Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[slaveboy1980]

ronnie> dorian....at their bests.

[Shockwave]

ronnie> dorian....at their bests.

Disagreed.
Ronnie=cobbled together parts creating an impressive but less than stellar whole.

[slaveboy1980]

Disagreed.
Ronnie=cobbled together parts creating an impressive but less than stellar whole.

ronnie>dorian

nasser (at his best!) > dorian

[NarcissisticDeity]

sorry, dorian, but you just can't compete.

the sport moved on from 93.

You type this same empty statement and have yet to back it up . in what context did the sport move on? muscular size?

No Ronnie was just 244-247 pounds at 5'11" Lee Haney was 250 pounds in 1985 at 5'11" Dorian was 257 pounds at 5'10" in 1993

Conditioning? NO Dorian was just as hard and dry as Ronnie was years later

Balance & proportion? NO see collection of parts so how did the sport move on? explain this

Yates singlehandedly change the sport in 1993 there is NO mention of Ronnie ever doing the same until 2003 because he won at 287 pounds and I hate to break it to you he wasn't setting no trends Nasser El Sonbaty was 285 pounds at the same height years before .

[Andre Nickatina]

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[suckmymuscle]

  Listen to me, son. I am arguing about the previous quote from McGough. I was not even aware that he said that the other day. The quoyte where fvrom McGough that I'm arguing about is this:

  "The best physique I ever saw onstage(there was a contender for best ever that I saw offstage, namely, Dorian in those crazy black-and-white pics taken a few weeks out from the 1993 Olympia) was Ronnie at the 2001 ASC..."

  What McGough is saying is that he never saw a physique onstage that was as good as Ronnie's 2001 ASC, but that he saw one offstage which was, which was Dorian's in those black-and-white pics taken by Kevin Horton in 1993. Learn to read, dumbass.

  And what McGough said the other day in the radio interview does not change what he said previously. He probably didn't mention Dorian's physique in those black-and-white pics because he was talking about physiques he saw onstage. How exactly does McGough's statement in that radio interview invalidate what he said previously? If Dorian had stepped onstage in the way he looked in those black-and-white pics, McGough would say it was the best physique ever.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

 

  Hey, Icemen, you dumass, read and learn.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Hulkster]

You type this same empty statement and have yet to back it up . in what context did the sport move on? muscular size?

No Ronnie was just 244-247 pounds at 5'11" Lee Haney was 250 pounds in 1985 at 5'11" Dorian was 257 pounds at 5'10" in 1993

Conditioning? NO Dorian was just as hard and dry as Ronnie was years later

Balance & proportion? NO see collection of parts so how did the sport move on? explain this

Yates singlehandedly change the sport in 1993 there is NO mention of Ronnie ever doing the same until 2003 because he won at 287 pounds and I hate to break it to you he wasn't setting no trends Nasser El Sonbaty was 285 pounds at the same height years before .

the combo of size, conditioning, balance and proportion you dumbass.

1400 pages and you STILL do not understand how physiques are judged.

traits are not looked upon in isolation.

they are looked at all at once as a package.

you moron.

its amazing human beings can be this hard headed. How many times has this been explained to you and you STILL do not get it?

 

[Hulkster]

And Ronnie 99 is not Ronnie 2007 YOU fucking moron....

true. just like 93 dorian was not 1994 dorian..
.

[NarcissisticDeity]

true. just like 93 dorian was not 1994 dorian..
.

Third pic down #6 is from 1995 !

[Hulkster]

it is? wow thats even more sad.

[Master Blaster]

[NarcissisticDeity]

the combo of size, conditioning, balance and proportion you dumbass.

1400 pages and you STILL do not understand how physiques are judged.

traits are not looked upon in isolation.

they are looked at all at once as a package.

you moron.

its amazing human beings can be this hard headed. How many times has this been explained to you and you STILL do not get it?

 

I mean this is a massively moronic post I mean where should I begin? lets start with your claim the sport moved on since Dorian which is again bullshit and why?

the combo of size, conditioning, balance and proportion you dumbass.

LMFAO again you idiot when? 1999? Dorian was 260 pounds in 1995 with better conditioning & density and better balance & proportion than Ronnie , 2001? Ronnie's balance & proportion is NOT as good as Yates any year so like the rest of your claims this is empty

1400 pages and you STILL do not understand how physiques are judged.

traits are not looked upon in isolation.

they are looked at all at once as a package.

you moron.

