Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NarcissisticDeity]

you did not answer my question .

I never claimed anything , you did , you claimed ' we or they ' did it , don't blame me unless you know it was me or anyone else , I didn't even know about the poll until I came back and I laughed at it and dismissed it for what it was , so get your facts straight kid.

[NarcissisticDeity]

show me some concrete evidence ND.

that is the weakest evidence yet for the fact that dorian is better.

I find it so unbelievably ironic that you had the audacity to say that my argument was 'weak' when your argument has no substance what so ever.

you don't even compare them anymore..

I don't compare them anymore because this horse has been beaten to death , my evidence? part of it is my interpretation of the judging criteria which I knew well before you guys did and to have it validated after the fact by professionals

I say Dorian has better conditioning than Ronnie , you guys all dismissed it , in the interview with Dorian he says he has better conditioning than Ronnie and you say no substance what so ever? LMFAO consider that point proven as well as the quotes talking about Dorian's legendary conditioning which further validate my claim , and the quote from McGough specifically stating Ronnie 99 was not as hard or dry as he was in 1998 

I say Dorian has better balance & proportion , once again the morons scoff all the while not even knowing what the hell it is lol they know Ronnie does have better balance & proportion , they don't know how but he just does , after a very descriptive and thorough explanation by me using photos , I then validated my claim after the fact via Dorian Yates who specfically stated that compared to Ronnie he has better balance & proportion

Muscle Density - case closed

Muscular bulk - again depending on the year Yates has an edge albeit small but coupled with his other advantages they add up in Yates' favor

Posing & presentation - Yates he knows how to pose correctly and effectively , I said while we were debating poses , Yates has a better side chest and gave a host of reasons why , and you guys once again scoffed but low and behold I have a quote from Shawn Ray speficially stating Ronnie's side chest ( and side tricep ) leave a lot to be desired lol see a pattern here?

This is substance a fuck-of-a-lot more substance that what you have and I'll be the first to admit Ronnie could beat Dorian at his best , but you morons even refuse to entertain the idea vice versa thats substance ? no way in hell thats bias plain & simple I've presented more facts ( IFBB criteria ) more quotes and a more savy critique and explanation of my point of view than you guys

so once again I'm in the position of power hear because I'm NOT biased , not ignorant and not stupid  , there is NOTHING left you can counter with this truly is Checkmate .

[Hulkster]

what good is 'better conditioning' when you have little detail to display from the front:

 

the whole point of dieting and doing cardio to get great conditioning is to show off great muscular detail.

and thats a department that dorian suffers greatly compared to Ronnie, even at his 93 best:

[suckmymuscle]

I already blew your argument out of the water. Nice try kiddo, but regurgitating the same bullshit won't help you.

  You didn't rebut anything, SemenHole. First of all, the line you drew on the pic was higher on Dorian's arms. And I still managed to count a centimeter of difference in the retarded comparison you provided. Secondly, when you take into consideration the scaling of the picture, even a measly difference of one centimeter in the lengh of the forearms on paer would translate into a massive 20 to 30 centimeters in real life. Like I said, Ronnie would need to be 2 feet taller than Dorian for him to have forearms that are 20 centimeters longer. Again, if their forearms were a few centimeters apart in lengh, then the difference in the retarded comparison you didn would be of a few milimeters. And like I said, the difference in arm flexion and angle in relation to the camera would not be enough to explain this monster difference in lengh. Nice try, kid(you're the kid because I'm years older than you).

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[dragonheart]

I always thought that for a Mr. Olympia Dorian's arms were below average.

[NeoSeminole]

You just typed that your homemade comparison based on two separate photos is ' reality ' I rest my case on that alone

when the comparison is close to accurate and demonstrates beyond a reasonable doubt the reality of a prime Dorian facing a prime Ronnie, then I have no choice but to accept it.

as I expected you're playing with words , so predictable and they are NOT close to accurate because neither is based on reality , oh wait according to you they are lol

dude, go back to grammar school and then come back here instead of accusing others of semantics when you're the one with reading problems. It's not my fault you confuse "quite accurate" and "not perfect."

Its wrong of you to presume to speak for someone else and its wrong because he SPECIFICALLY MENTIONS they both weigh more than Dorian , so nice try an interpretation

I'm willing to bet $1,000 the judge wasn't being serious when he said Dorian was the biggest man on stage. It's obvious he was speaking figuratively if you look at pics of Dorian standing next to Paul Dillet and Lou Ferrigno. They both literally dwarf him.

lets see should I take the word of a judge who was live and in person or some biased , ignorant moron? Hmmmmm...............let me think about that one

you owned yourself with that one. ha ha ha.

Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005

"Ronnie sporting that [01 ASC] look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."

Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004

"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."

Jean Pierre Fux - Personal Website

"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."

Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004

"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."

Steve Blechman - MD, Febrary 2004

"Ronnie perseveres and proves continually that, at his best, he is unbeatable."

Mike Matarazzo – Flex, January 1999

“I think this creature from another planet, Ronnie Coleman, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten Dorian Yates. Ronnie has every single attribute it takes to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived.”

Shawn Perine - Flex, July 2007 p. 207

"After all, he's still, even at 43 yrs old, eight-time Mr. O Ronnie freakin' Coleman. Which is to say, arguably the best bodybuilder who has ever lived."

Greg Merritt - Flex, July 2007 p. 212

"Coleman is only two years older than the new Mr. O (hypothetical article saying if Toney Freeman won), but time stops for no man, including the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."

If it was figurative he would have NEVER mentioned they both weigh more than Dorian , there goes your theory and the judge concerning Ronnie was obviously being figurative

do you even understand how figurative language works?

[NeoSeminole]

You didn't rebut anything, Sir NeoSeminole. First of all, the line you drew on the pic was higher on Dorian's arms. And I still managed to count a centimeter of difference in the retarded comparison you provided. Secondly, when you take into consideration the scaling of the picture, even a measly difference of one centimeter in the lengh of the forearms on paer would translate into a massive 20 to 30 centimeters in real life. Like I said, Ronnie would need to be 2 feet taller than Dorian for him to have forearms that are 20 centimeters longer. Again, if their forearms were a few centimeters apart in lengh, then the difference in the retarded comparison you didn would be of a few milimeters. And like I said, the difference in arm flexion and angle in relation to the camera would not be enough to explain this monster difference in lengh. Nice try, kid(you're the kid because I'm years older than you).

I will try to make this simple for you to understand. Dorian is bending his arms and torquing them forward (away from camera) while turning his wrists in more whereas Ronnie is holding his forearms straight up without bending his wrists.

No single factor is solely responsible but rather a combination of all of them which creates the illusion that Ronnie's forearms are longer.

A dead giveaway their arms are not positioned the same is that Ronnie's hands are above his head while Dorian's are near his ears. If I made their forearms the same length, then Ronnie's head would start at Dorian's chin. This alone should tell you they're holding their arms differently.

Furthermore, I checked the scaling by drawing lines across the top of their heads, hips, knees and heels. These anatomical landmarks should line up if they are the same height. You will see that I actually made Dorian slightly taller. If the scaling was off by a lot (like you claim), then it would reveal itself by the lines not matching up. However, you can see they, in fact, match from top to bottom.

[NeoSeminole]

Dorian's arms looked like shit in every pose except the side triceps. Very underwhelming for a Mr. Olympia.

[pumpster]

id hate to break it to you ND but in that black and white pic, dorians arms are horrible. if you chopped the pic and asked people to judge, id bet they would say it was two different bodybuilders .

the biceps connect different, one tri is bigger and the forearms couldnt look more different.

horrible symmetry, dorians arms look like he trained each one on a seperate day.

bwahahahahahahaahahahah


First gh15 now this latest humiliation.

[dzulboy]

to this day i still think dorian winning any olympia is a crock of shit

[sgt. d]

I still cant figure out how he won the 1994 Mr. Olympia. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

when the comparison is close to accurate and demonstrates beyond a reasonable doubt the reality of a prime Dorian facing a prime Ronnie, then I have no choice but to accept it.

dude, go back to grammar school and then come back here instead of accusing others of semantics when you're the one with reading problems. It's not my fault you confuse "quite accurate" and "not perfect."

I'm willing to bet $1,000 the judge wasn't being serious when he said Dorian was the biggest man on stage. It's obvious he was speaking figuratively if you look at pics of Dorian standing next to Paul Dillet and Lou Ferrigno. They both literally dwarf him.



you owned yourself with that one. ha ha ha.

Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005

"Ronnie sporting that [01 ASC] look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."

Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004

"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."

Jean Pierre Fux - Personal Website

"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."

Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004

"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."

