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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14425 on: November 25, 2006, 11:51:06 AM »
The difference is that I acknowledge Dorian's liabilities, while you go on and on about the greatness that was Ronnie in 2003, without ever acknowledging that he had a distended gut, which there is ample photographic evidence for.

bullshit, ask anyone here who actually follows this thread. I have never ignored Ronnie's liabilities. In fact, I seem to be the only person who takes into account my person's disadvantages and how they stack up against the other's in my assessements. I have stated numerous times that both men had guts while they were relaxed and Dorian's twig arms cancel out Ronnie's poor calves.

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Completely wrong, you lying f**cker! Tons of pics have been posted of Dorian, both from 1993 and 1995, and none shows any gut distension whatsoever. Of course, while a gut distension is visible from the front, it is best seen from the sides. Well, I have posted tons of pics of Dorian from the sides and he has no gut distension whatsoever. Wide hips? Yes. Thick obliques? Definitely. Worst taper than Ronnie in the relaxed round from the front? Yes. A distended midsection? Most definitely not!

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First of all, this is not true. Dorian's arms were 21" or so, only an inch smaller than Ronnie's, and he actually had better arms than Dorian from most angles and in different poses. Secondly, yes, Ronnie looked unmanly. One of the main traits responsible for sexual dimorphism, in Human Beings, is glutes development. Women accumulate more fat around their hips and glutes than men, and thus their glutes are naturally larger. Ask any bodybuilding udge or expert and he'll tell you that there are two bodyparts where muscular hypertrophy should be avoided: the abs and the glutes. Ronnie looked like a fat bitch from the back, with his gigantic glutes.

Dorian's arms were actually closer to 20" you moron. Stop rounding them up. Let's just say his arms were 21," then Ronnie's arms in 03 must have been 24." This is more than an inch difference. Ronnie never looked unmanly. You claim women accumulate more fat in their glutes, but Ronnie's glutes aren't fat. They are even better conditioned than Dorian's. Furthermore, you say larger glutes are feminine. I guess all these 300+ lb powerlifters must be unmanly too from years of heavy squatting. ::)

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You haven't established shit. Most of the weight that Ronnie gained between 2002 and 2003 was glutes, quads and abdominal distension. I have already demolished that stupid comparison pic you post, demonstrating that Ronnie's huge hams and glutes make his back appear wider than it really is. If you got the tape measurer and measured around the upper lats, you'd see that they were roughly equivalent in width.

Wow, no kidding dumbass. In case you forgot, I'm the person who originally said the difference in lat width between Ronnie and Dorian was negligable b/c the upper part of the lats don't grow as much. 93 Dorian and 99 Ronnie were the same width. Ronnie was slightly wider in 03, but only b/c he outweighed Dorian by almost 30 lbs.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14426 on: November 25, 2006, 12:26:49 PM »
Is that why the guy who saw him in person said the exact opposite? The pics sure aren't helping Yates.  ;D

So he says , who knows if thats true? and Priest seen them in person and he said Yates would beat Ronnie with ease.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14427 on: November 25, 2006, 12:29:13 PM »
hey dumbass, let's use a little common sense. Ronnie and Dorian are identical heights in the pic. Their elbows are the same level. However, Dorian's hands don't reach the top of his head while Ronnie's extend above his. Obviously Ronnie's forearms are not half a foot longer. Common sense tells us their forearms are positioned differently. Go back home son!

I don't care if the top of their heads look even that picture is NOT scaled correctly , seriously look at the pic of them side by side and your comparison and come to your damn sense.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14428 on: November 25, 2006, 12:39:10 PM »
This is Ronnie 2003 with Jay in the same pose , notice how he's NOT making Jay look as small as you made Dorian look in your comparison? seriously and Jay is 2 inches shorter than Ronnie , seriously learn how to scale.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14429 on: November 25, 2006, 12:42:15 PM »
ND is a total delusional moron for insisting that dorian 93 had no gut despite being shown countless direct visual proof of just the opposite.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14430 on: November 25, 2006, 01:32:13 PM »
This is Ronnie 2003 with Jay in the same pose , notice how he's NOT making Jay look as small as you made Dorian look in your comparison? seriously and Jay is 2 inches shorter than Ronnie , seriously learn how to scale.

Jay weighed 260 lbs and is 1 inch shorter than Dorian. I'm not sure what you're getting at with your post. I scaled my comparison properly. Notice how their feet, knees, waist, and elbows line up? I even made Dorian slightly taller b/c Ronnie appears to be leaning back more. So stfu you whiny bitch!


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14431 on: November 25, 2006, 01:32:28 PM »
ND is a total delusional moron for insisting that dorian 93 had no gut despite being shown countless direct visual proof of just the opposite.

