Author Topic: Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce  (Read 3552387 times)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28225 on: May 15, 2007, 10:26:12 PM »
I love how the dorian side tries to ignore that fact that ronnie has far superior:

traps
pecs
arms
delts
quads (which is a giagantic portion of the body right there...)

by saying the most muscular "doesn't count because it was only made a mandatory pose recently"

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maybe if dorian had better development it wouldn't be such an issue, now would it?

It's been demonstrated time and time again...

Ronnie has smaller, and in most cases, less defined traps.



His pecs are not better, because for one, his stomach sticks out further than his chest, thus nullifying any perceived structural advantage. Ronnie Coleman is the only Mr. Olympia in history to display a gut visible in a front pose.



Ronnie Coleman: The only Mr. Olympia in history with the dubious distinction of a reverse taper, a precedent yet to be followed.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28226 on: May 15, 2007, 10:28:12 PM »
ever wonder why there are so few full body shots of Dorian hitting an ab-and-thigh?



Hahaha. You can tell immediately looking at the background what a poor quality photo that is. It hides his definition. It does show how freaky his calves are though.













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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28227 on: May 15, 2007, 10:30:03 PM »
Hmm... Dorian '93 vs. Ronnie '98 :D

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28228 on: May 15, 2007, 10:32:08 PM »
Hmm... Dorian '93 vs. Ronnie '98 :D

Ronnie is just getting killed there. Coleman's condition looks comprable to Yates 10 weeks out. LOL

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28229 on: May 15, 2007, 10:35:15 PM »
Coleman always had larger thighs, but they are scarcely more defined. Ronnie Coleman didn't believe in proportion apparenlty.

hahaha!

-Yates reached his contest peak younger than Ronnie, showed no signs of slowing down, was defeated by injuries but never defeated as champion.

-Ronnie Coleman is clearly deteriorating, never could beat Yates in direct competition, and lost the title to Jay Cutler!

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28230 on: May 15, 2007, 10:36:42 PM »
Dorian getting destroyed :o











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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28231 on: May 15, 2007, 10:38:31 PM »
Yeah he's really being "destroyed"  ::)
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28232 on: May 15, 2007, 10:39:12 PM »
Dorian getting destroyed :o












apparently you missed this gem LOL. Coleman looking fat compared to Yates.


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28233 on: May 15, 2007, 10:39:49 PM »
Yeah he's really being "destroyed"

he sure is. Ronnie has superior muscularity, definition, fullness, shape, and taper.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28234 on: May 15, 2007, 10:42:02 PM »


I would hardly describe someone with a stomach that wide as having a great taper. It doesn't matter how wide your waist is with a stomach like that. This is just the early stages. Ronnie's 4-pack is parallel to his pectoralis.  :-X
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28235 on: May 15, 2007, 10:43:56 PM »
apparently you missed this gem LOL. Coleman looking fat compared to Yates.

I saw it alright. However, I don't consider Ronnie's 98 package his best. This discussion is about who would beat the other at their respective primes. So I don't see the point in posting that pic except to give an unfair advantage to Dorian. It would be like me comparing 01 ASC Ronnie to 92 Dorian.




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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28236 on: May 15, 2007, 10:45:12 PM »
he sure is. Ronnie has superior muscularity, definition, fullness, shape, and taper.

You post a majority of 01AC pictures of a 244lb Ronnie and say he is more muscular than a 260lb Yates who is an inch shorter?

Fuck this bullshit. If that's the best you can reason I would hate to see you in an academic setting.

And FYI, this is what a superior taper looks like:

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28237 on: May 15, 2007, 10:51:52 PM »
I would hardly describe someone with a stomach that wide as having a great taper. It doesn't matter how wide your waist is with a stomach like that. This is just the early stages. Ronnie's 4-pack is parallel to his pectoralis.

more self-ownage. I love it! :D








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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28238 on: May 15, 2007, 11:04:42 PM »
You post a majority of 01AC pictures of a 244lb Ronnie and say he is more muscular than a 260lb Yates who is an inch shorter?

damn, you nuthuggers sure love to spout nonsense. The list continues to grow. Ronnie was 247 lbs at the 01 ASC.



