Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[mesmorph78]

yates ...
to my eyes.. should have never beaten ray levrone dillet of flex..
his genetics sucked...
he had the WORST build of all the mr olympias
as i have said before yates was a conditioned fux....
very ugly phyique..

[pumpster]

yates ...
to my eyes.. should have never beaten ray levrone dillet of flex..

Lavrone, Dillet & Flex all deserving at least one Olympia each should've taken turns trampling his distended ass except for politics.

Yates with 1-2 Olympias sounds right. The Columbu of the 90s.

[Dingleberry]

Another hypocritical Coleman fan , why? Ronnie has the biggest gut of ANY Mr Olympia ever and you're reduced to calling Dorian ' pot bellied '  Dorian is armless , but its quite okay for Ronnie to be calfless? quadless?  this is my favorite , ' construction worker ' lol this is what you've been redeuced to?  ' construction worker '
lol that  ' construction worker ' as you so elloquintly put it , beat your hero eight times

Dorian was a winner right out of the box , Ronnie was NOT , first Pro contest Dorian placed 2nd and Ronnie placed 11th , first pro win for Dorian came after just 1 year of competing , Ronnie came 4 years after competing , in his first Mr Olympia Dorian placed 2nd , in his first Ronnie placed 16th !! it took Dorian just 2 years to win the Mr Olympia on his second try , it took Ronnie 7 years !! Dorian lost only twice in his Pro career and Ronnie lost 35 times , including 1 time while he was Mr Olympia !! Dorian entered 17 contests and won 15 of them , Ronnie entered 61 and won 26 times , thats 3 1/2 times more contests than Dorian contests than Dorian and he has just 9 more wins , Dorian has a win percentage rate of 88% and Ronnie just 42% thats less tha half of Dorians , these numbers speak volumes of how great Dorian Yates was

Now the problem with all of the Coleman fans is they can't see facts , they're blinded by pure devotion , they just can't see how anyone could even for a moment entertain how Dorian could even come close to Ronnie , after all Ronnie is so genetically superior to Dorian , his has everything that Dorian doesn't , he has advantages Dorian only dreamed of , and yet he still beat Ronnie eight previous times , another problem with a lot of Coleman fans is they can't seperate their personal feelings of prefference to facts , and the fact is while you may not like his phsyique or you think it sucks and Ronnie's was more aesthetically pleaseing , it doesn't change the fact that Dorian was a great champion just based on his numbers alone , nevermind for his physique , which like it or not change the sport , he beat Lee Haney in the muscularity round , that was unheard of , no one and I mean no one made any progress in making a dent into Haney's armor and Yates comes along in his first Mr Olympia and beat the previous 7 time Mr Olympia in the musclarity round , anyway you can bitch & moan about his phsyique , he has numbers & stats that speak volumes about his greatness , now you can agrue about how ugly his phsyique is , but no one can argue the facts , case closed .

[NarcissisticDeity]

Deaf, in the sense that your not getting your point across at all. How many people do you believe you've converted to your way of thinking and rationale.

Answer - None.

I'm not looking for convents genius , I don't want one single person to say " Hey you know what I used to think Ronnie is better now I'm with you and Dorian is better "  you're wrongly under the assumption I'm looking for converts , maybe thats your trian of thought I could care less either way !!

[FREAKgeek]

construction worker - new getbig term?

you guys crack me up.

[NarcissisticDeity]

yates ...
to my eyes.. should have never beaten ray levrone dillet of flex..
his genetics sucked...
he had the WORST build of all the mr olympias
as i have said before yates was a conditioned fux....
very ugly phyique..

Thats because you can't look beyond your own prefferences , when you say his genetics sucked , its laughable , I agree Flex could have beaten Yates , Dillet , Levrone and Ray wasn't going to .

[NarcissisticDeity]

Again yawn. We've heard this countless times. How much emphasises can you put on stats and numbers in a politcially determined arena? Why bring Haney into this?

Oh I see now , when you can't argue with the facts , they become part of an IFBB conspircy , I like how the facts & figures are suspect when Dorian won but when Ronnie won , hypocrite and Haney was brought into this for the simple fact that Dorian beat him in the muscularity round , up until that time no one was even in Haney's leauge , so for Dorian to do that was an accomplishment .