Countless? you mean your three pathetic attempts ?  ::) Hulkster here is yet another one of your delusions , Dorian's calves are overrated you claimed lol they lack diamond shape you claimed lol are you sticking to your story?

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14432 on: November 25, 2006, 01:34:50 PM »
Jay weighed 260 lbs and is 1 inch shorter than Dorian. I'm not sure what you're getting at with your post. I scaled my comparison properly.



again you did NOT scale them correctly just because you matched the top of their heads doesn't mean its correct , the pic of Yates was taken much further back and from a slightly different angle you look at the pic you made with Yates and Ronnie vs a real pic of Jay & Ronnie and its night and day , no excuses.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14433 on: November 25, 2006, 01:46:20 PM »
again you did NOT scale them correctly just because you matched the top of their heads doesn't mean its correct , the pic of Yates was taken much further back and from a slightly different angle you look at the pic you made with Yates and Ronnie vs a real pic of Jay & Ronnie and its night and day , no excuses.

you have truly become delusional. In the pic you posted, Jay is standing closer to the camera than Ronnie. Why does he look the same height as Ronnie even though he is 2" shorter? Face it, Ronnie's 30 lb advantage would overwhelm Dorian.


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14434 on: November 25, 2006, 01:48:29 PM »
bullshit, ask anyone here who actually follows this thread. I have never ignored Ronnie's liabilities. In fact, I seem to be the only person who takes into account my person's disadvantages and how they stack up against the other's in my assessements. I have stated numerous times that both men had guts while they were relaxed and Dorian's twig arms cancel out Ronnie's poor calves.

  No, you dishonest fucktard. You have always made excuses when anyone posts pics showing Ronnie's disgusting gut distension from 2003. You have claimed, let's see: that Ronnie'd gut is only visible during transition, and that it doesen't matter anyway, ::) that Ronnie's gut was still pretty good during most mandatories ::) and my personal favorite, that Ronnie's gut was only visible backstage. ::) ::) ::) ::) ;)

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Dorian's arms were actually closer to 20" you moron. Stop rounding them up. Let's just say his arms were 21," then Ronnie's arms in 03 must have been 24."

  Well, I was talking about Ronnie 1999 in this case, and the difference in arms size was about 1". Ronnie 2003 does have a significant advantage in arm size over Dorian, but even then I don't think it's 3". More like 2". Regardless, this doesen't really matter, because Dorian still holds his own against Ronnie in the arms department from most angles. The total atm mass in only visible fro m a single angle in a single pose, so it doesen't really matter. When standing relaxed, the lateral triceps head is the most visible, and Dorian still holds his own against Ronnie here.

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This is more than an inch difference.

  Yeah, maybe a 2" difference. ::)

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Ronnie never looked unmanly. You claim women accumulate more fat in their glutes, but Ronnie's glutes aren't fat.

  I never said they were fat; I said ther were large. Which is true. It doesen't matter if the size comes from fat or muscle, the bottom line is that a man is not supposed to have large glutes. It is not a part of the masculine aesthetics.

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They are even better conditioned than Dorian's. Furthermore, you say larger glutes are feminine. I guess all these 300+ lb powerlifters must be unmanly too from years of heavy squatting. ::)

  If they have large glutes, then they look feminine. Are they feminine in terms of personality/interests? Definitely not. ;)

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Wow, no kidding dumbass. In case you forgot, I'm the person who originally said the difference in lat width between Ronnie and Dorian was negligable b/c the upper part of the lats don't grow as much.

  And guess what, retard? You're wrong. The upper part of the lats obviously grow, because otherwise the lower part of the lats eventually would become bigger than the upper part, which doesen't occur. Obsever a man who's never worked out, and you'll see that his lats are shaped as a "V". Put next to him a giant bodybuilder and you'll see that his lats are also shaped like a "V", only a much larger one. I have just disproven your theory. Owned. ;)

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93 Dorian and 99 Ronnie were the same width. Ronnie was slightly wider in 03, but only b/c he outweighed Dorian by almost 30 lbs.

  First of all, it's obviously not true that Ronnie 1999 was as wide as Dorian. Impossible. They weighted the same and yet Ronnie's quads were bigger, so the difference in size must have come from Dorian's obvioulsy wider and thicker lats. Besides, they had roughly equivalent taper from the back, yet Dorian obviously has the thicker waist. What does that tell you? ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14435 on: November 25, 2006, 01:57:19 PM »
you have truly become delusional. In the pic you posted, Jay is standing closer to the camera than Ronnie. Why does he look the same height as Ronnie even though he is 2" shorter? Face it, Ronnie's 30 lb advantage would overwhelm Dorian.