The ONLY area where Dorian carried more lean mass was his gigantic midsection. Here is a comparison between 247 lbs Ronnie and 257 lbs Dorian. Notice I scaled their heights to be exactly the same to reduce error. In reality, this is an advantage for Dorian. There is no visible difference in size between them.



now here is a comparison that one of the Dorian nuthuggers, Rocketfag, made between a 247 lbs Ronnie and 260 lbs Dorian. You can't complain that it's biased to make Ronnie look bigger since I didn't make it. You'll notice they are the same size.



So shut the f*ck up with your pathetic whining about how 01 ASC Ronnie wasn't the same size as Dorian. You've been proven wrong over and over again.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28239 on: May 15, 2007, 11:08:35 PM »
more comp..

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28240 on: May 15, 2007, 11:10:41 PM »
more comp..

to be fair, that first comparison isn't scaled properly. Ronnie looks to be 2-3 inches taller than Dorian. I don't know why the 2nd pic is black and white. Here is the color version. I know b/c I made it.


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28241 on: May 15, 2007, 11:19:23 PM »
Hmm.. ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28242 on: May 16, 2007, 12:00:01 AM »
space between the arms has NOTHING to do with lat size in this case.

its to do with the position of the arms on the hips.

notice: Haney had lots of space too, and his lats were not exactly crappy either..

Oh man don't even start to compare haney/coleman from the back, haney owns coleman if it comes to back shots.

Coleman had a great back no question but his lats were surely not in yates or haneys league.

Lats and back are two different things, you can have a great back (middle back thickness) like coleman but the lats can be still a little weak.

Everyone can see that yates has the thicker lats in the front/back lat spread.

Coleman wins the front/back double biceps cause the biceps is the most important thing in this 2 poses but yates has a clear advantage in the front/back lat spread.

Sure yates lacks arms,shoulders and chest in the front lat spread if you compare him with coleman but that doesn't matter much cause the target muscle for this pose is the back (lats/back)

If the rest is not fully out of balance then the guy with the better back will always win this poses especially if the guy shows more hardness like yates.

That's the reason why judges ask for 8 mandatory poses, the side chest,most muscular,double biceps etc are for the other muscles so yates wins the front/back lat spread even if you have a hard time to accept that.

Yates had better lats and of course he was a shit load harder from the back.

Here are 2 pics just to show you what I mean, yates and coleman at their peak and yates has a clear advantage in structure and lat width.

If you have great lats then you should also look width relaxed, but that is not the case in this pic.

Please don't tell me now that coleman has a great lat width in this pic or I must laugh  ::)

Haney and yates = all Lats.

Coleman was never in the same league with them, sure he had also a great back but a perfect back also needs perfect lats and colemans lats are far away from perfect imo, hope that helps a little.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28243 on: May 16, 2007, 12:36:47 AM »
Coleman had a great back no question but his lats were surely not in yates or haneys league.

Lats and back are two different things, you can have a great back (middle back thickness) like coleman but the lats can be still a little weak.

Everyone can see that yates has the thicker lats in the front/back lat spread.

If you have great lats then you should also look width relaxed, but that is not the case in this pic.

umm, no. Ronnie in 03 (imo his prime) had thicker and wider lats than either Lee Haney or Dorian.








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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28244 on: May 16, 2007, 12:44:45 AM »
here's a brutally honest comparison between a 260 lbs Dorian and a 287 lbs Ronnie.


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28245 on: May 16, 2007, 01:59:50 AM »
here's a brutally honest comparison between a 260 lbs Dorian and a 287 lbs Ronnie.



Brutally honest my ass  ::)

Coleman's right chicken calf looks twice as big as yates calves, dream on and stop to make such stupid claims.

Coleman was best between 1998-2000, afterwards it went downhill and you could witness how his lats went shit and 2003 was one of his worst years from the lats.

The only thing he could improve compared to 99 from the backside were a little more mass in the middle back and the traps but that's not really much if it comes with the water-logged look that he had in 2003.

He has not even flexed the lats right after 2000, he just looked like a hunchback, that must be the reason why the word esmeralda comes in mind if I check a coleman lat spread after 2000  ;D

He basically just get in a hunched position and hopes that his lats are flexed, really poor for a Mr.O  :o

Sure he still showed a really good middle back thickness but his lats looked poor in the hunched position.