[NarcissisticDeity]

you girls need  to stop with the "my barbie doll is better than yours" shit. yates had "weak" bis, ronnies has weaker calves. 2 best backs in bb history. some pics give the edge to yates and some to ronnie. what we do know is yates never was threatened by ronnie, ever. we also know yates never lost a show after he won the o. ronnie got beat as mr o(at a lame show). yates never went into the night show with a deficit in points, ronnie did(2001). stop the hate, dorian ruled, now ronnie is. we all know the "truth" and yates got 6 o's facing the best ever ray and levrone and many others. ronnies only has to fend off cutler as no one else is stepping up. funnything is if /when yates and ronnie get together, do you think they argue about this shit. hell no.

Great post !!

[mesmorph78]

Thats because you can't look beyond your own prefferences , when you say his genetics sucked , its laughable , I agree Flex could have beaten Yates , Dillet , Levrone and Ray wasn't going to .

nothing to do with personal preference...
can you not get it through your head its simple arithemetic

yates vs dillet

back...dillet is owend...

everything else..... yates is CRUSHED

thats alll dillet had.. a good back.... everything else sucked.... bar calves....
so what about the guys with blatantantly better delts and arms for eg.. should they not be rewarded.. as yates was for his back???

with ronnie.. all his bodyparts bar abs and calves are world beaters...
thats is why ronnie is better than yates.... it is that simple....

argualbly ronnie has one of the best..chest....
arguable bet arms
arguably best delts
best back
arguably best quads....

you cannot legitimatly make the same statemants...about yates bar back... he is just one bodypart...
overall his build is awful......
its just as simple as that....

[NarcissisticDeity]

nothing to do with personal preference...
can you not get it through your head its simple arithemetic

yates vs dillet

back...dillet is owend...

everything else..... yates is CRUSHED

thats alll dillet had.. a good back.... everything else sucked.... bar calves....
so what about the guys with blatantantly better delts and arms for eg.. should they not be rewarded.. as yates was for his back???

with ronnie.. all his bodyparts bar abs and calves are world beaters...
thats is why ronnie is better than yates.... it is that simple....

argualbly ronnie has one of the best..chest....
arguable bet arms
arguably best delts
best back
arguably best quads....

you cannot legitimatly make the same statemants...about yates bar back... he is just one bodypart...
overall his build is awful......
its just as simple as that....

You can break it down part by part and some may have better parts but to the parts all conect to make a great whole? this is one area that Dorian had a lot of guys covered in , Dorian's parts may not have been the best in the world but they were good enough , and it takes a lot more than the best parts & the best genetics to be the best , okay you have a great phsyique , if your conditioning sucks you're out of luck , if you can't pose to show it off to its absolute best , you're out of luck , if your work ethtic is ho-hum , you're out of luck , etc , etc , there is a lot more than having the best shape & parts to winning , your prefer other bodybuilders and that why you can't see how good Dorian was .

[mesmorph78]

dont get it twisted.. i think dorian was good....
i love his blood n guts video...

but however i dont think dorian has a better body than any of the aforementioned bbers....
conditioning and back yes...

0 aethetics.... 1 knockout bodypart
thats it

[sculpture]

dont get it twisted.. i think dorian was good....
i love his blood n guts video...

but however i dont think dorian has a better body than any of the aforementioned bbers....
conditioning and back yes...

0 aethetics.... 1 knockout bodypart
thats it

That pretty much sums it up except he's got 2 knockout bodyparts - calves and back. Chest was average, arms obviously poor, shoulders standard, hams decent, quads average and average mid section.

And please, Nd et al don't post start posting pics suggesting his arms, shoulders etc are anything better than average because we can post a plethora of better examples on innumerable bbers.

Example you claim he has "great" triceps. He didnt when you consider an example like this.
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[NarcissisticDeity]

That pretty much sums it up except he's got 2 knockout bodyparts - calves and back. Chest was average, arms obviously poor, shoulders standard, hams decent, quads average and average mid section.

And please, Nd et al don't post start posting pics suggesting his arms, shoulders etc are anything better than average because we can post a plethora of better examples on innumerable bbers.

Example you claim he has "great" triceps. He didnt when you consider an example like this.
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I don't have to knitpick on bodyparts , he beat guys with much better , shape , size , conditioning , triceps , biceps , hams , delts , etc , its all moot , he still ended up the winner at the end of the day .