No one overwhelmed Dorian NO ONE not a 318lb Lou Ferrigno or a 285lb Paul Dillett so keep clinging to that fantasy and again your ability to scale correctly sucks period , I know Ronnie grew a lot in 2003 but his fucking-limbs didn't get serious , you really want to believe that Ronnie would make look Dorian that small but in reality it wouldn't happen. the only thing Ronnie is going to make Dorian look small in his the gut department .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14436 on: November 25, 2006, 02:09:39 PM »
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14437 on: November 25, 2006, 02:11:33 PM »
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14438 on: November 25, 2006, 02:11:50 PM »
  I'm still waiting for NeoSperminole to explain how is it possible for the lats to grow more on the lower half than at the upper one, and yet still maintain the same shape. Mathematically, this is impossible. Let's here what that analytical genius has to say. ::)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14439 on: November 25, 2006, 02:12:02 PM »
No, you dishonest fucktard. You have always made excuses when anyone posts pics showing Ronnie's disgusting gut distension from 2003. You have claimed, let's see: that Ronnie'd gut is only visible during transition, and that it doesen't matter anyway,  that Ronnie's gut was still pretty good during most mandatories and my personal favorite, that Ronnie's gut was only visible backstage.

ha ha ha, you pathetic hypocrite. The only time I make "excuses" is when you compare Dorian fully flexing to Ronnie standing relaxed or in the middle of transition. For example, you used to compare a pic of Dorian hitting an abs-and-thighs to Ronnie doing his "raise the roof" onstage. I hardly call this making excuses. It's more like trying to keep this discussion fair. If you want to rag on Ronnie for having a gut, then I can posts several pics of Dorian's gut in all its glory.

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Well, I was talking about Ronnie 1999 in this case, and the difference in arms size was about 1". Ronnie 2003 does have a significant advantage in arm size over Dorian, but even then I don't think it's 3". More like 2". Regardless, this doesen't really matter, because Dorian still holds his own against Ronnie in the arms department from most angles. The total atm mass in only visible fro m a single angle in a single pose, so it doesen't really matter. When standing relaxed, the lateral triceps head is the most visible, and Dorian still holds his own against Ronnie here.

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And guess what, retard? You're wrong. The upper part of the lats obviously grow, because otherwise the lower part of the lats eventually would become bigger than the upper part, which doesen't look. Obsever a man who's never worked out, and you'll see that his lats are shaped as a "V". Pu next to him a giant bodybuilder and you'll see that his lats are also shaped like a "V", only a much larger one. I have just disproven your theory. Owned.

I never said the upper part of the lats don't grow. I simply said they don't grow as much. Show me 1 guy who added a foot to his lat width (only 6" per side) and then maybe I'll consider your argument.

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First of all, it's obviously not true that Ronnie 1999 was as wide as Dorian. Impossible. They weighted the same and yet Ronnie's quads were bigger, so the difference in size must have come from Dorian's obvioulsy wider and thicker lats. Besides, they had roughly equivalent taper from the back, yet Dorian obviously has the thicker waist. What does that tell you?

ha ha ha, you pick and choose were Dorian's "extra" weight must have came from. It most likely came from his huge midsection, which can easily carry another 10-15 lbs. The pictorial evidence shows 99 Ronnie was the same width as 93 Dorian.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14440 on: November 25, 2006, 02:13:33 PM »
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« Reply #14441 on: November 25, 2006, 02:25:24 PM »
ha ha ha, you pathetic hypocrite. The only time I make "excuses" is when you compare Dorian fully flexing to Ronnie standing relaxed or in the middle of transition. For example, you used to compare a pic of Dorian hitting an abs-and-thighs to Ronnie doing his "raise the roof" onstage. I hardly call this making excuses. It's more like trying to keep this discussion fair. If you want to rag on Ronnie for having a gut, then I can posts several pics of Dorian's gut in all its glory.

  Yes, by all means, so ahead. I really want to see that. I'll eat my every word if you show me one pic where Dorian's gut looks even half as bad as Ronnie's in 2003. By the way, keep in mind that wide hips, thick obliques and bad taper from the front are not synonimous with gut distension. ;)

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not even close son.

  Duh, you post a single post and based on a purely visual evaluation, say "it's not even close". ::) Well, I trust the tape measurement and nothing else. Ronnie's arms were around no more than 2" bigger than Dorian's, even in 2003. Ronnie has smaller joints, so the arms appear to be bigger. Regardless, I don't really care, because most of the arm mass is only visible while executing the front double biceps, and the bottom line is that Ronnie wins it anyway. Are Ronnie's arms better than Dorian's when they're standing relaxed? No. ;)

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I never said the upper part of the lats don't grow. I simply said they don't grow as much. Show me 1 guy who added a foot to his lat width (only 6" per side) and then maybe I'll consider your argument.

