Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[pumpster]

  It shows that you're not confident about your physique and that my comment affected you, so you needed others to validate it for you. If you were  confident, you would have laughed it off.

  Let's see...

SUCKMYMUSCLE

 

Tough talk in lieu of his own pics LOL

[suckmymuscle]

you actually addressed me by my proper sn. I will return the same courtesy as you have shown me. I thought I already responded to this question before.

  No, you said that, if they were both at 3% bodyfat and had 0 subcutaneous water, then it would be true. That is irrelevant, becasue if subcutaneous bodyfat and water are two sole facors responsisble for muscular separations, then all individuals should show the exact same amount of separartions at the exact same amount of subcutaneous bodyfat and water. That is, any two guys at 3, 4, 5, 6, 7%, etc, bodyfat would need to be just as separated. In conclusion, the two variables should always produce an exact amount of separations on all people when equalized. This si called the double-blinf placebo method.

 My answer is yes - they will demonstrate the same level of overall definition at the same lean body mass (excluding any differences in height).

  The only factors you can use to prove your theory are subcutaneous fat and water. Everything else, like intra-muscular water, glycogen stores, etc, are irrelevant.

  Well, here is where I prove you wrong. Dorian at the 1993 or 1995 Olympia was at 3% bodyfat and dehydrated. You can't use either his subcutaneous bodyfat or water as excuses, because Dorian was as low in subcutaneous fat and water as is humanly possible, and yet Coleman was more separated than Dorian overral. Dorian should have at least as much if not more separations than the 1998 or 1999 versions of Coleman for you to be right, but the truthis that Dorian has less. Conclusion: there are factors other than subcutaneous fat and water which determine how defined a muscle looks.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

SUCKY's like a rabid dog when it comes to hardness & dryness because Coleman wins on every other criteria.
thank you

  Actually, Dorian in his 1995 version defeats Ronnie muscularity, symmetry and conditioning. He wins:

 - Two of the three angles of the symmetry round.
 - Five of the seven mandatories
 
  He is simply more muscular&symmetrical than Ronnie from more angles and from more poses. He is comparable to Ronnie in the bak lat spread and dack double biceps in muscularity, but wins these mandatories because he has less symmetrical problems than Ronnie. He surpasses Ronnie in the abs-and-thighs and front lat spread - because his latsd spread wider and Dorian's stomach is flatter and more separated. He convincingly wins the side triceps - it's no good having bigger triceps is you can't display it to your advantage. The side chest goes to Dorian, because his pectoralis are as thick as Ronnie's, but he has less symmetrical flaws. The only two poses that go to Roninie are the front double biceps adn the crab shot, the latast of which wasn't evena mandatory during Dorian's reign. Ronnie wins the front double biceps becase flexing the arms and looking at it from the front is the only way to confer the full size of the arms, and Ron nie in his 1999 version has slightly bigger arms than Dorian - mostly due to biceps.

  Dorian wins two of the three angles of the relaxed round, back and side, because he has a flatter stomach from the sides, calves and smaller glutes. It's the symmetry round, and you cannot win it with the many more symmetrical flawas that Coleman has over Dorian .

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

Tough talk in lieu of his own pics LOL

  Ok, then. Post a pic showing the fantastic development you achieved by working out on your Bowflex and then I will post mine. I mean, we already know that you're poor and have no clue about training; actually seeing what you look like will be the icing on the cake of your humiliation. Come on, Bowflex boy! Show what you got!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[pumpster]

  Actually, Dorian in his 1995 version defeats Ronnie muscularity, symmetry and conditioning. He wins:

 - Two of the three angles of the symmetry round.
 - Five of the seven mandatories
 
  He is simply more muscular&symmetrical than Ronnie from more angles and from more poses. He is comparable to Ronnie in the bak lat spread and dack double biceps in muscularity, but wins these mandatories because he has less symmetrical problems than Ronnie. He surpasses Ronnie in the abs-and-thighs and front lat spread - because his latsd spread wider and Dorian's stomach is flatter and more separated. He convincingly wins the side triceps - it's no good having bigger triceps is you can't display it to your advantage. The side chest goes to Dorian, because his pectoralis are as thick as Ronnie's, but he has less symmetrical flaws. The only two poses that go to Roninie are the front double biceps adn the crab shot, the latast of which wasn't evena mandatory during Dorian's reign. Ronnie wins the front double biceps becase flexing the arms and looking at it from the front is the only way to confer the full size of the arms, and Ron nie in his 1999 version has slightly bigger arms than Dorian - mostly due to biceps.