Also he had those ugly skin folds right on the spot were the upper lats should be flexed in a rear lat spread, oh I forgot this is called a lat tear after the 2006 Mr.O  ::)

No way 2003 was colemans prime.

If you prefer quantity or quality yes, but I for my part prefer quality and 2003 is far away from quality.

1999 is by far his best showing.

Coleman 2003 looked more like a water buffalo than a Mr.O, only seperated bodyparts like legs or arms were still impressive but the whole package that he presented in 2003 was a big mess.

Not to forget that he had brought the most gay moments to a Mr.O stage with his gay dance ass shake shit this year  :-X

Oh and let's not forget his improved gh-gut, yeah 2003 was his prime.

But 1999 or 2003, it doesnt really matter.

He looks also way too small for a guy with almost 300 lbs in 2003 from the back if he stands relaxed.

Here a few pics to prove my point.

You should also check this ugly looking skin folds, I have marked them for you ;)  but I bet you are too much of a guy to the see the folds..


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28246 on: May 16, 2007, 04:35:19 AM »
Yeah he's really being "destroyed"  ::)
Dude you have no credibility; on the NY Pro thread your silliness is laughed at over & over again:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=148173.50

Good comparison; Yates loses!

-Coleman with more width AND smaller waist = drastically better taper as proven here. Yates looks blocky in comparison.

-Coleman's arms are in balance with back, unlike Yates with arms too small.

-Thighs off the scale compared to Yates - dramatic X-frame where Yates has almost nothing.



Haney at his best might be in the same sentence as Coleman or Yates, that's about it. You're confusing a tiny waist with having the best back.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28247 on: May 16, 2007, 08:52:59 AM »
Brutally honest my ass

Coleman's right chicken calf looks twice as big as yates calves, dream on and stop to make such stupid claims.

ha ha ha ha, "chicken calf?" Riiiigght. Ronnie may not have balanced calves, but they are far from small. I guarantee they are bigger than the size of your arm in person. So stop making such stupid claims. And by the way, you must be blind b/c Ronnie's calf in the pic doesn't look twice the size of Dorian's - it's actually smaller.



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Coleman was best between 1998-2000, afterwards it went downhill and you could witness how his lats went shit and 2003 was one of his worst years from the lats.

again, stupid comment. Ronnie's lats were at their biggest in 03. They were freakishly wide, thick, and detailed. Peter McGough even went on to remark that Ronnie has the best back of all-time. So spare me your nonsense about Ronnie's lats going to shit.

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Also he had those ugly skin folds right on the spot were the upper lats should be flexed in a rear lat spread, oh I forgot this is called a lat tear after the 2006 Mr.O

you mean ugly skin folds like this? ;)





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No way 2003 was colemans prime.

too bad just about every professional bodybuilder and magazine writer disagrees with you. Here are a few quotes that I found. You'll notice most of them were written soon after the 03 Mr. Olympia.

Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004

"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."

Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004

"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."

Steve Blechman - MD, Febrary 2004

"Ronnie perseveres and proves continually that, at his best, he is unbeatable."

Dexter Jackson - Flex, January 2004

"As to Ronnie, that dude is by far the best bodybuilder on earth, he is in a class by himself, and no one will be able to touch him for years to come."

John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website

"It would be safe to say that [Ronnie Coleman] presented a physique that has never been seen by the bodybuilding world ever before. Competing at an incredibly massive 287 pounds, Ronnie destroyed the competition with a physique that could not possibly be equaled."

Shawn Ray – 2003 Year in Review (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)

"Ridiculous" Ronnie Coleman would win his 6th Sandow Trophy in a row looking absolutely ridiculous! This guy was from another planet! Ronnie added about a million pounds of muscle from the previous year and squashed the competition on sheer MASS! Unbelievable is what Ronnie was this night!"

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28248 on: May 16, 2007, 10:13:51 AM »
Ronnie's lats were at their biggest at the 03' Olympia. Anyone can see that

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #28249 on: May 16, 2007, 10:16:32 AM »
another classic hulkster meltdown.

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