  But is this relevant as to where the lat width is measured? Does it change the fact that the lats are measured for width at the upper and not the lower part? No. Besides, it doesen't matter where the most muscle tissue is added, since the proportions of the lats remain the same, with the upper part always being wider than the lower one. ;)

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ha ha ha, you pick and choose were Dorian's "extra" weight must have came from. It most likely came from his huge midsection, which can easily carry another 10-15 lbs. The pictorial evidence shows 99 Ronnie was the same width as 93 Dorian.

  If you're refering to Dorian 1993 vis-a-vis Dorian 1992, then your argument is non-sensical, since 15 lbs is not even that much anyway, and yet Dorian's back, pecs and quads were clearly bigger than in the previous year, and he was drier. So it is extrmely unlikely that it came from gut size. Now Ronnie 2002 to Ronnie 2003... ;) Again, show me where Dorian's gut distension is in the bottom pics... ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14442 on: November 25, 2006, 02:52:37 PM »
Yes, by all means, so ahead. I really want to see that. I'll eat my every word if you show me one pic where Dorian's gut looks even half as bad as Ronnie's in 2003. By the way, keep in mind that wide hips, thick obliques and bad taper from the front are not synonimous with gut distension.

how about several?









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Duh, you post a single post and based on a purely visual evaluation, say "it's not even close". Well, I trust the tape measurement and nothing else. Ronnie's arms were around no more than 2" bigger than Dorian's, even in 2003. Ronnie has smaller joints, so the arms appear to be bigger. Regardless, I don't really care, because most of the arm mass is only visible while executing the front double biceps, and the bottom line is that Ronnie wins it anyway. Are Ronnie's arms better than Dorian's when they're standing relaxed? No.

You heard it here folks, Sucky thinks Ronnie's arms were only 2" bigger than Dorian's. ::)





hell, even 96 Ronnie had noticably bigger arms than Dorian. Ronnie's arms in 03 would have put his arms in 96 to shame.



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But is this relevant as to where the lat width is measured? Does it change the fact that the lats are measured for width at the upper and not the lower part? No. Besides, it doesen't matter where the most muscle tissue is added, since the proportions of the lats remain the same, with the upper part always being wider than the lower one.

yeah, no shit about where lat width is measured. I never stated otherwise. Your constant reminder only goes to show that you misunderstand what I'm saying. Put it this way: if the arm grows 2" around the middle, does the arm also grow 2" around the elbow? No. The upper part of the lats don't grow as much b/c they are situated closer to the insertion.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14443 on: November 25, 2006, 03:01:12 PM »
how about several?
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hell, even 96 Ronnie had noticably bigger arms than Dorian. Ronnie's arms in 03 would have put his arms in 96 to shame.

yeah, no shit about where lat width is measured. I never stated otherwise. Your constant reminder only goes to show that you misunderstand what I'm saying. Put it this way: if the arm grows 2" around the middle, does the arm also grow 2" around the elbow? No. The upper part of the lats don't grow as much b/c they are situated closer to the insertion.

None of those and I mean NONE of those top this not by a long shot , this is exactly why like Hulkster your opinion can't be taken seriously.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14444 on: November 25, 2006, 03:59:48 PM »
Coleman clearly beats Yates on belly mass, bitch tits and lip size.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14445 on: November 25, 2006, 04:04:36 PM »
The best developed lips in the history of bodybuilding.


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14446 on: November 25, 2006, 05:36:13 PM »
Another quote for Hulkster Flex magazine Step 1996 Mike Mattarzo on Dorian Yates


" the only Mr Olympia who can't lose to anyone but himself . he is truly unbeatable. "  ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14447 on: November 25, 2006, 05:42:52 PM »
None of those and I mean NONE of those top this not by a long shot , this is exactly why like Hulkster your opinion can't be taken seriously.

I'm not so sure of that. Ronnie's waist is narrower and his lower back arches more, which makes his gut look bigger than it really is. If you measured the distance from their back to the front of their stomachs, I wouldn't be surprised if both Ronnie and Dorian were the same.




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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14448 on: November 25, 2006, 05:52:10 PM »
by the way, I'm starting to think 99 Ronnie may have actually been wider than Dorian. Here's a video of the symmetry round at the 96 Mr. Olympia. Pause it at the 45 sec. mark. You'll see they look about the same width. Ronnie had 3 yrs between 99 and 96 to add even more lat width. I find it hard to believe that he wouldn't make any progress during that time.


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #14449 on: November 25, 2006, 06:10:35 PM »
I'm not so sure of that. Ronnie's waist is narrower and his lower back arches more, which makes his gut look bigger than it really is. If you measured the distance from their back to the front of their stomachs, I wouldn't be surprised if both Ronnie and Dorian were the same.





Its NOT even close , no way in hell !! not 03 , serious you have nothing to work with here.