Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[suckmymuscle]

I made them the same size to show you bytches side by side. I didn't photoshop anything. I don't need to photoshop any pic. I'm not the one complaing about fake pics. The pic on the left was taken from an interview of yates talking about the 96 Olympia. The pic on  the left is from the 96 Olympia tape.

I've just showed you that it's from "2 different sources"

Are this stupid?

  The critique is that you cannot selectively choose the contrast and camera resolution that makes Ronnie look the most impressive and then compare it to a picture of Dorian where he has a worst contrast and resolution. It's just not fair. Accurate comparisons can only be done when you match pictures with equal contrast and resolution, sport.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Hulkster]

Accurate comparisons can only be done when you match pictures with equal contrast and resolution, sport.

yup. Just like the 93 vs 99 screencaps.

and we all know what happened there...dorian got crushed..

[suckmymuscle]

yup. Just like the 93 vs 99 screencaps.

and we all know what happened there...dorian got crushed..

  and Ronnie gets crushed when comparing the 1995 Dorian to the 1999 Coleman when using the same contrast.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Hulkster]

  and Ronnie gets crushed when comparing the 1995 Dorian to the 1999 Coleman when using the same contrast.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

LOL Where? :

[suckmymuscle]

LOL Where? :

  Hulky, this is not the smae contrast and I think that Dorian looks better even then.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[YoungBlood]

Holy shit, I can't believe this thread just won't die. More views, more replies, and all from pretty much the same pics from all 1300+ pages......

[Hulkster]

well, its pretty tough to get shots of dorian and ronnie with the exact same contrast, but the shots I posted happened to be fairly close.

still, I see your point, which is rare for the dorian side since you are the only person on the dorian side with a brain..

ND, well lets just say that to him offering support for dorian is nothing more than repeating 12 year old quotes over and over again and typing statements that get disproven by simply LOOKING at a comparison between dorian and ronnie lol

[NeoSeminole]

No, it's not. Why? Because you can see that Dorian is flexign his wrist, and that gives the impression that the line is lower than it is. If Dorian stretched his hand parallel to the forearms, you'd see the line climbing up his hand.

nice try kiddo, but the pic doesn't lie. That's his wrist. Ask anyone who has studied anatomy.

Sir NeoSeminole, what the fuck are you measuring? Are you measuring the whole frame of the picture? Because youa re supposed to measure only Ronnie in the pciture and not all the picture. We are comparing the real Ronnie to the Ronnie that is shown in the picture. When you measure Ronnie, his height is around 11 centimeters.

ha ha ha ha, you make this too easy for me. I included a ruler that is calibrated in centimeters. You can see for yourself that Ronnie is 14.5 cm tall in my comparison. I don't know where the f*ck you got 11 cm from.

And it is not 4 milimeters as you say. But even if it is, then you need to multiply that by 17 or 18, which is the scale of Ronnie in the pic vs the real Ronnie(180 cm). The you get around 7 centimeters - going by your measure, which is unproven.Even then, seven centimeters is a lot for you to explain with the excuse that Dorian is beding his forearsm away from the camera.

the difference in forearm length between Dorian and Ronnie in my comparison is 3 mm. I used 4 mm to adjust for your claim that I included part of Dorian's hand. Since Ronnie is 180 cm tall in person and his height in my comparison is 14.5 cm, we divide 180 by 14.5 and get 12.4. The scale is 1:12.4.

4 mm (the difference in length) x 12.4 = 49.6 mm which equals 4.96 cm. There are 2.54 cm per inch.

4.96 cm/ 2.54 = 1.95 inches

so there you have it. The difference in real life would be less than 2" which is easily explained by camera angles.

[suckmymuscle]

nice try kiddo, but the pic doesn't lie. That's his wrist. Ask anyone who has studied anatomy.

  That is only the wrist because it is flexed and thus the line stops sooner than it otherwise would if hishand were extended. Why can't you grasp such a simple concept?

ha ha ha ha, you make this too easy for me. I included a ruler that is calibrated in centimeters. You can see for yourself that Ronnie is 14.5 cm tall in my comparison. I don't know where the f*ck you got 11 cm from.

