Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NarcissisticDeity]

no by what most people INCLUDING THE JUDGES  think wins contests.

In case you didn't notice, when ronnie was in shape, he dominated in the judges eyes.

Wow where do I begin to dismantle this junk? lets see argument ad populum , it was relatively rare Ronnie was in shape , 1998 he was most certainly in shape but in NO WAY did he dominate , 1999 he did he did look great ( despite being a tad off from 98 ) 2001 he was in shape ( at the ASC at least ) and who did Ronnie dominate ? guys that Yates beat when they were in their prime , Ronnie had a field day with a past their prime , Flex , Kevin , Dillett , Ray , and Nasser , wow  Ronnie never faced anyone of Dorian's caliber ( well he did face Dorian and we all know what happened lol ) Ronnie faced mediocre competition , he never faced a prime Yates believe me if he could just barely beat Flex in 1998 by just 3 points he would be facing a very steep uphill battle to beat Dorian .

[NarcissisticDeity]

Uh-oh I see a bit of a discrepancy between pics lol

[Hulkster]

dorian's side chest was just not at this level:

sorry.

[NarcissisticDeity]

dorian's side chest was just not at this level:

sorry.

Shawn Ray

Ronnie�s side chest leaves a lot to be desired when compared to people who can actually hit it right

Never was one of Ronnie's strong shots , very mis-matched unbalanced shot , again where is the balance & proportion ? where is the density?

[Hulkster]

check out the big roll of loose skin in this shot LOL:

[Hulkster]

Shawn Ray

Ronnie�s side chest leaves a lot to be desired when compared to people who can actually hit it right

Never was one of Ronnie's strong shots , very mis-matched unbalanced shot , again where is the balance & proportion ? where is the density?

LOL

 

its right here moron:

[NarcissisticDeity]

dorian's side chest was just not at this level:

sorry.

LMFAO not according to Ronald Dean Coleman lol 

DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.

[NarcissisticDeity]

LOL

 

its right here moron:

Ronnie's NO WHERE near as dense as Yates , his balance & proportion are NO WHERE near Yates and 99 his conditioning wasn't either , what are you left with? NOTHING

DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.

[Hulkster]

Shawn Ray

Ronnie�s side chest leaves a lot to be desired when compared to people who can actually hit it right

Never was one of Ronnie's strong shots , very mis-matched unbalanced shot , again where is the balance & proportion ? where is the density?

what the fuck does shawn ray have to do with anything in this debate?

you really have no clue what so ever about what is and is not support for an opinion..

and besides, you won't find a bigger shawn ray fan than me, but I really find it odd that he is so critical of ronnie's side chest when ronnie's blows his own out of the water...

[Hulkster]

Ronnie's NO WHERE near as dense as Yates , his balance & proportion are NO WHERE near Yates and 99 his conditioning wasn't either , what are you left with? NOTHING

DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.

ND, are you  capable of posting a single post that does NOT have an irrelevant quote in it?

this reliance on quotes and avoidence of visual proof is sad.

it shows how much you are losing.

you can't even show shots of dorian anymore because they contradict everything you say...

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie's poor side chest or should I say side-delt shot his delts dominate his pecs in this shot couple that with his distended stomach , weak calves , long arms , lack of density , balance & proportion , its not textbook and its NOT yates

[NarcissisticDeity]

what the fuck does shawn ray have to do with anything in this debate?

you really have no clue what so ever about what is and is not support for an opinion..

and besides, you won't find a bigger shawn ray fan than me, but I really find it odd that he is so critical of ronnie's side chest when ronnie's blows his own out of the water...

Okay you make a claim that Ronnie has a better side chest than Dorian , i've said all along his side chest certainly leaves a lot to be desired , later confirmed by Shawn Ray and reaffirmed by Ronnie himself these quotes are very much relevent to the discussion that Yates can't compete with Ronnie in the side chest , couple that with the photos , the quotes and the criteria you're flat out proven wrong

and P.S. Shawn's side chest is better than Ronnies 

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND, are you  capable of posting a single post that does NOT have an irrelevant quote in it?

this reliance on quotes and avoidence of visual proof is sad.

it shows how much you are losing.

you can't even show shots of dorian anymore because they contradict everything you say...

Again RELEVANT is Ronnie saying Dorian had the best side chest shot he ever seen lmfao thats about as good as it gets , and couple that with Shawn's analysis and you're once again , silenced by me 

[Hulkster]

Ronnie's poor side chest or should I say side-delt shot his delts dominate his pecs in this shot couple that with his distended stomach , weak calves , long arms , lack of density , balance & proportion , its not textbook and its NOT yates

yup.

and its not ronnie in shape either..

your just pissed because we have posted side chest shots of ronnie in shape that dorian could never match.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie was right ! 