Steve Blechman - MD, Febrary 2004

"Ronnie perseveres and proves continually that, at his best, he is unbeatable."

Mike Matarazzo – Flex, January 1999

“I think this creature from another planet, Ronnie Coleman, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten Dorian Yates. Ronnie has every single attribute it takes to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived.”

Shawn Perine - Flex, July 2007 p. 207

"After all, he's still, even at 43 yrs old, eight-time Mr. O Ronnie freakin' Coleman. Which is to say, arguably the best bodybuilder who has ever lived."

Greg Merritt - Flex, July 2007 p. 212

"Coleman is only two years older than the new Mr. O (hypothetical article saying if Toney Freeman won), but time stops for no man, including the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."

do you even understand how figurative language works?

when the comparison is close to accurate and demonstrates beyond a reasonable doubt the reality of a prime Dorian facing a prime Ronnie, then I have no choice but to accept it.

First of all its NOT close to accurate thats already in dispute , second 2003 is NOT ' prime Ronnie ' three much bigger bodybuilders couldn't dwarf Dorian yet a lighter one is  a 296 pound Ronnie ( in certain poses ) couldn't dwarf a 225 pound Dexter , but he make a 257 pound Dorian look like a middleweight , yah sure your right 

dude, go back to grammar school and then come back here instead of accusing others of semantics when you're the one with reading problems. It's not my fault you confuse "quite accurate" and "not perfect."

again you're playing with words , another of your weak tactics , like your comparison go back to the drawing board and there is nothing quite accurate about a comparison where Dorian has a narrower waist than Ronnie or comparable calves

I'm willing to bet $1,000 the judge wasn't being serious when he said Dorian was the biggest man on stage. It's obvious he was speaking figuratively if you look at pics of Dorian standing next to Paul Dillet and Lou Ferrigno. They both literally dwarf him.

Stop presuming to speak for the judge and what his thoughts were  , if that was the case the judge wouldn't have felt compelled to mention both weighed more than he did and we're not talking about height wise we're talking about size wise hence why the judge said

I.F.B.B. judge Roger Schwab

 Though Yates was lighter than Lou Ferrigno or Paul Dillett , he appeared to be the biggest man on stage-by far- and the hardest , dominating from beginning to end and every step in between.



its clear cut I know this crushes your fantasy ( and your biased comparisons ) that Dorian would look like a child next to 2003 Ronnie but it doesn't change the fact , couple that with the Shawn , Dexter quote its easy for anyone with any sense to see you have nothing to work with

do you even understand how figurative language works?

Dorian was LITERALLY lighter than Paul and Lou and according to this judge he appeared the biggest man ON-STAGE there is nothing figurative about him specifically mentioning this fact

" Chris Cormier standing next to Dorian onstage he sensed ' radiation coming off him , like an aura. ' The power of that muscle was tangible. It exerted a force all of its own. 


Now this is figurative I know the difference 

[NarcissisticDeity]

what good is 'better conditioning' when you have little detail to display from the front:

 

the whole point of dieting and doing cardio to get great conditioning is to show off great muscular detail.

and thats a department that dorian suffers greatly compared to Ronnie, even at his 93 best:

One you're basing your opinion off an inaccurate means so unless you've personally seen Dorian live & in person , your opinion is already faulty

Flex magazine Jan 1992 on Dorian Yates

" Dorian has the type of physique that looks much better and more powerfull in person than photos. I personally saw him onstage , and Yates if definitely light years ahead of the way he looks in photos.

light years ahead

MuscleMag International Feb 1994 on Dorian Yates at the 1993 Mr Olympia


" He's huge , absolutely HUGE ...he's ripped completely RIPPED. And while he's not in possession of the prettiest physique body by a long shot , he's equipped with all the bodyparts you need to win .

Combine this with the fact that he's 10 TIMES more impressive when you see him onstage at the Olympia than he is in pictures or on videos and you got yourself a winner.



10 TIMES !! more impressive !

Cormier thought ' I might as well forget about this guy and concentrate on being second. ' There was something else , too , strange. You had to witness him in the flesh. such granite hardness had a property that could nor be held on film or caught on paper. You had to see it live.

