Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[pobrecito]

Dorian himself said that Ronnie was better conditioned in 98 than 99 (and 2000 where he said he was even less conditioned). This was from the 2000O webcast.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Dorian himself said that Ronnie was better conditioned in 98 than 99 (and 2000 where he said he was even less conditioned). This was from the 2000O webcast.

Peter McGough said Ronnie was better conditioned in 98 vs 99 and in 2000 he was even less so at 264 pounds  and it added that Ronnie was always sharper at lighter weights !

[NarcissisticDeity]

he can't.

but remember, in ND's world of delusion:

dorian had BETTER balance .

Dorian was harder (despite having a most muscular that you could skate on compared to Ronnie 99)

Again you set up a strawman to knock down and claim a ' victory ' a screencap of Ronnie vs a mediocre scan of Yates  keep this in mind

Flex magazine Jan 1992 on Dorian Yates

" Dorian has the type of physique that looks much better and more powerfull in person than photos. I personally saw him onstage , and Yates if definitely light years ahead of the way he looks in photos.


MuscleMag International Feb 1994 on Dorian Yates at the 1993 Mr Olympia


" He's huge , absolutely HUGE ...he's ripped completely RIPPED. And while he's not in possession of the prettiest physique body by a long shot , he's equipped with all the bodyparts you need to win .

Combine this with the fact that he's 10 TIMES more impressive when you see him onstage at the Olympia than he is in pictures or on videos and you got yourself a winner.

[Shockwave]

His calves in that last shot are insane.

[Hulkster]

His calves in that last shot are insane.

yes but they are almost as big as his arms and each pec!

this is not good.

[TrapsMcLats]

dorian looks really good in those shots.  But he still doesn't look like ronnie.  Also, 3/4 shots on most musculars show mass and hide flaws... but he still looks ridiculous in those shots.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I can't pick and choose that ronnie would beat Dorian in a contest at their respective best.  Show me pics where Dorian looks like ronnie did at the 99 O.  Show me where he's ever had that type of separation, size and balance.  It doesn't take anything away from Yates greatness that he couldn't beat ronnie. 

I don't have to show you pics where Dorian looks like Ronnie thats redundant , Dorian never won because he looked like Ronnie he won because he looked like Dorian , Ronnie doesn't have great balance and never did it was better than it is now but not great , Dorian already said when asked if he could beat a heavier Ronnie that he had the edge on balance & conditioning !

And think about this Dorian faced Ronnie on nine separate occasions and he lost all nine times , the closest he ever came was sixth on the Euro-Tour you can say " Well Ronnie wasn't at his best yet " and thats trye to an extent but by 1996 Ronnie was already winning shows , but keep this in mind Ronnie never faced Dorian at his best !! he was dead last in 92 and Yates wasn't his best ( 242 lbs ) Ronnie skipped 1993 Yates best , and competed with Dorian when he had a torn bicep/tricep/quad and gut and still couldn't make a dent on him ! that speaks a lot

Dorian however faced Lee Haney in 1991 he wasn't his best at just 239 pounds he beat Lee Haney in the muscularity round , a feat mind you that NO ONE came close to in Haney's era ! and he did this while Haney was 250 pounds , Dorian was beaten by just two men , Momo and he avenged that loss and Haney , who he didn't because Lee retired , but Yates was a winner right out the box while not even his best , now who do you think the odds favor? knowing what we know now who would be the odds on favorite going into a hypothetical contest? Yates would by virtue of a 9 to 0 win rate over Coleman

Another tid-bit Dorian Yates wasn't even called out in the muscularity round in 1993 this is unprecedented he was so far and above anything ever seen before in bodybuilding that the judges didn't even need to call him out in the muscularity round , he outmuscled a 275 pound Paul Dillett and a 318 pound Lou Ferrigno , Wayne Demilla only called Yates out with Flex & Shawn to please the crowd , and Ronnie Coleman 1998/99 is supposed to beat this? 

I'm not saying Yates would beat him easily I'm not saying that Ronnie couldn't win its a possibility but in my opinion Dorian Yates would beat him I didn't come to this conclusion on a whim , I've given it pleanty of thought and used , facts , figures , statistics , pictures , video , writers accounts , contemporaries firsthand accounts , the I.F.B.B. judging criteria , and commonsense , if you disagree with me thats fine I respect your opinion , but the moment someone says Yates would get beat easy isn't being honest with themselves , Yates was no pushover he won 88% of the contests he entered and Ronnie just 40% , either way it would be very interesting to see.