[Hulkster]

Again RELEVANT is Ronnie saying Dorian had the best side chest shot he ever seen lmfao thats about as good as it gets , and couple that with Shawn's analysis and you're once again , silenced by me 

what don't you understand about this statement:

someone's analysis means nothing if a quick glance at reality proves it to be wrong?

answer please.

the most you post, the more you rely on opinions and avoid reality of pics and comparisons.

how ironic:

the person complaining about ad populum arguments does nothing but exactly that:

relies on nothing but other people's opinion with a clear determination to avoid visual comparisons...

ND you got owned.

you are doing the very thing that you criticize everyone else for doing..

stupid AND hypocritical...

 

[NarcissisticDeity]

yup.

and its not ronnie in shape either..

your just pissed because we have posted side chest shots of ronnie in shape that dorian could never match.

2001 ASC and he's not in shape?  and it wasn't basing it on a condition prospective just a structural and a balance and proportion one , couple that with Ronnie's quote , Shawns , my pictures , the criteria  and you can go away

[NeoSeminole]

I've got nothing? lmfao

it's amazing how you laugh at your own stupidity. You haven't made a single good argument in this thread. All you have done is post the same bullshit which has been refuted over and over. Face it kid, you have nothing except 12 yr old quotes. You don't even use pics to defend your arguments b/c you know they contradict what you say.

I'm not talking about the quads I'm talking about the scale , once again Dorian at the same weight as Ronnie has a waist that appears narrower than Ronnie and they appear to have calves that are comparable , wow ironically they both have comparable calves at 257 and 287 pounds and I have nothing   yeah sure you're right

Ronnie's waist is narrower in the comparison, and his calves are noticeably smaller. So spare me your pathetic lies. By the way, that pic of Ronnie is from the 01 ASC.

[Hulkster]

2001 ASC and he's not in shape?  and it wasn't basing it on a condition prospective just a structural and a balance and proportion one , couple that with Ronnie's quote , Shawns , my pictures , the criteria  and you can go away

all this bullshit can be refuted with one simple glance:

 

[Hulkster]

it's amazing how you laugh at your own stupidity. You haven't made a single good argument in this thread. All you have done is post the same bullshit which has been refuted over and over. Face it kid, you have nothing except 12 yr old quotes. You don't even use pics to defend your arguments b/c you know they contradict what you say.

its no use Neo.

He just doesn't get it.

he is too stupid.

its like talking to a wall. only a wall would have probably learned something by now..

[NarcissisticDeity]

what don't you understand about this statement:

someone's analysis means nothing if a quick glance at reality proves it to be wrong?

answer please.

the most you post, the more you rely on opinions and avoid reality of pics and comparisons.

how ironic:

the person complaining about ad populum arguments does nothing but exactly that:

relies on nothing but other people's opinion with a clear determination to avoid visual comparisons...

ND you got owned.

you are doing the very thing that you criticize everyone else for doing..

stupid AND hypocritical...

 

Just when you think you have something , ummmmm you have nothing ( still  ) what you're saying is an eyewitness account is useless because your opinion contradicts theirs , now who are we to side with ? the man in question who specifically states that Dorian had the best side chest he's personally see or YOU ? lol a biased ignorant fool ? Ummmmmmmmmmmm let me think this one over for a minute , hey wait couple that with the fact the way you came to your opinion is faulty ( see Yates looks 10 times better in person than pics and videos ) and Shawn's critique of this not really being a strong pose for Ronnie and my pictures of BOTH people in question , you are soundly defeated , you carry no weight

and my Arguments are most certainly NOT based on the argument ad numerum I don't say everyone agrees , I use quotes to supplement my pictures , my critique , the criteria , and I use them because I was NOT THERE LIVE & IN PERSON so therefore I take in on the authority of others who were there ( unlike you )

its all very clear cut I say Ronnie's side chest was never a great shot and I explain why , he lacks balance & proportion , density , structure , his pecs get dominated by his delts , he doesn't have a deep rib cage like Yates , I posted pics showing what I'm talking about , I then have what I said confirmed after the fact by Shawn Ray who states this isn't a great pose for Ronnie and the the nail in the coffin , Ronnie himself saying Dorian has the best side chest shot he's ever seen I mean this is complete , this is ironclad

you have nothing , still nothing , stop posting a picture and making a blanket statement lets see your complete argument to the contrary ( that was rhetorical because I know you can't ) put up or shut up , you posting a picture and then saying we're getting owned is empty , intellectually bankrupt a joke .

