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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #22300 on: January 27, 2007, 05:33:44 PM »
ND why is it that when you are thoughly being embarrassed, as you were today, you just start posting quote after quote after quote?

If dorian would beat ronnie as easily as you say he would, shouldn't you be posting 99 ronnie vs. 93 dorian shots and comparing them instead?

would that not be much more effective at proving your points?

oh wait..

I forgot:

reality is not on your side of this debate:



Embarrassed by what? by whom? by usmoke claiming Ronnie 2003 is more conditioned? by you saying NO ONE has commented on Dorian beating Ronnie , when in fact Lee says specifically Dorian would beat him with ease lol

I avalanched the quotes because I can , because it squashes any nonsense you and team-delusional can come up when you say Dorian's conditioning is lacking , or he's soft  ::) and guess what these are FIRST HAND accounts from people who were there in real life NOT baes on pics  ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #22301 on: January 27, 2007, 05:34:51 PM »
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what do you know? its not like you were at the 1993 Mr Olympia in person watching from the front row

yes, and if we were we could observe the photoelectric effect obliterating the definition of dorian's quads and arms for the camera right before our very eyes!

 ::)

face it ND:

you are asking us to believe in mumbo-jumbo and not reality.

we are not that stupid:

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #22302 on: January 27, 2007, 05:40:43 PM »
it says "against Ronnie Coleman NOW"

unless the quote was made way back in 1999, you are fucked.


It The quote was made in early 2000 after the 1999 Mr Olympia so who is fucked now?  ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #22303 on: January 27, 2007, 05:42:14 PM »
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I avalanched the quotes because I can , because it squashes any nonsense you and team-delusional can come up when you say Dorian's conditioning is lacking , or he's soft 

since when is posting pic after pic and screencap afterscreencap showing how much more detailed ronnie's upper body and quads were than dorian's 'nonsense'?

 ::)

its called the reality of the comaprison between the two physiques.

to call it nonsense is to be incredibly naive.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #22304 on: January 27, 2007, 05:44:11 PM »
yes, and if we were we could observe the photoelectric effect obliterating the definition of dorian's quads and arms for the camera right before our very eyes!

 ::)

face it ND:

you are asking us to believe in mumbo-jumbo and not reality.

we are not that stupid:



No you are that stupid , I'm NOT asking you to believe ANYTHING I'm showing you that your opinions are contradicted by eye witnesses and squash your ' reality '

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #22305 on: January 27, 2007, 05:46:31 PM »
since when is posting pic after pic and screencap afterscreencap showing how much more detailed ronnie's upper body and quads were than dorian's 'nonsense'?

 ::)

its called the reality of the comaprison between the two physiques.

to call it nonsense is to be incredibly naive.

Hulkster how soon we forget

Peter McGough Flex Magazine May 2002

Let it be said that the camera can lie at physique contests. Some guys look great onstage but not so great on final film (Dorian Yates, for one) and vice versa (Shawn Ray is an example)


You know much less than I originally gave you credit for and that wasn't much to start with lol

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #22306 on: January 27, 2007, 05:49:05 PM »
No you are that stupid , I'm NOT asking you to believe ANYTHING I'm showing you that your opinions are contradicted by eye witnesses and squash your ' reality '

its not MY reality.

its THE reality.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #22307 on: January 27, 2007, 05:50:02 PM »
its not MY reality.

its THE reality.

No this is reality , you're limited in your abilities

Peter McGough Flex Magazine May 2002

Let it be said that the camera can lie at physique contests. Some guys look great onstage but not so great on final film (Dorian Yates, for one) and vice versa (Shawn Ray is an example)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #22308 on: January 27, 2007, 05:51:00 PM »
Another dose of reality  ;)


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The judges made their decision based on what they saw live and in person. Pictures mean nothing as they can be deceiving...

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #22309 on: January 27, 2007, 05:57:49 PM »
Peter McGough also says that Ronnie has the best back of all-time. ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #22310 on: January 27, 2007, 05:58:34 PM »
Another dose of reality  ;)


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The judges made their decision based on what they saw live and in person. Pictures mean nothing as they can be deceiving...