Granite hardness that could not be held on film or paper YOU HAD TO SEE IT LIVE

Peter McGough Flex Magazine May 2002

Let it be said that the camera can lie at physique contests. Some guys look great onstage but not so great on final film (Dorian Yates, for one) and vice versa (Shawn Ray is an example)

Whoa another quote , Dorian looks GREAT on stage but not so great on final film , see a pattern here?

whenever you make a statement on things ponder these points first ( I know you wont bias prevents you ) you and all your infinite ' knowledge ' are stopped dead in their tracks because you are already working with inaccurate tools to comment on the topic with any accuracy


and from the materials we do have Dorian doesn't suffer ' greatly ' as you claim , Dorian crushes Ronnie in detail in his calves , his whole midsection , his whole back , because you feel Ronnie has more striations and better tie-ins that doesn't mean he's better conditioned or would win based on that , check this fucking detail out ! Dorian is the pinnacle of highly conditioned mass

[Till_I-Collapse]

let me imagine the reaction of Hulkster to the above great post:

1. Open his 5 GB folder of Ronnies pics in his hard drive.
2. Browse some of the pics and figures out that some of the above points are valid and yet he refuses to believe
3. Nervously,browse the pics more and more, and wisper to himself in a strainning voice "this can't be true, you are the best, my love...i will defend you my hero to my last breath"
3. Igonores all the above points and comes here to inject this thread with 500 more pages.


hope this helps

[bigkubby]

dorian's arms were not that great- pre tear. Post tear, they were some of the worst ever for a Mr. O.

the problem over on the truce thread is that the dorian fans (all three of them LOL) are so fucking stupid they have tried to argue in the past that they are actually BETTER than a peak ronnie' coleman's arms....


this is the kind of stupidity that the ronnie side is dealing with over there.

We are the voice of sanity, bodybuilding knowledge, and fairness.

they are the voice of shear stupidity, cheating (they voted 1000 times in a dorian vs ronnie poll in one night lol) and avoidance of reality...

im sorry i thought you were nd any ways these dorain  fans are delusional they are fags, dorian had the worst set of arms following the olympia titles

[Necrosis]

aww shit, what's up bro? I'm glad to see you posting in the gossip section. How's school going?

this is it man, been busy as shit.

leaving for school on sat and just finally convocated. nervous as fuck.

i barely have time to post but ND's stupidity forced me into it.

[IceCold]

for someone who thinks they know more about bodybuilding than peter mcgough, hulkster, you should know that there are other poses that show the arms.

you only point to the front double bi and most muscular bc they hide ronnie's triceps.

i dare you to post a shot of ronnie even coming close to this shot of yates - of triceps and foearms.

ronnie's arms in this shot are no where near yates'.




end of thread. 



ps - pumpster, maybe this week there wont be 4 threads bashing you.

hahaha.

[GigantorX]

So, 1400 pages of complete subjective bullshit on the last ungodly "Dorian vs Ronnie" was not fucking enough? Everytime a thread like this is posted a fresh newborn baby is stabbed to death by Derek Anthony while two gay clowns fucking eachother crack up in hysterics. You know it's fucking true.

[Pollux]

to this day i still think dorian winning any olympia is a crock of shit

Amen to that!

[IceCold]

extreme ownage by ND again.


hulkster, what and who will it take for you to realize your wrong?

you've ignored ronnie, mcgough, shawn, everyone.

who are you waiting for?

[suckmymuscle]

I will try to make this simple for you to understand. Dorian is bending his arms and torquing them forward (away from camera) while turning his wrists in more whereas Ronnie is holding his forearms straight up without bending his wrists.

No single factor is solely responsible but rather a combination of all of them which creates the illusion that Ronnie's forearms are longer.

A dead giveaway their arms are not positioned the same is that Ronnie's hands are above his head while Dorian's are near his ears. If I made their forearms the same length, then Ronnie's head would start at Dorian's chin. This alone should tell you they're holding their arms differently.

  For the billionth time, I understood the first time, but you're wrong. Why? Because all the factors you've mentioned are irrelevant when it comes to direct measurement - although you're partially correct that there is an illusion aspect to it. I measured their forearms and found a difference in excess of 1 cm. Considering the scaling of the picture, that would translate into a difference of anywhere from 20 to 30 centimeters in real life, which is too much to be explained by the fact that Dorian is bending his forearms away from the camera. For fuck sake, dude, why is this so hard for you to comprehend? How many times more will I need to explain this shit? If their fprearms were of roughly equal lengh, Ronnie's forearsm wouldn't appear to be 20 to 30 centimeters longer only on account of Dorian having his forearms  bend forward. Make an experiment. Have two bodybuilders of equal forearm lengh do the back double biceps, with one of the bending the forearm forward. Will thi be enough to make the guy who has his forearm standing up look 20 to 30 centimeters longer? Of course not.