  Dorian wins two of the three angles of the relaxed round, back and side, because he has a flatter stomach from the sides, calves and smaller glutes. It's the symmetry round, and you cannot win it with the many more symmetrical flawas that Coleman has over Dorian .

SUCKMYMUSCLE

All of the usual verbal diarrhrea obliterated in just a few shots. Yates severely owned:

[pobrecito]

Retort: Coleman destroyed in anything other than a most-muscular (which wasn't even a mandatory back for most of history) LOL

[suckmymuscle]

  Speculation? Like you guys saying that Ronnnie carried more mass at the 2001 ASC than at the 1999 Olympias despite being 10 lbs lighter - something that I have already demonstrated mathematically to be impossibe? Like you guys saying that Ronnie had a better back double biceps than Dorian because he had a better biceps peak, despite the fact that this conveys 5% of the muscle mass seen in this shot and that Ronnie had more assymetries in this pose? Like you guys sayingt that Shawn Nasser didn't win the 1997 olympia due to politics, depsite the fact that Wayne Demilia himself said the judges were blown away by his size and conditioning and gave him straight-firsts in all rounds? Like you guys saying that Dorian retired in 1997 because he feared Coleman, despite the fact that it wasn't even close and Ronnie came in ninth at the 1997 Olympia? Don't accuse me of speculating, because you fags are the queens of speculation. At the end, this discussion is nothing more than speculation, so don't think that you're better than me in this! As for you, Pumpster, you are the wors of all with your constant accusations of politics being involved with bodybuilding contest decisions, so don't be the pot calling the kettle black! You have provided no evidence whatsoever for your accusations; therefore, you are not entitled to accuse politics of being the responsible..

  And Pumpster, I assure you that no one at this boad was laughed at more than you when those Bowflex pics were posted. This was compounde by the fact that the pics also show that you're poor and live in a shithole. You were humiliated in grqand style and you melted down as predicted.

  And I find it funny that you would accuse me of repetition, considering that you post nothjing more than the same 3 or 4 pics again and again and you have yet to make a single post where you explain in a concise manner why you believe Ronnie at his best would defeat Dorian. the best explanation you came up with was saying that Dorian has small arms and a belly like a cow. Wow! You are the greatest loser in this thread by far, so shut the fuck up, mmmmmmmk?

SUCKMYMUSCLE

  Hey, Pumpster, you Bowflex queen,, you still haven't replied to this one!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

All of the usual verbal diarrhrea obliterated in just a few shots. Yates severely owned:

  Sure, because we all knbow that you're not biased in your choice of pics, right? I mean, how you resort to postintg the same 3 or 4 pics from the 1994 and 97 olympias en absurdum. Try this most muscular, dumbass!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

  Try this back lat spread!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[IceCold]

 Hey, Pumpster, you Bowflex queen,, you still haven't replied to this one!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

and he never will.

just like everything else he's been called out on. 

[pumpster]

  Sure, because we all knbow that you're not biased in your choice of pics, right? I mean, how you resort to postintg the same 3 or 4 pics from the 1994 and 97 olympias en absurdum. Try this most muscular, dumbass!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Ya we should use only the years SUCKY specifies because he's so objective bwhahaahahahahah

[realkarateblackbelt]

More self-indulgent ramblings.

Completely aside from density & dryness, the fact is that Coleman had real advantages in width, waist width and thus taper. Deal with it.

Yes, the judges didn't see it that way. Not once, but every year they competed against each other 

However, I would expect such distorted views from someone that uses a bowflex. You forgot to fully airbrush the dirty stains on the walls of your 1 bedroom apartment Dumpster.   

This is the man judging physiques. lmao.

[IceCold]

Yes, the judges didn't see it that way. Not once, but every year they competed against each other 

However, I would expect such distorted views from someone that uses a bowflex. You forgot to fully airbrush the dirty stains on the walls of your 1 bedroom apartment Dumpster.   