  My guess is that you measured the whole frame of the picture and got to the figure of 15 centimeters. Well, I just re-measured it and got to 11 centimeters. I compared my ruler to the measure you posted and I got 11 centimeters. My ruler is an engineering ruler from my brother, so it cannot posibly be incorrect. You haven't proven shit. If I had a scanner, I would post the picture of my ruler and next to yours and show how you are incorrect. 11 centimeters on my ruler is equivalent to 15 on yours. I think you made up this ruler of yours in despair. I am going to say this flat out: your ruler is incorrect.

the difference in forearm length between Dorian and Ronnie in my comparison is 3 mm. I used 4 mm to adjust for your claim that I included part of Dorian's hand. Since Ronnie is 180 cm tall in person and his height in my comparison is 14.5 cm, we divide 180 by 14.5 and get 12.4. The scale is 1:12.4.

4 mm (the difference in length) x 12.4 = 49.6 mm which equals 4.96 cm. There are 2.54 cm per inch.

4.96 cm/ 2.54 = 1.95 inches

so there you have it. The difference in real life would be less than 2" which is easily explained by camera angles.

  Ok, first of all, I do not accept 3 mimileters as the difference. That is your measure, which was:

  - arbitrarily decided upon.

  - Did not take into consideration the fact that Dorian's wrist is bent forward in the comparison, which distorts the measure.

  The actual difference is over 1 centimeter, when taking into consideration that Ronnie is 11 centimeters in the pic but 180 centimeters in real life, would translate intoi around 17 centimeters in forearm lengh differene. That is huge and cannot be explained by the fact that Dorian's forearm is bent away from the camera.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[phyxsius]

What about these pics of yates from 96 Mr. O. It's the same contest, but from "2 different video sources". Can someone try to explain this?

You guys are just too much. Now this thread has come down to fake pics?

The details in Dorian's shots are still the same.. Ronnie's are different and "videoshopped"

[NeoSeminole]

Suckmyasshole, give it up. You are wrong.



here's a close up of the same pic.

[NarcissisticDeity]

if you were comparing a 257 lbs Ronnie to Dorian, then you would be correct. However, you are comparing a 30 lbs heavier Ronnie. Are you really so stupid that you think his waist stayed the same size? Seriously, you will say any bullshit rather than admit you are wrong.



Jay is relevant in this discussion b/c we have direct evidence comparing Ronnie's calf size to someone else with large calves. Stop trying to weasel your way out of a losing situation by telling me not to use Jay.



bwahahahaha, you chose a horrible pic to make a point. I guess Jay suddenly grew 2" for the contest.



here's Dillet making Dorian look tiny. Now imagine what a few inches shorter, 10 lbs heavier Ronnie would do.

if you were comparing a 257 lbs Ronnie to Dorian, then you would be correct. However, you are comparing a 30 lbs heavier Ronnie. Are you really so stupid that you think his waist stayed the same size? Seriously, you will say any bullshit rather than admit you are wrong.

One look at your slanted comparison verifies I'm not wrong , Dorian' waist is much narrower than Ronnie's in your comparison and thats not reality no matter how you slice it , to use your linking style its clearly evident that Ronnie's waist is narrower than Jays who was a similar weight to Dorian , and Dorian in your comparison looks like a middleweight with a tiny waist thats not accurate not matter how much you wish it to be , you're the one behind the 8 ball because YOU have to defend your very inaccurate comaparison NOT me kid 

Jay is relevant in this discussion b/c we have direct evidence comparing Ronnie's calf size to someone else with large calves. Stop trying to weasel your way out of a losing situation by telling me not to use Jay.

Again large calves I can post pics of Ronnie's calves 2003 NOT looking so large compared to Jay , nevermind Dorian and Jay is known for his large calves in todays circles not yesterdays , in a best calves thread how many times does Jay's name come up? zero . and besides that in your slanted comparison Ronnie's calves are clearly bigger or at the least comparable thats not reality no matter how you slice it , you tried to justify your bullshit claim by ' measuring ' both calves lmfao all the while leaving out part of Ronnie's calf ( soleus ) because you claim most people would count that lmfao again most of Ronnie's weight gain in 03 was quads , abdomen , and glutes and his soft back , not his calves so go back to the drawing board

bwahahahaha, you chose a horrible pic to make a point. I guess Jay suddenly grew 2" for the contest.

