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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14025 on: November 21, 2006, 09:32:19 PM »
Okay I am the voice of reason here.  ;D.  Dorian is better at a younger age.  Ronnie got better with age.  Both have guts and ruined BBing forever.  Both have awesome backs.  Ronnie and Dorian have something the other lack, calves and arms.  Both are dense, Dorian is drier, Ronnie is more separated.  Both had Sandows they didn't deserve.  In the end Ronnie wins only because the only bodypart he lacks is one of the smallest.  Dorian, although I like him, is lacking the most important muscles we all think of a big guy having, big arms.  Continue debating until eternity, I have said my peace.

this should be the end of the discussion. Both men were good. Each had their strenghts and weaknesses. Dorian was huge with fantastic conditioning. Ronnie was extremely huge with good conditioning. Both men had the 2 best backs ever. Both had symmetrical flaws. Dorian's arms were too small and Ronnie's calves were overpowered. In my opinion, and the opinion of many others, small arms are more of a liability than small calves.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14026 on: November 22, 2006, 01:05:22 AM »
if thats true why are there 4 billion pics on this thread of Yates being owned or at least not exactly looking as dominating as his scoresheets would suggest?

 ::)

my opinions and claims are strongly backed up with actual proof.

You argue using quotes and scores.

Problem is - they do not add strength to your argument.

all they do is repeat what you are saying without adding any sort of corroberating evidence.  And no, ND, extreme solitary black and white closeups are not exactly great at showing Yates' supposed perfect dominance over his competitors.  For that you need him with other pros onstage - and of course, that is where the problems arise...this thread has lots of proof for that.

Your main point of arguing is repetition.

but it is repetition without strong substantiation.

If yates was as good as you say and the judges were spot on, there should be a SHORTAGE of pics making Yates look less than dominating, rather than an ABUNDANCE as this thread has shown..

You're so used to posting bad pics of Yates you're actually starting to believe your own bullshit . there is no other way to put it besides you're delusional seriously . I posted a picture of Yates with Ray & Levrone in the back double biceps shot and you have the balls to say " Shawn is owning Dorian " which is just pure & utter nonsense

Your commentary on pictures isn't evidence its your uneducated biased opinion , we've already clearly established you're biased and you personally don't like Dorian or his physique so its no surprise you come to the conclusions you do , we've already established you're ignorant to the IFBB judging criteria and when applied to Dorian vs his competition it clearly illustrates his superiority

repetition is a part of my argument along with other things such as plenty of pictures , video ,  first hand accounts , quotes from writers and contemporaries , facts , figures and statistics , and the IFBB judging criteria. my proof easily tops anything you can come up with.

What are you left with ? bias , confusion and ignorance , the moment you make ridiculous statements , like " Dorian is the most overrated bodybuilder ever " and " Flex Wheeler beat Dorian in 1993 " and " Look at the pics of the 1995 Mr Olympia , no way does Dorian deserve strsight firsts " it shows you're not even worthy to debate on an objective honest level and now you've just been reduced to being a Dorian hating troll just like pumpster , there was at one time some hope for you to but you're now way out of the realm of reality with your statements and claims.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14027 on: November 22, 2006, 06:39:27 AM »
if thats true why are there 4 billion pics on this thread of Yates being owned or at least not exactly looking as dominating as his scoresheets would suggest?

 ::)

my opinions and claims are strongly backed up with actual proof.

You argue using quotes and scores.

Problem is - they do not add strength to your argument.

all they do is repeat what you are saying without adding any sort of corroberating evidence.  And no, ND, extreme solitary black and white closeups are not exactly great at showing Yates' supposed perfect dominance over his competitors.  For that you need him with other pros onstage - and of course, that is where the problems arise...this thread has lots of proof for that.

Your main point of arguing is repetition.

but it is repetition without strong substantiation.

If yates was as good as you say and the judges were spot on, there should be a SHORTAGE of pics making Yates look less than dominating, rather than an ABUNDANCE as this thread has shown..


WHEN REALIZE THAT YOUR OPINION IS NOT PROOF.

PROOF IS SCORE SHEETS AND QUOTES FROM OTHER BBERS.

WHEN WILL YOU REALIZE THAT.

YOUR OPINION MEANS SHIT.  ITS JUST your OPINION. 

AND HAS BEEN PROVED WRONG BY THE JUDGES AND OTHER BBERS, ESPECIALLY GUYS WHO COMPETED AGAINST DORIAN AND RONNIE. 

YOUR INTERPRETATION OF PICTURES IS NOT PROOF.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14028 on: November 22, 2006, 06:47:44 AM »
well, I'm not sure political is the right word.

He won because he was predominantly BIGGER not necessarily BETTER than Shawn, Flex or Kevin.

He won because of a flawed standard of judging that awarded perfect scores to a physique that was routinely bested by many people in many poses - this thread has mountains of evidence for that, not necessarily political in the sense that he was weider's poster boy and he had to win for marketing, image etc., because neither Yates nor Ronnie had really been that..

hell, no one has except Arnold himself.



he may have been bigger than shawn, kevin, and flex.

but he wasnt bigger than nasser, paul, fux, ian harrison, ferrigno, etc.

now what is your explanation?

they chose the winner on who had the widest back?
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14029 on: November 22, 2006, 06:53:26 AM »
what will his legacy be?

hmmmm...

perhaps:

1. winning 8 olympia titles, pehaps even 9.

