Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NarcissisticDeity]

furthermore, the judges do NOT think ronnie's superripped glutes are a liability.

they always wow the judges and the crowd.

I don't see the judges constantly going on about his striated ass its only his nuthugging fans lol and somethings wrong when your ass can be seen from the front .

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND is right.

Ronnie lags behind dorian in the lower back.

Problem is,

Dorian lags behind Ronnie in:

1. overall taper
2. vascularity
3. striations
4. biceps
5. glutes.
6. hams
7. upper back.
8 chest
9. overall arms
10. quads.

 

What a pathetic attempt at creating numbers to justify your case  entertaining your nonsense none of that matters , why? because Ronnie doesn't look as good as Dorian in most of the mandatory poses according to the offcial IFBB judging criteria

Front Lat Spread (see Figure 2)
Standing face front to the judges, with the legs and feet a
short distance apart, the competitor will place the open
hands, or clenched fists, against, or gripping, the lower
waist or obliques and will expand the latissimus muscles.
At the same time, the competitor should attempt to
contract as many other frontal muscles as possible. It
shall be strictly forbidden for the competitor to pull up on
the posing trunks so as to show the top inside of the
quadriceps.
The judge should first see whether the competitor can
show a good spread of the latissimus muscles, thereby
creating a V-shaped torso. Then the judge should
continue with the head-to-foot survey, noting first the
general aspectsof the physique and then concentrating on
the more detailed aspects of the various muscle groups.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Abdominals and Thighs (see Figure 7)
Standing face front to the judges, the competitor will
place both arms behind the head and will place one leg
forward. He will then contract the abdominal muscles by
55
“crunching” the trunk slightly forward. At the same time,
he will contract the thigh muscles of the forward leg.
The judge will survey the abdominal and thigh muscles,
and then conclude with the head-to-foot examination.

[NarcissisticDeity]

6. Side Triceps (see Figure 6)
The competitor may choose either side for this pose so as
to show the “better” arm. He will stand with his left or
right side towards the judges and will place both arms
behind his back, either linking his fingers or grasping the
front arm by the wrist with his rear hand. The leg nearest
the judges will be bent at the knee and the foot will rest
flat on the floor. The competitor will exert pressure
against his front arm, thereby causing the triceps muscle
to contract. He will also raise the chest and contract the
abdominal muscles as well as the thigh and calf muscles.
The judge will first survey the triceps muscles, and
conclude with the head-to-foot examination. In this pose,
the judge will be able to survey the thigh and calf muscles
in profile, which will help in grading their comparative
development more accurately.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Back Lat Spread (see Figure 5)
Standing with his back to the judges, the competitor will
place his hands on his waist with his elbows kept wide,
one foot back and resting on the toes. He will then
contract the latissimus dorsi as wide as possible and
display a calf contraction by pressing downward on the
rear toes. The competitor should make an effort to
display the opposite calf to that which was displayed
during the back double biceps pose so the the judge may
assess both calf muscle equally. It shall be strictly
forbidden for the competitor to pull up on the posing
trunks so as to show the gluteus maximus muscles.
The judge will look for a good spread of the latissimus
dorsi, but also for good muscle density and will again
conclude with the head-to-foot survey.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Back Double Biceps (see Figure 4)
Standing with his back to the judges, the competitor will
bend the arms and wrists as in the Front Double Biceps
pose, and will place one foot back, resting on the toes.
He will then contract the arm muscles as well as the
muscles of the shoulders, upper and lower back, thigh
and calf muscles.

The judge will first survey the arm muscles and then do
the head-to-foot survey, during which there are more
muscle groups to look at than in all of the other poses.
This includes the neck, deltoids, biceps, triceps, forearm,
trapezius, teres, infraspinatus, erector spinae, external
obliques, latissimus dorsi, gluteus, thigh biceps, and
calves. This pose, probably more than the others, will
help the judge to determine the quality of the
competitor’s muscle density, definition, and overall
balance.

[NarcissisticDeity]

3. Side Chest (see Figure 3)
The competitor may choose either side for this pose, in
order to display the “better” arm. He will stand with his
left or right side towards the judges and will bend the arm
nearest the judges to a right-angle position, with the fist
clenched and, with the other hand, will grasp the wrist.
The leg nearest the judges will be bent at the knee and
will rest on the toes. The competitor will then expand the
chest and by upward pressure of the front bent arm and
contract the biceps as much as possible. He will also
contract the thigh muscles, in particular, the biceps
femoris group, and by downward pressure on his toes,
will display the contracted calf muscles.
The judge will pay particular attention to the pectoral
muscles and the arch of the rib cage, the biceps, the leg
biceps and the calves, and will conclude with the head-tofoot
examination. In this pose the judge will be able to
survey the thigh and calf muscles in profile, which will
help in grading their comparative development more
accurately.