[sculpture]

Winner at the end of the day? So is coleman. Yet that isnt good enough for you.

[mesmorph78]

I don't have to knitpick on bodyparts , he beat guys with much better , shape , size , conditioning , triceps , biceps , hams , delts , etc , its all moot , he still ended up the winner at the end of the day .

Exactly ND you said it right there....
he "beat" them .... but the have better bodypart which makes up a body... which suggests he didnt really beat them... just a flawed judging system...thats all...

what your sayin is.... in a breast contest.. cathy beat the other contestants who had bigger breasts than her!?
does that make any sense to you.....
cmon man i know you are obviously an intelligent man....
to see how flawed your post is?

[dearth]

you did not comment, because you avoid any topic that makes ronnie look bad.

you seem to be twisting the dates to your advantage.

let me lay out some simple logic for you:

1997 pre-chad - 15 inch calves
2005 with chad - 20 inch calves

none of his other bodyparts made such a dramatic change.
I don't think ronnie coleman suddenly discovered the calve raise machine thanks to chad.
you can continue to believe that ronnie would never ever do such a thing such as use site injections to win the olympia, but then you'd be gullible.

I didn't comment on the calves because it is absolutely baseless.

Just because his calves grew slightly (still shitty) does not mean he used oil.

The rest of him grew by leaps and bounds so why wouldn't his calves grow?

Did the rest of his size come from oil too?

And besides, his calves do NOT look any different from 1999 to 2005:



if he was injecting oil, you would see a difference.
You can't say that just because his calves were smaller in 1995 that he must have started injecting oil when he started working with chad.

If that is your basis for the accusation, then you could argue the same about every muscle in his body.  He grew by leaps and bounds because of increased drugs and training intensity (and probably frequency?). Not from oil or site injections.

Unless you can come up with reasonable evidence, the accustion remains nothing more than a shot at the champ (who is killing dorian in this debate).

case closed.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Exactly ND you said it right there....
he "beat" them .... but the have better bodypart which makes up a body... which suggests he didnt really beat them... just a flawed judging system...thats all...

what your sayin is.... in a breast contest.. cathy beat the other contestants who had bigger breasts than her!?
does that make any sense to you.....
cmon man i know you are obviously an intelligent man....
to see how flawed your post is?

No you're mistaken its not who has the best bodyparts who wins a contest , its not who has the most size , or the best shape or conditioning , its the combination of  everything , and make no mistake Dorian had all the bases covered , Dorian had size , conditioning , shape , detail , posing , muscularity , and he simply looked better in most of the mandaory poses compared to his contemporaries , the sum of all of Dorian's parts made for one very impressive whole and thats what matters , I say pre tear Dorian looked amazing in almost every single mandatory pose , and while there are others who may have looked better than Yates in some poses , they couldn't tally up all the poses like he could , perfect example , Nasser match or even surpassed Yates from the front , from the side & back he got owned , simple case of not having all the bases covered , Flex Wheeler had a better front & back double bicep shot than Yates , Yates had him covered in the ab-thigh , side chest , latspreads , side tri , etc , Paul Dillet could challenge Yates in size & had better shape , but his latspreads sucked , his back double bicep sucked , and to boot his conditioning ( and back ) were not on par with Yates , Shawn Ray could match Yates for detail , conditioning , and aesthetics , but he was 50lbs lighter and this is a big mans game , Levrone , had size & aesthetics , plus good conditioning , he could handed Yates his ass in a few mandartories , but his back wasn't up to Yates and the trend with Mr Olympias is outstanding back development !! so while some guys had clear-cut advantages on Yates they always feel short in the end one way or another .

[NarcissisticDeity]

you did not comment, because you avoid any topic that makes ronnie look bad.

you seem to be twisting the dates to your advantage.

let me lay out some simple logic for you:

1997 pre-chad - 15 inch calves
2005 with chad - 20 inch calves

none of his other bodyparts made such a dramatic change.
I don't think ronnie coleman suddenly discovered the calve raise machine thanks to chad.
you can continue to believe that ronnie would never ever do such a thing such as use site injections to win the olympia, but then you'd be gullible.

You know you make a good point , simply because Ronnie in 1997 had no calves I mean really no calves and then by the time he is working with Chad his lower legs start to grow?? I mean Ronnie said he was lifting since he was like 13 and all the sudden his calves decide to grow? sounds real fishy , check these pics from 1997 .