No this is a more accurate comparison than your garbage and why? he's still shorter than Ronnie and he isn't being made to look like a middleweight ( which is your fantasy of how Ronnie would make Dorian look ) you bought right into all the nonsense MD spouted about Ronnie 2003 you've built him up to be like Paul Bunyan , some giant who would make a 260 pound Dorian looks petite its fantasy , your dream not reality kid

here's Dillet making Dorian look tiny. Now imagine what a few inches shorter, 10 lbs heavier Ronnie would

Wow I guess one picture proves that the IFBB judge who claimed that no one dwarfs Dorian is wrong  yes Neo the boy wonder figured it all out sitting at home on his PC , Neo apply as a judge in the IFBB apparently you know more than a person who was an eyewitness  hell you can stay at home and judge contests via the internet lmfao kid go away with your MD induced delusion

[NarcissisticDeity]

you type this as if it is true.

No one but you and two people on this thread think so.

hell, your OWN PICS prove that all this is WRONG..

 

LOL I would love to know how you think a POST TEAR dorian could possibly have an edge in MUSCLE BALANCE..LOL

See all you can do is post pictures and say " see everyone agrees Ronnie is better so there for he "  is lmfao " no one agrees with you so you must be wrong " what you're really saying is I can't intelligently argue my point so what I'll do is look for a bunch of people who agree with me and then seek comfort in numbers , because all of us can't possibly be wrong lmfao

post-tear Dorian still has the edge in muscle balance and proportion I can articulate this and I have many times over , he had one bicep shorter than the other and thats about it , Dorian himself ( as well as Priest and Bev Fancis an IFBB judge  ) specifically stated he has better balance than Ronnie , but no he's wrong too , I guess they are lumped in with the minority too , Hulkster and the ignorant zealots can't be wrong they know more than IFBB judges ( hey wait you did say that lmfao )

Ronnie has structural problems that genetics dictate they are NOT fixable , he has a short torso , long legs , his arms are to big for his torso , he has poor balance between his calves and quads , his ass is ridiculously out of proportion with the rest of his physique , his forearms are NOT proportionate with his overdeveloped biceps/triceps , his structure leaves a lot to be desired

A few quotes that don't change the facts no matter how old they are

Flex Magazine June 1996

Quote Milos Sarcev on Dorian Yates

" Dorian is.........The current Mr Olympia. I admire him a great deal. He's impressive , ripped and huge with a total package that can't be beat. he doesn't have the type of physique I'd want to emulate. "

 a total package 

Lee Priest

HOW DO YOU FEEL DORIAN WOULD FAIR AGAINST RONNIE COLEMAN NOW?

I think Dorian at his best (1993) would easily beat Ronnie. Dorian might not be as symmetrical as Ronnie, but all over he was more complete and in better condition at his best.


more complete and better condition

Shawn Ray on Ronnie's 1998 Olympia win

Ronnie Coleman was the most improved bodybuilder , and they should have an award for that but it SHOULDN'T be the overall title. Ronnie Coleman won the Mr Olympia for making the most improvement.

Ronnie does NOT have the complete physique. He has a certain degree of shape and detail but , let's be honest , he has a lot of weaknesses

Did they even count the posing routine? Ronnie Coleman is never going to be remembered for a posing routine.


lmfao no kidding he doesn't have a complete physique and he never really did learn how to pose


Here is a quote from Flex Sep 1996 on Flexs' loss to Ronnie at the Canadian Pro

Having said that , its still a surprise Wheeler lost the show : his SUPERIOR STRUCTURE and posing

Flex has a superior structure and guess what Ronnie doesn't 

Bev Francis : Bodybuilder's phsyique you most admire ?

The man Dorian Yates , his combonation of size and shape makes for an awesome physique , unlike a lot of big guys he's not a load of massive parts just thrown together , His symmetry is almost perfect , Everything is in proportion , no weak bodyparts .


This is really damaging because this if from an IFBB judge , notice the lot of big guys he's not a load of massive parts just thrown together comment ( Ronnie ) lol and his symmetry is almost perfect and EVERYTHING is in proportion

Interview with David Robson

[ Q ] What were some of your better physical qualities as a bodybuilder, do you think?

      Obviously I carried a lot of muscle mass and my trademark was to come into a show in super hard condition. I think my muscles had a certain quality and density from all the years of heavy training that a lot of guys didn't have.


      One thing that I think people underrated me on - it was never really mentioned because of my sheer physical size and condition - was my balance and proportion. Not only from muscle group to muscle group, but from upper body to lower body. My skeletal structure and everything else was there and in good balance.