[Hulkster]

face it ND: the whole board knows you lost the minute the 99 and 93 stuff was put up.

posting solitary close up shots of dorian won't help your case now.

all the closeups in the world cannot top Ronnie in 99:

[pumpster]

Maybe ND's formulas will reverse the carnage:

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on November 11, 2006, 06:34:26 PM
The debate can be summed up mathematically Ronnie's win/loss percentage rate is just 40% Dorian's is 88% now if the two meet at thier respective bests who do you think the odds favor?

Ronnie competed 65 times as a pro and won just 26 times , Dorian compated 17 times and won 15 , Ronnie only won 11 more contests in almost as 4 times the total ammout contests Yates competed in .

Ronnie win/loss = 40.0%

Dorian win/loss = 88.2%


BbScore = ((S*s + C*c + P*p + M*m)/4) * (Wl * Mw)

s+c+p+m = 1

S = symmetry score, 1-10
s = symmetry importance coefficient

C=Condition score 1-10
c= condition importance coefficient

P = Posing score 1-10
p = posing importance coefficient

M=Muscularity score 1-10
m = muscularity importance coefficient

Wl = win/loss ratio.

Mw = Mr.Olympia wins. In this formula, this is the most important factor.


Conclusion:

[NarcissisticDeity]

face it ND: the whole board knows you lost the minute the 99 and 93 stuff was put up.

posting solitary close up shots of dorian won't help your case now.

all the closeups in the world cannot top Ronnie in 99:

keep posting nonmandatory poeses and poses from the knees up

99 old news , the video has been posted dozens of times you act like you've never seen it before  Yates dominates all comers !!

[Hulkster]

ND, all the bullshit words you can post cannot change this fact:

DORIAN FEARS FLEA LABRADA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:

[NeoSeminole]

Ronnie making Dorian look like a child.

[pumpster]

Front Lat Spread (see Figure 2)
Standing face front to the judges, with the legs and feet a
short distance apart, the competitor will place the open
hands, or clenched fists, against, or gripping, the lower
waist or obliques and will expand the latissimus muscles.
At the same time, the competitor should attempt to
contract as many other frontal muscles as possible. It
shall be strictly forbidden for the competitor to pull up on
the posing trunks so as to show the top inside of the
quadriceps.
The judge should first see whether the competitor can
show a good spread of the latissimus muscles, thereby
creating a V-shaped torso. Then the judge should
continue with the head-to-foot survey, noting first the
general aspectsof the physique and then concentrating on
the more detailed aspects of the various muscle groups

Abdominals and Thighs (see Figure 7)
Standing face front to the judges, the competitor will
place both arms behind the head and will place one leg
forward. He will then contract the abdominal muscles by
55
“crunching” the trunk slightly forward. At the same time,
he will contract the thigh muscles of the forward leg.
The judge will survey the abdominal and thigh muscles,
and then conclude with the head-to-foot examination.

6. Side Triceps (see Figure 6)
The competitor may choose either side for this pose so as
to show the “better” arm. He will stand with his left or
right side towards the judges and will place both arms
behind his back, either linking his fingers or grasping the
front arm by the wrist with his rear hand. The leg nearest
the judges will be bent at the knee and the foot will rest
flat on the floor. The competitor will exert pressure
against his front arm, thereby causing the triceps muscle
to contract. He will also raise the chest and contract the
abdominal muscles as well as the thigh and calf muscles.
The judge will first survey the triceps muscles, and
conclude with the head-to-foot examination. In this pose,
the judge will be able to survey the thigh and calf muscles
in profile, which will help in grading their comparative
development more accurately.

Back Lat Spread (see Figure 5)
Standing with his back to the judges, the competitor will
place his hands on his waist with his elbows kept wide,
one foot back and resting on the toes. He will then
contract the latissimus dorsi as wide as possible and
display a calf contraction by pressing downward on the
rear toes. The competitor should make an effort to
display the opposite calf to that which was displayed
during the back double biceps pose so the the judge may
assess both calf muscle equally. It shall be strictly
forbidden for the competitor to pull up on the posing
trunks so as to show the gluteus maximus muscles.
The judge will look for a good spread of the latissimus
dorsi, but also for good muscle density and will again
conclude with the head-to-foot survey.


Conclusion:

[NarcissisticDeity]

I am pretty much done with this thread.

Over the course of this thread, we have been debating who was better Ronnie versus dorian using their 99 (some used 2003) and 93 respective bests.

but we were doing so based on very little evidence.

up until now, there was almost no pics/videos of either Dorian 93 or Ronnie 99.

Then, a few days ago, the 99 Ronnie pics were posted and the collective jaw of Getbig dropped when they saw how ripped, huge and shapely Ronnie was.

no one gave a shit about dorian until a day later.