I think saying that pics "mean nothing" is going a little far.

yes, they can be deceiving at times - but not the level that you are expecting us to believe.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #22311 on: January 27, 2007, 06:04:36 PM »
Peter McGough also says that Ronnie has the best back of all-time. ;)

Yes he does , Ronnie Coleman says Dorian has the freakiest back he's ever seen  ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #22312 on: January 27, 2007, 06:06:57 PM »
I think saying that pics "mean nothing" is going a little far.

yes, they can be deceiving at times - but not the level that you are expecting us to believe.



The quotes are on MY side not yours I don't care what you believe lol what you believe is retarded , Dorian Yates' conditioning is a myth? lol your opinion was crushed by eye witnesses it doesn't get much better than that

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #22313 on: January 27, 2007, 06:07:28 PM »






holy shit does dorian's torso murder coleman's.

thicker chest
no gyno
thicker lats
no shitty 4 pack
and those sure aint no small arms either

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #22314 on: January 27, 2007, 06:32:51 PM »
Yes he does , Ronnie Coleman says Dorian has the freakiest back he's ever seen  ;)

Ronnie can't see his own back, duh.... ::)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #22315 on: January 27, 2007, 06:37:26 PM »
Ronnie can't see his own back, duh.... ::)

No he's never looked at pics and video lol

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #22316 on: January 27, 2007, 06:39:23 PM »
his quotes are pointless because they dont adress the issue for one, and as ive already showed theres no standard for whos quote holds more water when authorities from boths sides are conflicted. hence the need for actual comparisons ie photos which ND has already admitted are in ronnies favor. he admitted this by saying that dorian would appear better in person, skin tone, lighting. the lighting was particularly retarded as apparently only dorians shows "may" have had poor lighting while ronnies always had superior. not to mention the utter control of multiple variables and unknows by nd and us about lighting protocol, actual situations at the shows both were in ect.. lighting as a factor or advantage for one or the other is a moot point because of these reasons

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #22317 on: January 27, 2007, 06:41:12 PM »
and those sure aint no small arms either

no, they are not.

dorian's arms are massive.

but they are small for his torso/frame/quads/calves

and that is all that counts in this sport.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #22318 on: January 27, 2007, 06:44:16 PM »
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the lighting was particularly retarded as apparently only dorians shows "may" have had poor lighting while ronnies always had superior.

did ND actually say this?

I missed that classic line of bullshit.

 its odd because the lighting at the 93 olympia was fantastic.

and the dough still rises lol:
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #22319 on: January 27, 2007, 06:47:31 PM »
I said "for all I know, 01 ASC Ronnie carried 2 lbs more of lean mass than in 99." Hence, I don't know. It could be .5 lbs more for all I care. You mistook this for meaning "Ronnie did in fact carry 2 lbs more of lean mass."

  But you did say that you believe Ronnie carried more lean mass, and that's the bottom line.

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I noticed it says in the Flex review that Ronnie weighed 244 lbs at the 01 ASC. However, I believe this is a misprint. I read in another issue of Flex that Ronnie weighed 247 lbs, and Hulkster claims he saw this number too in a different magazine.

  I trust my sources. Until it's proven otherwise, that was not a misprint.

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ha ha ha, arguing with you is pointless b/c you have no understanding of anatomy.

  Irrelevant, since physiology and not anatomy is relevant here, something you obviously no nothing of. ;)

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Do you realize how much 1 lb of lean muscle is? Look at a 16 oz steak. That is 1 lb of muscle. If 01 ASC Ronnie's arms and delts were the same size as 99 with less fat and water, this represents maybe a 2-3 lb increase in lean mass. However, subtract the difference between muscle gained and water lost, and you are left with at most a 1.5 lb difference. Now apply the same calculations to his back and hamstrings. Factor in his downsized quads. I believe you would find that he carried slightly more lean mass at the 01 ASC but not by much.

  This is completely irrelevant. If his total muscle mass increased, and yet he came in 10(I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt) or 13 lbs lighter, then he must, by necessity, have lost 10 or 13 + X lbs of weight from somewhere else, where X represents the number of pounds of muscular bodyweight that he gained. Your hypothesis is bullshit because otherwise his bodyweight would have increased, when in reality it went down. You can't get over this very basic fact. For your hypothesis to be plausible, one of two things would have to be agreed upon:

 1. His bodyweight went up. This is basic physics. Muscle tissue weight more than water, so if you replace the amount of water in a given space with muscle tissue, then it's weight goes up. Now, did Ronnie's weight go up at the 2001 ASC? No, it went down. By over 10 lbs. For this to be true, Ronnie would have to lose even more weight elsewhere. And there's no place to take that weight from.