[NarcissisticDeity]

yes but they are almost as big as his arms and each pec!

this is not good.

Hulkster actually calves are supposed to be as big as your arms thats very favorable , calves , neck and arms all the same size is the Greek Ideal ! and I can post a pic of Ronnie where his delts make his chest look small in the sidechest pose !! Ronnie has calves and forearms the same size thats the Texas-Ideal 

[Iceman1981]

"Old man,"  i'm 24 and i have been posting here since the original board was around.  I could repeat what has been said about you being in denial or not looking at pictures or not admitting that coleman beats yates.  But i guess you're NOT tired of that.  Multibanded striations, better shape, more size and more symmetry generally equate to a better bodybuilder.  But according to you they just equal small calves and a film of water.

You're right my friend. In my opinion Coleman beats Yates hands down. ND just sounds like he is in denial debating between Coleman and Yates. It's clear that Coleman is the better bodybuilder. Even ND's idol "Yates", says that Coleman beats him.

[Iceman1981]

Again you set up a strawman to knock down and claim a ' victory ' a screencap of Ronnie vs a mediocre scan of Yates  keep this in mind

Flex magazine Jan 1992 on Dorian Yates

" Dorian has the type of physique that looks much better and more powerfull in person than photos. I personally saw him onstage , and Yates if definitely light years ahead of the way he looks in photos.


MuscleMag International Feb 1994 on Dorian Yates at the 1993 Mr Olympia


" He's huge , absolutely HUGE ...he's ripped completely RIPPED. And while he's not in possession of the prettiest physique body by a long shot , he's equipped with all the bodyparts you need to win .

Combine this with the fact that he's 10 TIMES more impressive when you see him onstage at the Olympia than he is in pictures or on videos and you got yourself a winner.

These pics of Yates mm still can not compete with Colemans mm, Simple.

[Hulkster]

Dorian never won because he looked like Ronnie he won because he looked like Dorian

no he won because he had wide lats and was 40 pounds heavier than his toughest competition (flex and shawn).

Add 30 pounds to Flex or Shawn and dorian could go home with third.

Oh wait, add 30 pounds to Flex or shawn and you basically have Ronnie!:

[NarcissisticDeity]

You're right my friend. In my opinion Coleman beats Yates hands down. ND just sounds like he is in denial debating between Coleman and Yates. It's clear that Coleman is the better bodybuilder. Even ND's idol "Yates", says that Coleman beats him.

Put that into context , Yates said the judges would probably pick Ronnie based on his size advantage which was about 30 pounds vs his best which was 257 pounds , he also said he had better balance & conditioning than Ronnie as well !!

Dorian should be asked DIRECTLY would Ronnie 1998 or 1999 or 2001 ASC beat him at his best , my guess is he would say no !!

[pobrecito]

Dorian was way better conditioned in 95 than in 93, that's plainly obvious watching his posing routine. Unfortunately, the torn bicep really diminishes 95 for me.

[NarcissisticDeity]

no he won because he had wide lats and was 40 pounds heavier than his toughest competition (flex and shawn).

Add 30 pounds to Flex or Shawn and dorian could go home with third.

Oh wait, add 30 pounds to Flex or shawn and you basically have Ronnie!:

Oh please you keep using this excuse and thats all it is , Ronnie isn't a bigger Wheeler its nothing like Flex

Here is a quote from Flex Sep 1996 on Flexs' loss to Ronnie at the Canadian Pro

Having said that , its still a surprise Wheeler lost the show : his SUPERIOR STRUCTURE and posing , especially on the rear double biceps , rear latspread and side chest appeared to have pushed him over the top.the judges however , were quite stringent with the less-than-perfect Wheeler which was namely his hams and glutes

So lets put this myth that Coleman is a bigger version of Flex to bed and add 50 pounds to Ray and his clavicles wont get any wider and enither with his lats , Shawn & Flex were both structually narrow , so please learn more about anatomy before you make jackass statements

Flex OWNS Ronnie in structure !!

[Hulkster]

but don't forget ND, that Ronnie in 95 had a totally different look to his physique than he did later on in his career because of the extra mass that filled out his frame.

sure, his clavical width did not actually increase, but the drastic change in mass/fullness sure makes it appear that way:



for example, compare:

[Hulkster]

notice how just the increase in lat width alone changes Ronnie's entire look.

[Hulkster]

compare these pics:











anyone care to explain how Wheeler's structure is 'superior'?