At first, Sucky and ND, did not really have much to say.

then they decide, the hell with it, we can't argue this anymore, so we will just go on as if the pics/video was never posted.

they continued with their (now proven wrong) garbage about how much harder dorian was, how much dryer he was, how he had fantastic quads, no distension when relaxed (bullshit - check the pics) etc etc.

I will not continue argue with people that are, as Haider put it so well " not dumb, but full of shit".

then you have pobrecito, who now says Ronnie would have lost because he had stomach distension.  Never mind the fact that dorian had inferior taper, quads, glutes, hams, biceps, some would say back, and detail in most major bodyparts.


then they go and claim that all these attributes that the judges have always considered when scoring (quad sweep, taper, striations, glutes, vascularity etc) are never considered.

what is this? the 1930's? these guys don't even know how modern contests are scored! ask any judge. They will tell you that since at least the 1990's,. all these things are considered to give an advantage in some way over another guy who does not have the same attribute, assuming all other things equal.  And, these are not the only attributes scored, so don't even start with the bullshit.

then you have the tactic of dismissing major flaws and looking at a totally different bodypart in an effort to minimize the flaws.

eg. when we are talking about Ronnie's quads, we are taking about quads.

not calves.

this thread is over because the people arguing for dorian cannot see what is right in front of their own eyes.

Yes, the 99 Ronnie pics show few mandatories. but the ones that they do show (back lat, front db, back db, mm) are all better than Dorian. Dorian would win the ab and thigh, and side tri. that is it by almost all accounts.

I will not continue to argue with people that cannot see the difference in quality between these two guys. It smacks of ignorance about how contests are judged.  And no, it has nothing to do with skin colour Roll Eyes:

I love this post lol

[Hulkster]

keep posting nonmandatory poeses and poses from the knees up

99 old news , the video has been posted dozens of times you act like you've never seen it before  Yates dominates all comers !!

you want to talk mandatories?

here you go slick:

dorian cannot top these:

once more from 99 come up, Dorian will be owned on those as well.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Front Lat Spread (see Figure 2)
Standing face front to the judges, with the legs and feet a
short distance apart, the competitor will place the open
hands, or clenched fists, against, or gripping, the lower
waist or obliques and will expand the latissimus muscles.
At the same time, the competitor should attempt to
contract as many other frontal muscles as possible. It
shall be strictly forbidden for the competitor to pull up on
the posing trunks so as to show the top inside of the
quadriceps.
The judge should first see whether the competitor can
show a good spread of the latissimus muscles, thereby
creating a V-shaped torso. Then the judge should
continue with the head-to-foot survey, noting first the
general aspectsof the physique and then concentrating on
the more detailed aspects of the various muscle groups

Abdominals and Thighs (see Figure 7)
Standing face front to the judges, the competitor will
place both arms behind the head and will place one leg
forward. He will then contract the abdominal muscles by
55
“crunching” the trunk slightly forward. At the same time,
he will contract the thigh muscles of the forward leg.
The judge will survey the abdominal and thigh muscles,
and then conclude with the head-to-foot examination.

6. Side Triceps (see Figure 6)
The competitor may choose either side for this pose so as
to show the “better” arm. He will stand with his left or
right side towards the judges and will place both arms
behind his back, either linking his fingers or grasping the
front arm by the wrist with his rear hand. The leg nearest
the judges will be bent at the knee and the foot will rest
flat on the floor. The competitor will exert pressure
against his front arm, thereby causing the triceps muscle
to contract. He will also raise the chest and contract the
abdominal muscles as well as the thigh and calf muscles.
The judge will first survey the triceps muscles, and
conclude with the head-to-foot examination. In this pose,
the judge will be able to survey the thigh and calf muscles
in profile, which will help in grading their comparative
development more accurately.

Back Lat Spread (see Figure 5)
Standing with his back to the judges, the competitor will
place his hands on his waist with his elbows kept wide,
one foot back and resting on the toes. He will then
contract the latissimus dorsi as wide as possible and
display a calf contraction by pressing downward on the
rear toes. The competitor should make an effort to
display the opposite calf to that which was displayed
during the back double biceps pose so the the judge may
assess both calf muscle equally. It shall be strictly
forbidden for the competitor to pull up on the posing
trunks so as to show the gluteus maximus muscles.
The judge will look for a good spread of the latissimus
dorsi, but also for good muscle density and will again
conclude with the head-to-foot survey.


Conclusion:

Keep grinding away on your BowFlex lol maybe one day you'll have that Coleman " quality & detail " lol loser .

[NarcissisticDeity]

you want to talk mandatories?

here you go slick:

dorian cannot top these:

once more from 99 come up, Dorian will be owned on those as well.