[Hulkster]

You know you make a good point , simply because Ronnie in 1997 had no calves I mean really no calves and then by the time he is working with Chad his lower legs start to grow?? I mean Ronnie said he was lifting since he was like 13 and all the sudden his calves decide to grow? sounds real fishy , check these pics from 1997 .

how does that shot look any different than 2003 when he weighed 287 pounds?


 

ps - none of his other bodyparts grew that dramatically?

You guys are as blind we say you are..

You guys are really, really grabbing for straws about Ronnie calves..

[Hulkster]

I have just watched the prejudging for the 1999 Olympia and I am convinced that Ronnie in that shape would destroy any construction worker that he faced.

His back was hard as nails, and he had cuts everywhere...

If only someone could post a clip of the first set of comparisons between Chris, Flex and Ronnie...

It would end this debate forever..

I think Ronnie looked even tighter at the pre-judging than he did at the night show that year..

[NarcissisticDeity]

how does that shot look any different than 2003 when he weighed 287 pounds?


 

ps - none of his other bodyparts grew that dramatically?

You guys are as blind we say you are..

You guys are really, really grabbing for straws about Ronnie calves..

Yes other parts grew by leaps & bounds but his calves are suspect , Shawn Ray has high calves and they're well developed Coleman's aren't , they always appear to be smooth , maybe he didn't use anything but his calves look odd 

[Hulkster]

Yes other parts grew by leaps & bounds but his calves are suspect , Shawn Ray has high calves and they're well developed Coleman's aren't , they always appear to be smooth , maybe he didn't use anything but his calves look odd 

ronnie's calves suck compared to the rest of him, but just because they suck (are fairly smooth) that doesn't mean they are full of oil.  They have ALWAYS been smooth.

If his calves were once small and detailed and then all of a sudden became huge and smooth, then I could see an arguement.

But, like most of your points, you have no argument.

But, in your desperation, you guys are taking shots at the champ because you know you are losing this debate most painfully.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I have just watched the prejudging for the 1999 Olympia and I am convinced that Ronnie in that shape would destroy any construction worker that he faced.

His back was hard as nails, and he had cuts everywhere...

If only someone could post a clip of the first set of comparisons between Chris, Flex and Ronnie...

It would end this debate forever..

I think Ronnie looked even tighter at the pre-judging than he did at the night show that year..

I seen the clips of Ronnie at the 99 Olympia he looked great but he was not as Dry or Hard as he was at the 1998 Olympia , he was fuller , but he paid the price with out being as dry , and it wouldn't put an end to anything , it would only reaffirm your beliefs , maybe he would beat Dorian in his 99 Olympia form , from my point of veiw he wouldn't in the end its just opposing opinions .

[Hulkster]

I have not seen the 98 show yet, but I can say this (and even the ironman coverage commented on this):

In 1998 his quads were not very cut (like dorian's have always been).

In 1999, his quads were sliced, like dorian dreamt about every night.

Having sliced quads makes your overall look a whole lot better.

That is only a small, tiny, minute, infinitesmimal fraction of why dorian suffered in the opinion of most on this board:

his quads sucked.

it was only a very small peice of the "this guy is so overrated" argument.

After all, Dorian was, and remains, forevermore, the Supreme Ruler of All Overratedness!

[NarcissisticDeity]

ronnie's calves suck compared to the rest of him, but just because they suck (are fairly smooth) that doesn't mean they are full of oil.  They have ALWAYS been smooth.

If his calves were once small and detailed and then all of a sudden became huge and smooth, then I could see an arguement.

But, like most of your points, you have no argument.

But, in your desperation, you guys are taking shots at the champ because you know you are losing this debate most painfully.

Again how can one lose something so subjective as an opinion on a bodybuilders physique? lol you're obsessed with the notion there you can ' win ' this but veiwing in that context you already lost , because its a fucking opinion , It never once crossed my mind that one day you would say " okay you win " you're like me and are strong with your opinion , and you're not going to change , any who cares? anyway his calves look odd , I've seen pleanty of guys with small high calves and they didn't lack devlopment or look glossy , I'm more than willing to say he never used oil but as Shawn would say things that make you go Hmmmmmmmmmmm.