[NeoSeminole]

My computer screen is as flat as your arguments and I got 11 centimeters. Give it up, Sir NeoSeminole. You got owned with your own retarded logic.

bwahahahaha, where do you come up with this shit? I demonstrated with a ruler that I got 14.5 cm. The only explanation is that our monitors are set to different resolutions.

The original picture in the magazine is only slightly bigger, at around 12 centimeters. The only way to know for sure would be to have the photo negative. Now, the photo negative is usually the same size as the actual pic, so we have around 11 centimeters anyway. That is a scale of 17. Multiply it by 1 even 1 centimeter and you get 17 centimeter in forearm lengh between the two, which is way, way too much to be explained exclusively with the argument that Dorian is bending his forearms forewards.

what magazine? I got both pics in my comparison from a screen cap.

You still have other things to account for:

- The fact that you adjusted for width but not for height.

wtf are you talking about? I scaled them to be the same height even though Ronnie is 1" taller in person. This actually favors Dorian.

- The fact that you didn't adjust for depth.

I measured several anatomical landmarks to insure the accuracy of my comparison. If one person was standing much closer to the camera, it would reveal itself. For example, the bottom of the feet and knees would line up but the waist and top of the head would be off. However, we see that everything lines up perfectly. It can be assumed from the pic they are both of equal depth.

- The fact that Dorian is torqued to the side, which makes him look thiner than he actually is.

Dorian is facing the camera straight on while Ronnie is slightly turned to the side. If anything, this favors Dorian.

[NarcissisticDeity]

it's amazing how you laugh at your own stupidity. You haven't made a single good argument in this thread. All you have done is post the same bullshit which has been refuted over and over. Face it kid, you have nothing except 12 yr old quotes. You don't even use pics to defend your arguments b/c you know they contradict what you say.

Ronnie's waist is narrower in the comparison, and his calves are noticeably smaller. So spare me your pathetic lies. By the way, that pic of Ronnie is from the 01 ASC.

it's amazing how you laugh at your own stupidity. You haven't made a single good argument in this thread. All you have done is post the same bullshit which has been refuted over and over. Face it kid, you have nothing except 12 yr old quotes. You don't even use pics to defend your arguments b/c you know they contradict what you say.

I haven't made a good argument ? nonsense I've made the best one so far , one that hasn't been countered , Dorian has the edge in ( depending the year ) muscular size , conditioning ( all years ) density all years , balance & proportion ( all years ) posing & presentation ( all years ) he simple meets the criteria better than Ronnie , you haven't countered this , you can't counter this , trying as hard as you could you've made no ground

and all of my quotes for NOT 12 years old the Yates PBW is from 05 the quote from Ronnie saying he has the best back and side chest is I believe from 2003 , so you are a LIAR my friend ( how your own medicine ? ) and I've posted most critiques , more pictures and more quotes than  ALL OF YOU ( another LIE ) I've done it all

Ronnie's waist is narrower in the comparison, and his calves are noticeably smaller. So spare me your pathetic lies. By the way, that pic of Ronnie is from the 01 ASC.

lmfao get out your ruler lol no they most certainly appear comparable which is bull shit period end of sentence , stick you racist comments you're good as those , homemade comparisons you're not , kid this is my house remember to wipe your feet before you step into my house. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

its no use Neo.

I can't defend my bullshit and you shouldn't try either

we're just too stupid.

Fixed 

[NeoSeminole]

I haven't made a good argument ? nonsense I've made the best one so far , one that hasn't been countered , Dorian has the edge in ( depending the year ) muscular size , conditioning ( all years ) density all years , balance & proportion ( all years ) posing & presentation ( all years ) he simple meets the criteria better than Ronnie , you haven't countered this , you can't counter this , trying as hard as you could you've made no ground

Ronnie has the edge in (depending on the year):

- muscular size
- conditioning
- density
- balance and proportion
- definition
- taper
- aesthetics

see how easy it is to use your own argument against you? That's why your arguments suck. Be more specific and pick a year. Then we can compare.

and all of my quotes for NOT 12 years old the Yates PBW is from 05 the quote from Ronnie saying he has the best back and side chest is I believe from 2003 , so you are a LIAR my friend ( how your own medicine ? ) and I've posted most critiques , more pictures and more quotes than  ALL OF YOU ( another LIE ) I've done it all

Ronnie may have said that Dorian has the best back and side chest. However, he never said anything about losing to him. Dorian admitted that Ronnie would beat him. How does it feel to get a taste of your own medicine?

Furthermore, you are liar!!! You haven't posted more quotes (which include critiques) than me. I own you in that department. You also haven't posted more pics than any of us. Maybe you posted more shots of Dorian, but we've posted more of Ronnie. Nice try.