Dorian meets and exceeds them , you can't have great mandatory poses with NO calves what so ever !! and bitch-tits , and poor balance & proportion and trailing behind in conditioning and not knowing how to pose and density , and thickness

Dorian Yates soundly beat Ronnie nine-times a tenth would be right around the corner.

[Hulkster]

Dorian meets and exceeds them , you can't have great mandatory poses with NO calves what so ever !! and bitch-tits , and poor balance & proportion and trailing behind in conditioning and not knowing how to pose and density , and thickness

Dorian Yates soundly beat Ronnie nine-times a tenth would be right around the corner.

ND stands alone in his assertions again.

you must be lonely not having anyone that shares your insanity opinions.

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND stands alone in his assertions again.

you must be lonely not having anyone that shares your insanity opinions.

Look who you stand with lol pumpster & neoseminole thats certainly the cream of the crop  and I'm not alone  you know who I'm with the ones who owned your ass on this thread so bad you called it quits

I am pretty much done with this thread.

Over the course of this thread, we have been debating who was better Ronnie versus dorian using their 99 (some used 2003) and 93 respective bests.

but we were doing so based on very little evidence.

up until now, there was almost no pics/videos of either Dorian 93 or Ronnie 99.

Then, a few days ago, the 99 Ronnie pics were posted and the collective jaw of Getbig dropped when they saw how ripped, huge and shapely Ronnie was.

no one gave a shit about dorian until a day later.

At first, Sucky and ND, did not really have much to say.

then they decide, the hell with it, we can't argue this anymore, so we will just go on as if the pics/video was never posted.

they continued with their (now proven wrong) garbage about how much harder dorian was, how much dryer he was, how he had fantastic quads, no distension when relaxed (bullshit - check the pics) etc etc.

I will not continue argue with people that are, as Haider put it so well " not dumb, but full of shit".

then you have pobrecito, who now says Ronnie would have lost because he had stomach distension.  Never mind the fact that dorian had inferior taper, quads, glutes, hams, biceps, some would say back, and detail in most major bodyparts.


then they go and claim that all these attributes that the judges have always considered when scoring (quad sweep, taper, striations, glutes, vascularity etc) are never considered.

what is this? the 1930's? these guys don't even know how modern contests are scored! ask any judge. They will tell you that since at least the 1990's,. all these things are considered to give an advantage in some way over another guy who does not have the same attribute, assuming all other things equal.  And, these are not the only attributes scored, so don't even start with the bullshit.

then you have the tactic of dismissing major flaws and looking at a totally different bodypart in an effort to minimize the flaws.

eg. when we are talking about Ronnie's quads, we are taking about quads.

not calves.

this thread is over because the people arguing for dorian cannot see what is right in front of their own eyes.

Yes, the 99 Ronnie pics show few mandatories. but the ones that they do show (back lat, front db, back db, mm) are all better than Dorian. Dorian would win the ab and thigh, and side tri. that is it by almost all accounts.

I will not continue to argue with people that cannot see the difference in quality between these two guys. It smacks of ignorance about how contests are judged.  And no, it has nothing to do with skin colour Roll Eyes:

[Hulkster]

dorian is just lucky Flea Labrada retired

[NeoSeminole]

[NarcissisticDeity]

dorian is just lucky Flea Labrada retired

Ronnie is lucky Yates retired lol

[Debussey]

Maybe ND's formulas will reverse the carnage:

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on November 11, 2006, 06:34:26 PM
The debate can be summed up mathematically Ronnie's win/loss percentage rate is just 40% Dorian's is 88% now if the two meet at thier respective bests who do you think the odds favor?

Ronnie competed 65 times as a pro and won just 26 times , Dorian compated 17 times and won 15 , Ronnie only won 11 more contests in almost as 4 times the total ammout contests Yates competed in .

Ronnie win/loss = 40.0%

Dorian win/loss = 88.2%


BbScore = ((S*s + C*c + P*p + M*m)/4) * (Wl * Mw)

s+c+p+m = 1

S = symmetry score, 1-10
s = symmetry importance coefficient

C=Condition score 1-10
c= condition importance coefficient

P = Posing score 1-10
p = posing importance coefficient

M=Muscularity score 1-10
m = muscularity importance coefficient

Wl = win/loss ratio.

Mw = Mr.Olympia wins. In this formula, this is the most important factor.


Conclusion:

This is Debusseys work.

[Hulkster]

as usual, Ronnie bests dorian in yet another mandatory pose...

good work. can't wait to see some more comparisons using the amazing 99 Ronnie and the (amazing for him but not as good) 93 Dorian.

[Hulkster]

Dorian has better conditioning but the shot really does go to Ronnie

almost all the mandatories do if we are speaking of Ronnie at his 99 best.

Dorian takes the ab shot and side tri.

thats it.