swell at their seams.  In no way is Dorian more conditioned than Ronnie (at his peak).  He lacks a very small layer of water that Ronnie probably genetically holds onto.  However, I gurantee if body fat densitometry were done, they would both be around 3% bodyfat.  Coleman by virtue of his genetics is larger and appears so, as he smaller joints.  Thus, the idea that density by itself makes a better bodybuilder is quite false.  It means Dorian is drier; that is all.  Second, muscle proportion is not Dorian's by a long shot.  Ronnie has superior arms, chest, thighs/hams and shoulders.  His thighs are clearly more muscular at his peak and separated.  You can see all three heads of Vastus, which is not apparent on Yates.  Yate's has a superior Sartorius, but that is because his other muscles of the thighs are not as well developed.  Coleman's hams absolutely destroy any version of Yates.  They are sliced and diced.  His glutes, although enormous from years of squatting seven hundred plus pounds, are shredded.  In some ways, as a medical professional, if I saw both of them side by side at their peak; I would surmise that Ronnie is actually leaner as his glutes are striated to a much greater degree than Dorian ever was.  The glutes are the last bodypart to get ripped.  However, Dorian has the genetic predisposition to get drier and not hold onto that sheen of water.  That water was especially apparent this year on Coleman at the pre-judging of the Olympia.  However, except for calves and abs, Dorian does not have any...and I emphasize this...appreciable advantages over Coleman.  At their best, Coleman would win in an unbiased contest.  I agree, some may choose Dorian, however he would win by at best a slight margin.  I feel that this thread has gone on far too long.  I don't like that Dorian is simply dismissed as B-tier, as he obviously fantastic.  However, science and bodybuilding by nature progress.  Coleman at his peak is the new pinnacle.  However, there is sure to be someone in the next decade or so that has advantages that he possesses (and thus Dorian) without the weaknesses.  It will happen; we just have to wait.

He ' appears ' smaller than Ronnie , he wouldn't side-by-side and Ronnie does have more volume but at the expense of dryness , he is fuller but he's still down on overall dryness and needless to say I strongly disgree when you say Dorian doesn't have any ' appreciable advantages  ' he clearly has a tighter midsection , better abdominals , serattus , intercostles , obliques , and calves needless to say , triceps , forearms , and back , the backs are very comprable however Ronnie can't match Dorian for lowerback , couple that with better balance & proportion , density , thickness and conditioning and that all spells massive trouble for Coleman.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12172 on: November 06, 2006, 04:14:57 PM »
No one and I mean no one can match Yates for thickness , density , balance and conditioning !!

ND, I agree that 1993 was Yate's best year.  He looked incredible.  But, being critical, his waist is disproportianately large, he lacks detail in his thighs and his width from the front is diminished as he lacks the aesthetics of a Flex or Haney.  Unquestionably, his back and calves are out of this world; they are supernatural.  However, his flaws are plainly evident, as are every bodybuilders.  Ronnie at his peak had smaller obliques, larger and more detailed arms, chest and shoulders.  His calves were a definite weak point and I give you the disparity between them and his thighs is inexcusable.  However, Dorian's conditioning was by no means markedly better.  Ronnie had more detail (vascularity, striations) in his chest, arms and thighs.  His glutes are ripped.  I know you hate large glutes, but they are the largest muscle group in the body and if worked properly will grow.  So, appreciate his glutes for what they are, the largest most defined set to ever walk this Earth...lol.  I know, getting pants to fit over them would be hell.  Regardless, Dorian in no way dominates Ronnie.  Conversely, Ronnie in no way dominates Dorian (at their peak remember).  It would be a great show.  We may differ on who we prefer, but at least we can agree that it would be a hell of a lot more fun than Ronnie vs Jay 2006. Peace all.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12173 on: November 06, 2006, 04:16:21 PM »
i cant beleive we are almost at 500, holy shit!!!!!

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #12174 on: November 06, 2006, 04:18:51 PM »
He ' appears ' smaller than Ronnie , he wouldn't side-by-side and Ronnie does have more volume but at the expense of dryness , he is fuller but he's still down on overall dryness and needless to say I strongly disgree when you say Dorian doesn't have any ' appreciable advantages  ' he clearly has a tighter midsection , better abdominals , serattus , intercostles , obliques , and calves needless to say , triceps , forearms , and back , the backs are very comprable however Ronnie can't match Dorian for lowerback , couple that with better balance & proportion , density , thickness and conditioning and that all spells massive trouble for Coleman.

ND, I can say the same about biceps, triceps (yes, Coleman's are bigger and this is evident from certain poses), chest, upper back, shoulders, hams, thighs and glutes.  I concur that Doz him on abs (serratus, intercostals, etc) and calves but I disagree about forearms.  I believe their forearm size is very similar, but Ronnie's arms are bigger thus the illusion.  Also, Ronnie has smaller joints so Dorian's appear to taper a bit more.  Regardless, at least admit that it would be a hell of a show my friend.  I completely disagree with Hulkster and Pumpster about Coleman's dominance.  I think it would be a hell of a good show.