[NarcissisticDeity]

but don't forget ND, that Ronnie in 95 had a totally different look to his physique than he did later on in his career because of the extra mass that filled out his frame.

sure, his clavical width did not actually increase, but the drastic change in mass/fullness sure makes it appear that way:



for example, compare:

The top pic is NOT 95 and the front double bicep is 1994 !

[Hulkster]

The top pic is NOT 95 and the front double bicep is 1994 !

doesn't matter. the point is still the same and it is still proven.

Ronnie's entire look changed when he filled out. And for the better.

[carvedoutofwood]

ill repost this till i get blue in the face...


dorian WAS great, and I am a fan... but this is like argueing with my father about how he thinks ALI would beat Lenox Lewis... I'm like "Dad, Ali was great but he was just over 6 feet tall weighing in at 210 at something like 18% bF, the guy never lifted a weight in his life... Lenox lewis is 6'7' 275 at something like 5.5% on game day... lifts heavy weights everyday..."

everyone has their Hero's but the reality is SPORT evolves and athletes progress... dorian was in his prime a decade b4 ronnie... alot changed ... goce graci (spelling) was "unbeatable" in the UFC at an unlimited weight class weighing like 170lbs... now everyone knows his submissions and how to defend them... and the guy whos champion at the unlimited weight is like 6'9"

i cant imagine it, and might wanna resist it when it happens, but someday someone will be better then ronnie... better then michael...

babe ruth couldnt play on my dads softball league today even in his prime... the guy never saw a pitch faster then 65mph

[NarcissisticDeity]

Hulkster this is another quote thats is going to put this myth that Ronnie was just an infant in 1996 and he wasn't even close to being a good as he was


Flex magazine Sep 1996 on Ronnie Coleman's loss to Flex Wheeler at the Miami Pro  a week after his win at the Canadian Pro


Coleman's impressive showing , which earned him a close second , puts him in the running for a TOP SPOT at the Mr Olympia

A top spot at the Olympia !! and what happened when he went to the Olympia? he was the victim of to many contests in 1996 and his conditioning suffered for it , so please stop using the excuse Ronnie wasn't even close to being as good as he could , because by 1996 he was right around his best weight ( 250 pounds ) all he needed to do is work on his conditioning with the help of Teh Chad and plasma expanders that was solved in 98

[NarcissisticDeity]

doesn't matter. the point is still the same and it is still proven.

Ronnie's entire look changed when he filled out. And for the better.

Again I'm NOT talking about anything other than 1996 forward ! see above post.

[NarcissisticDeity]

ill repost this till i get blue in the face...


dorian WAS great, and I am a fan... but this is like argueing with my father about how he thinks ALI would beat Lenox Lewis... I'm like "Dad, Ali was great but he was just over 6 feet tall weighing in at 210 at something like 18% bF, the guy never lifted a weight in his life... Lenox lewis is 6'7' 275 at something like 5.5% on game day... lifts heavy weights everyday..."

everyone has their Hero's but the reality is SPORT evolves and athletes progress... dorian was in his prime a decade b4 ronnie... alot changed ... goce graci (spelling) was "unbeatable" in the UFC at an unlimited weight class weighing like 170lbs... now everyone knows his submissions and how to defend them... and the guy whos champion at the unlimited weight is like 6'9"

i cant imagine it, and might wanna resist it when it happens, but someday someone will be better then ronnie... better then michael...

babe ruth couldnt play on my dads softball league today even in his prime... the guy never saw a pitch faster then 65mph

This is a terrible analogy and he's why , we're NOT discussing guys separated by 30 years we're talking about contemporaries , guys who competed again each OTHER in the same era , sure Ronnie improved but he's NOT something that hasn't been seen before in 1999 he was 257 pounds in great shape , Yates was 257 pounds in great shape in 1993 , go back to the drawing board with this one .

[Hulkster]

ND when are you going to finally understand that as far as bodybuilding competition goes,

quotes will never replace visual comparative evidence:

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND when are you going to finally understand that as far as bodybuilding competition goes,

quotes will never replace visual comparative evidence:

Hulkster you're weak dude lol really weak , this is why this debate is dead because you can't counter me , this is check mate for you my friend.

Again you're setting up strawmen to knock down , you post pics of 1992 Ronnie vs 1999 and say " look " its so weak lol by 1996 Ronnie was pegged as a legitimate contender for the top spot at the Olympia , serious thats check mate that trumps your lame assessment that Ronnie was an " infant ' when Yates faced him lol

Kid I got you from all angles