 2. His quad went down in size. In this case, you'd be demonstrating the possibility that Ronnie had the same arm, delts and chest measurements that he had at the 1999 Olympia, but you'd be simply agreeing with me that his total lean muscle mass went down. So what is it, sport?

  Now, if you're arguing that the amount of muscular tissue that Ronnie lost from his quads, in pounds, was greater than the sum of muscular tissue that he gained elsewhere, also in pounds, then I consider your hypothesis plausible. Unfortunately for you, in this case, this means agreeing that Ronnie carried less lean mass at the 2001 ASC than at the 1999 Olympia. You can't get over the bodyweight fact. I actually feel sorry for you, because you're trying to argue yourself out of something that is impossible. Even assuming that he was only 10 lbs lighter at the 2001 ASC than at the 1999 Olympia, the fact the he gained more mass and yet still came in 10 lbs lighter would mean that he lost 11 or 12, or 13 lbs of weight from somewhere else, and it can only possibly be water. I don't think that Ronnie carried one ounce of bodyfat more at the 1999 Olympia than he did at the 2001 ASC, and while his conditioning improved for the latter show, that was basically water and one pound of two of fat. And I'm sorry, but he didn't have 11 or 12 lbs of fat and water to lose.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #22320 on: January 27, 2007, 06:49:00 PM »
his quotes are pointless because they dont adress the issue for one, and as ive already showed theres no standard for whos quote holds more water when authorities from boths sides are conflicted. hence the need for actual comparisons ie photos which ND has already admitted are in ronnies favor. he admitted this by saying that dorian would appear better in person, skin tone, lighting. the lighting was particularly retarded as apparently only dorians shows "may" have had poor lighting while ronnies always had superior. not to mention the utter control of multiple variables and unknows by nd and us about lighting protocol, actual situations at the shows both were in ect.. lighting as a factor or advantage for one or the other is a moot point because of these reasons

Meltdown I expected this , those quotes MEAN exactly what you said they didn't and the best is your opinion is based on ONLY pictures & video and not REALITY , now your claim is crushed even further because you can't counter this with your nonsense opinions vary , where is your conflicting opinions to the contrary? where are these opinions that Dorian's detail and conditioning aren't what the consensus said they were ? you'd have something to work with when two different parties are arguing over the same topic , NO ONE ( of consequence i.e. you & Hulkster ) is arguing Dorian's overall conditioning isn't exactly what it is , so you're ass is throughly & completely owned , so do yourself a favor and try to do some research before you commit yourself to absurd statements because you'll run the risk of getting demoralized by me  ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #22321 on: January 27, 2007, 06:49:36 PM »
did ND actually say this?

I missed that classic line of bullshit.

 its odd because the lighting at the 93 olympia was fantastic.

and the dough still rises lol:

You missed it because I never said it  ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #22322 on: January 27, 2007, 06:52:35 PM »
no, they are not.

dorian's arms are massive.

but they are small for his torso/frame/quads/calves

and that is all that counts in this sport.


At his best his arms were not to small for his torso , stop using Ronnie has a base to judge him on because his biceps/triceps are overdeveloped , remember the Greek Ideal? calves , neck and arms all the same size , classic proportions ? Ronnie's calves & arms don't match and probably not the neck either lol

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #22323 on: January 27, 2007, 06:55:50 PM »
Yes he does , Ronnie Coleman says Dorian has the freakiest back he's ever seen

I believe Dorian admitted that a prime Ronnie would probably beat him in a competition.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #22324 on: January 27, 2007, 06:59:23 PM »
I believe Dorian admitted that a prime Ronnie would probably beat him in a competition.

You believed right ! to an extent he said the JUDGES would probably go with Ronnie based on his weight advantage , i.e. thats NOT Ronnie at his prime 1998 or 2001 ASC  ;) ironically enough he also stated that come contest time he would have better balance & conditioning , and low & behold I claimed that LONG before the interview its refreshing to have my opinions validated by professionals after the fact , it shows I know what I'm talking about.  ;)