Dorian just confirms what Bev Francis said ( what I've always said ) couple that with the others and Dorian specifically saying he has better balance when directly compared to Ronnie on PBW your analysis is crushes period .

See this is how its done kid , I make a claim ( Yates has the edge in balance & proportion ) I post pictures and intelligently articulate my reasons for coming to that conclusion and then I  verify my claim after the fact using firsthand accounts , etc , etc

how you do it is post slanted comparisons , you know pics of a relaxed Yates to a most muscular of Ronnie and then look for anyone who agrees with you , ignore all proof and they use the argument ad poplum to state well we all can't be wrong lol you will never be able to counter my argument on the reasons why Dorian would be able to win and thats why you've given up trying , you're a defeated man keep declaring how you're done with this thread because this thread has been done with you ever since you typed your opinion . 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie doesn't look so super human here does he? and he's not dwarfing Cutler like he is Yates in your comparison

[JediKnight]

Narcissistic Deity: are you blind , of course Ronnie is dwarfing Jay and holds more muscle than Dorian.

[Hulkster]

Narcissistic Deity: are you blind , of course Ronnie is dwarfing Jay and holds more muscle than Dorian.

he is not only blind, he is very stupid as well.

He doesn't learn anything.

just goes on posting the same old garbage despite being shown to be wrong 1000 times over..

it just goes in one ear and out the other..

[NarcissisticDeity]

Narcissistic Deity: are you blind , of course Ronnie is dwarfing Jay and holds more muscle than Dorian.

Wow another fucking idiot , NO he's NOT dwarfing Jay like he is Dorian in Neoseminole's comparison , and besides holding more muscle than Dorian's he's also holding a LOT more water & fat , learn before you type.

[JediKnight]

Deity: You need to wake up. You are WRONG. Face the facts.

[JediKnight]

Deity is the type of guy who still thinks Frank Zane should be Mr.O today.

[NarcissisticDeity]

he is not only blind, he is very stupid as well.

He doesn't learn anything.

just goes on posting the same old garbage despite being shown to be wrong 1000 times over..

it just goes in one ear and out the other..

Again prove me wrong , you've yet to prove ANYTHING I've said wrong , you just made a claim that post-tear Dorian isn't as balanced as Ronnie , I crushed that myth in moments and you glossed over the whole thread because you couldn't possibly argue to the contrary , again prove me wrong , you can't do it and you fucking know it.

now its just a pathetic attempt for you to cry to anyone who will listen and agree with you , amass the numbers find comfort in them because you'll get none from your arguments lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

Deity: You need to wake up. You are WRONG. Face the facts.

Instead of telling me I'm wrong prove that I'm wrong , I'm wrong because you say so , you fit right in with the other idiots .

[JediKnight]

I guess all the judges are wrong also.  You are a complete fool. Think boy.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I guess all the judges are wrong also.   You are a complete fool. Think boy.

what the fuck are you talking about? lmfao the judges are wrong about what?

[JediKnight]

The guy is arguing with himself. Remember, Deity is sick. We have to remember this.

Narcissistic Personality Disorder is a long-term pattern of abnormal thinking, feeling, and behavior in many different situations. The traits on this page will seem peculiar or disturbing when someone acts this way -- i.e., you will know that something is not right, and contact with narcissists may make you feel bad about yourself. It's not unusual for narcissists to be outstanding in their field of work. But these are the successful people who have a history of alienating colleagues, co-workers, employees, students, clients, and customers -- people go away mad or sad after close contact with narcissists.


here is my proof

[NarcissisticDeity]

The guy is arguing with himself. Remember, Deity is sick. We have to remember this.

Narcissistic Personality Disorder is a long-term pattern of abnormal thinking, feeling, and behavior in many different situations. The traits on this page will seem peculiar or disturbing when someone acts this way -- i.e., you will know that something is not right, and contact with narcissists may make you feel bad about yourself. It's not unusual for narcissists to be outstanding in their field of work. But these are the successful people who have a history of alienating colleagues, co-workers, employees, students, clients, and customers -- people go away mad or sad after close contact with narcissists.


here is my proof

Just when you thought you had something you have NOTHING  my screen name is as play on words describing God because I'm an atheist , Narcissistic Deity = Self Loving God , you know the one all the people pray to and worship , again come back when you have something to work with .