Furthermore, I checked the scaling by drawing lines across the top of their heads, hips, knees and heels. These anatomical landmarks should line up if they are the same height. You will see that I actually made Dorian slightly taller. If the scaling was off by a lot (like you claim), then it would reveal itself by the lines not matching up. However, you can see they, in fact, match from top to bottom.

  Yes, you did scale it properly for height but not for width and you did not take depth into account! You twisted the comparison to make Ronnie's lats appear wider than they are. The evidence? Ronnie's arms and forearms are brutally longer than Dorian by a factor that cannot be explained by any extrinsec variable. Also, in the comparison you've posted Ronnie is facing the camera dead on while Dorian is slightly twisted to one side, which enhances Ronnie's width in comparison to Dorian.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

One you're basing your opinion off an inaccurate means so unless you've personally seen Dorian live & in person , your opinion is already faulty

Flex magazine Jan 1992 on Dorian Yates

" Dorian has the type of physique that looks much better and more powerfull in person than photos. I personally saw him onstage , and Yates if definitely light years ahead of the way he looks in photos.

light years ahead

MuscleMag International Feb 1994 on Dorian Yates at the 1993 Mr Olympia


" He's huge , absolutely HUGE ...he's ripped completely RIPPED. And while he's not in possession of the prettiest physique body by a long shot , he's equipped with all the bodyparts you need to win .

Combine this with the fact that he's 10 TIMES more impressive when you see him onstage at the Olympia than he is in pictures or on videos and you got yourself a winner.



10 TIMES !! more impressive !

Cormier thought ' I might as well forget about this guy and concentrate on being second. ' There was something else , too , strange. You had to witness him in the flesh. such granite hardness had a property that could nor be held on film or caught on paper. You had to see it live.

Granite hardness that could not be held on film or paper YOU HAD TO SEE IT LIVE

Peter McGough Flex Magazine May 2002

Let it be said that the camera can lie at physique contests. Some guys look great onstage but not so great on final film (Dorian Yates, for one) and vice versa (Shawn Ray is an example)

Whoa another quote , Dorian looks GREAT on stage but not so great on final film , see a pattern here?

whenever you make a statement on things ponder these points first ( I know you wont bias prevents you ) you and all your infinite ' knowledge ' are stopped dead in their tracks because you are already working with inaccurate tools to comment on the topic with any accuracy


and from the materials we do have Dorian doesn't suffer ' greatly ' as you claim , Dorian crushes Ronnie in detail in his calves , his whole midsection , his whole back , because you feel Ronnie has more striations and better tie-ins that doesn't mean he's better conditioned or would win based on that , check this fucking detail out ! Dorian is the pinnacle of highly conditioned mass

  Outstanding post.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Hulkster]

Flex magazine Jan 1992 on Dorian Yates

" Dorian has the type of physique that looks much better and more powerfull in person than photos. I personally saw him onstage , and Yates if definitely light years ahead of the way he looks in photos.

and the same is not true of Ronnie or anyone else?

 

Cut the crap with this 'dorian has magical properties that no one else has' argument.

it is stupid, wrong and total bullshit.

and, as ND would say, a total fallacy, faulty logic and weak to boot.

 

Its no wonder everyone looks at the cold hard evidence and says ronnie is better.

you guys have no idea what the fuck you are doing

[Hulkster]

Whoa another quote , Dorian looks GREAT on stage but not so great on final film , see a pattern here?

I see a desperate pathetic and incorrect excuse for the fact peak Ronnie owns dorian in most of the comparisons.
 

get a real argument for a change, one that actually has some concrete evidence going for it..
 

[Hulkster]

Dorian looks GREAT on stage but not so great on final film

gee, how fucking convienient..

you really will say anything to avoid the REALITY that Ronnie is better, won't you?

this is retarded.

when dorian gets owned and experts agree, you say it is wrong.

when dorian gets owned you say its because he 'looks bad on film'..

can you see a fucking pattern here? 


I am done with this thread if this is what you have to resort to.

its stupid.

Dorian was no different than anyone else.

EVERYONE looks better up close and in person than in a magazine pic.

Why don't you go to a board that is more pro Yates and anti ronnie?

oh wait, there are none...