2. Winning the Arnold Classic, something that dorian never did, nor did any Mr. Olympia - Jay might if he chooses to do the contest now that he is Mr. O. but we will have to see.

3. Winning more pro contests than anyone else in history, including dorian.

4. competing at 287 pounds and in better shape than anyone at that weight in 2003.

5. Being on the Roseanne Barr talk show. dorian wanted to come on but Roseanne kicked his ass and gave him another black eye.


yeah, coleman won  8.

but he never showed 2 years worth of dominating victories.  that was actually published in FLEX by mcgough.

yeah, he won more shows than dorian, but dorian has the higher winning percentage. (against better competition).

and he also has more losses than dorian.

ronnie never beat dorian.  dorian beat him every time they competed.  coleman was never anywhere above 6 places from coming close to yates. 

if you were a coach, would you rather have 400 career wins and 300 losses or 300 wins and 50 losses?


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14030 on: November 22, 2006, 01:05:02 PM »
bump

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14031 on: November 22, 2006, 01:49:26 PM »
Hulkster fears posting good shots of Yates ;)


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14032 on: November 22, 2006, 01:54:33 PM »
Here are some more:

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14033 on: November 22, 2006, 01:59:43 PM »
Hulkster fears posting good shots of Yates ;)




For a reason !!

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14034 on: November 22, 2006, 02:00:41 PM »
camp coleman fears good shots:

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14035 on: November 22, 2006, 02:01:55 PM »
Seriously

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14036 on: November 22, 2006, 02:03:47 PM »
Dorian owning the competition.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14037 on: November 22, 2006, 02:07:12 PM »
Dorian showing why whenever he entered a contest it was for second place.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14038 on: November 22, 2006, 02:23:13 PM »
This shot from the 91O is simply amazing. Haney was very, very lucky that Dorian wasn't given the win given his superior muscularity and condition.


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14039 on: November 22, 2006, 02:31:45 PM »
Jesus, when is this thread ending..

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14040 on: November 22, 2006, 02:57:15 PM »
Wow. It's so obvious from those shots why it was no contest in 94. Shawn is a midget and Levrone has no back. How can Hulkster keep saying Shawn deserved that Sandow is beyond me.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14041 on: November 22, 2006, 04:31:45 PM »
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but he never showed 2 years worth of dominating victories.  that was actually published in FLEX by mcgough.

99 and 2000 were dominating.

as ND loves to say, look at the score sheets - it wasn't close.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14042 on: November 22, 2006, 04:34:05 PM »
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he may have been bigger than shawn, kevin, and flex.

but he wasnt bigger than nasser, paul, fux, ian harrison, ferrigno, etc.

now what is your explanation?


this isn't rocket science - you are comparing Fux and Harrison to Flex Freakin' Wheeler and bloody Shawn Ray? ::)

those guys were bigger but lacked the quality that Flex, Shawn, etc. possessed.

you are sounding more and more like ND every day :-\
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14043 on: November 22, 2006, 04:43:26 PM »
Dorian owning the competition.

He says this while posting a shot in which Yates' back is about 1/2 the size of Levrone. hahaahahahahah

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14044 on: November 22, 2006, 04:44:47 PM »
Levrone reminding us of Yates' arm probs - even here on side tri he's dominated by Levrone.

Keep in mind that Ron's arm is bigger than Levrone's-the mismatch would've been even more embarassing.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14045 on: November 22, 2006, 04:45:59 PM »
He says this while posting a shot in which Yates' back is about 1/2 the size of Levrone. hahaahahahahah

As your so found of pointing out, Dorian is standing further forward and to the right, making him appear smaller. Besides, they look the same size, except Levrones back looks like smashed asshole, water logged and smooth.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14046 on: November 22, 2006, 04:47:08 PM »
Levrone blowing Yates out on side tris - thanx for the pics guys. ::)

 ??? Wow... what is your judging criteria?  :-\

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14047 on: November 22, 2006, 06:06:46 PM »
Pumpster is right though, ronnie's arms in 99 would have made dorian's look small.


Ronnie's arms were absolutely massive.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14048 on: November 22, 2006, 06:15:12 PM »
This shot from the 91O is simply amazing. Haney was very, very lucky that Dorian wasn't given the win given his superior muscularity and condition.








once again, you keep looking at dorian by himself in closeup shots and drooling over him.  In 91, put him next to someone (Haney) and things change just like I have said they always do. dorian's impact goes out the window. don't get me wrong - impressive yes, but not nearly to the same degree as all these close up solitary shots.

how many more times do I have to keep illustrating this to you guys with pic after pic after pic? ::)
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14049 on: November 22, 2006, 06:17:29 PM »
Seriously

seriously you should stop posting so many solitary close up shot and start posting more of Yates and his competition:

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