This is the man judging physiques. lmao.

he's also a moderator in the training forum and deletes my posts everytime i call him out.

utterly pathetic.

[realkarateblackbelt]

anyone can try to downplay a bodybuilder's strengths to make their favorite look better. It would be like me saying "when I look at Dorian, I see loose skin, a wide midsection, and bacne."


if Dorian is a samurai sword, then Ronnie is a gun - the next step in evolution. Ronnie matched Dorian in size with better definition and shape.


sure

Sure Gloryhole. Anymore pics displaying Ronnie's superior biceps? I agree Ronnie has the aesthetics of a gun, but I think a cannonball would be a more accurate comparison. Every flaw Dorian had, Ronnie amplified. He had a gut x2. Dorian had a gut no doubt, but only on Ronnie is it noticeable from the front as well as the side.
The grotesque stomach makes Ronnie look like shit from the front, thus nullifying the effect of his superior biceps.

In relaxed shots Ronnie Coleman looks like a mutant toad:



He took Dorians flaws, and added his own, namely, 4-pack abs, problems with water retention, comparative lack of muscle density, distractingly weak calves, and reverse taper. Not only did Dorian achieve a superior physique than Coleman, he did so younger than Coleman, and showed no signs of slowing down before injury. Coleman on the other hand has obviously peaked. More evidence that Coleman's build is a build built on drugs. The man probably eats and shoots whatever they feed him no question.

But I await more pics of Coleman's arms from the genius "gloryhole"  



Notice, everyone that post a pic always says, "this was a long time a go, I'm bigger now..." In other words, you know you look like shit, and are attempting to deflate some of the insults you know are coming. Psych101.  

[realkarateblackbelt]

he's also a moderator in the training forum and deletes my posts everytime i call him out.

utterly pathetic.

hahaha moderator of the training forum. That's amazing.

"I reccomend 20 sets of 100 reps, crossover flys on the bowflex for pec development. Gets my chest really pumped. You should periodically pause and oil the power rods, as the replacements are expensive"

hahahahaHAHAHAHAH!!!!

Dumpster must be a real specimen.

[pumpster]

Sure Gloryhole. Anymore pics displaying Ronnie's superior biceps? I agree Ronnie has the aesthetics of a gun, but I think a cannonball would be a more accurate comparison. Every flaw Dorian had, Ronnie amplified. He had a gut x2. Dorian had a gut no doubt, but only on Ronnie is it noticeable from the front as well as the side.
The grotesque stomach makes Ronnie look like shit from the front, thus nullifying the effect of his superior biceps.

In relaxed shots Ronnie Coleman looks like a mutant toad:

Speaking of relaxed looking like sh--, minus Coleman's size...

I PRESENT YOU THE ORIGINAL GH GUT WITH 17" CANNONS..

[tleilaxutank]

let this thread die for the love of God, I'm sick of seeing it...


Ronnie and Dorian were both phenomenal champs that produced RIDICULOUS levels of muscularity in their prime, but both held on too long and more or less got crappier physiques each year they held the title...

[pumpster]

THE CLASSIC YATES "H-TAPER"..

[IceCold]

THE CLASSIC YATES "H-TAPER"..

monster continuous avoidance of being called out.


notice how everytime this clown is called out, he post a relaxed picture of yates - eventhough he won the contest with a perfect score. 

[pumpster]

I GIVE YOU DORIAN "THE KEG" YATES IN ALL HIS GLORY..

[realkarateblackbelt]

If your stomach sticks out further than your chest in a front double biceps pose does a smaller waist really matter? 

[pumpster]

monster continuous avoidance of being called out.

Monster unsuccessful deflections of...

[realkarateblackbelt]

Monster trying to bury all responses that crushed you with a barrage of pics.

[pumpster]

If your stomach sticks out further than your chest in a front double biceps pose does a smaller waist really matter? 

This is much better genius LOL

[IceCold]

This is much better genius LOL

yes, it is.

post any pic where coleman is anywhere near that offseason shape.

you continous post pics of yates in his 2nd year as pro.

should we post pics from coleman from 92?

coleman couldnt even get an endorsement deal and was selling steroids to his cop buddies while yates almost beat a legend in his first olympia.