Oh boy lol this coming from the MOST ignorant person who ever typed on the subject , you didn't know what the criteria was until I posted it  you thought the judges were paid for judging  you think Ronnie has better balance & proportion  you thought Dorian wasn't compared to anyone in 1993 until I proved you wrong ( no duh ) you still do NOT know how contests are judged even though I tell you and now you're resorted to TRYING to act like you know what you're talking about lol one only needs to back track on why you think Ronnie would beat Dorian , remember this great logic? Ronnie would win because of his better x-frame and better taper lol and thats all you would commit to because thats all you thought the judges looked for

Now you're reduced to using MY arguments which is a pathetic sign of ignorance and defeat

traits are not looked upon in isolation.

they are looked at all at once as a package.

best line and it sounds a LOT like me  now you're trying to be like me because its been ME who's been educating your ignorant ass for 1400 pages and NO SHIT they don't look at any trait in isolation ( coming from the moron who's been proclaiming how much better Ronnie's parts are for 1400 pages ) I've been saying since day 1 Dorian's meets the criteria better , he's more complete ! and now you're reduced to trying to use my logic how can Ronnie be looked at as the whole package when he has NO calves  when his balance & proportion suck .

Hulkster you're a sad defeated little man who's been reduced to plagiarizing MY argument because you don't have one of your own because you're fucking stupid , do yourself a favor and stop posting its sad.

[NarcissisticDeity]

it is? wow thats even more sad.

No whats sad is your pathetic attempt to try and use my arguments against me , because you're to stupid to form your own .
 

you're a fucking joke.

[Hulkster]

No whats sad is your pathetic attempt to try and use my arguments against me , because you're to stupid to form your own .
 

you're a fucking joke.

and its working quite well.

you can't even post pics anymore because dorian gets owned.

you can't even post quotes anymore because there are just as many valid ones for Ronnie.

you have nothing.

deal with it.

[Shockwave]

you're a fucking joke.

Sums is up quite nicely.

[NarcissisticDeity]

and its working quite well.

you can't even post pics anymore because dorian gets owned.

you can't even post quotes anymore because there are just as many valid ones for Ronnie.

you have nothing.

deal with it.

LMFAO nice attempt at running  I have posted pics and quotes and I was the first to do so and I posted NON-SUBJECTIVE quotes to back up my claims which you haven't you've just denied the ones that shut you down ! again moron where are the quotes specifically stating Ronnie has better balance & proportion than Dorian??? I'm waiting I've found them why can't you? because his balance & proportion are shit compared to Yates you don't know the criteria , you don't know competitive bodybuilding you don't know much .


This is what I have

Dorian carries more muscular bulk than Ronnie 1999 - Dorian 260 pounds Ronnie 257 pounds now you say 3 pounds big deal and I say you're right but however there is a BIG difference between 260 pounds with density and 257 pounds without

Dorian has better density than Ronnie 1999 and better conditioning proof ?

Quote Peter McGough Flex Magazine Jan 2001

RONNIE COLEMAN : ( 264lbs As big as a house , but holding water. In '98 , he was shredded and bone dry at 250 pounds. Last year ( 1999 ) he was 257 pounds but NOT as sharp as '98. This year ( 2000 ) at 264 pounds , he's not as sharp as 99 , which would seem to say that Ronnie is better at a lighter weight .

And Ronnie when asked on PBW what was his best Olympia Ronnie Coleman himself said 1998 and he added specifically because his conditioning was SPOT ON i.e. the best it could get ...better than 1999 get it?

Dorian has better balance & proportion than Ronnie ANY year period end of sentence my proof -

Lee Priest

HOW DO YOU FEEL DORIAN WOULD FAIR AGAINST RONNIE COLEMAN NOW?

I think Dorian at his best (1993) would easily beat Ronnie. Dorian might not be as symmetrical as Ronnie, but all over he was more complete and in better condition at his best.

Lee Priest stating the obvious , Yates has better conditioning and he's more complete

Dorian on PBW when asked about Ronnie

I would have better balance & conditioning than Ronnie

Dorian is a better poser and has better presentation than Ronnie - this isn't in dispute

The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized
as these comparisons will help the judge to decide
which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition.

Wow looks like Yates has the criteria more covered than Ronnie , so what is Hulkster left with? excuses  I've proven my case a FUCK OF A LOT better than you , kid keep trying to be like me thats all you can do.

[Iceman1981]

  Hey, Icemen, you dumass, read and learn.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

We've all read that quote and knew what Peter said from day one. The only one debating what Peter "meant" is you.

You still on this shyt Mr. Incompetent? Why try to explain what "you think" Peter said. Just look around, you're the only yates guy arguing on what Peter "meant", LOL, give it up.

[Iceman1981]

it is? wow thats even more sad.

LOL

[Iceman1981]

and its working quite well.

you can't even post pics anymore because dorian gets owned.

you can't even post quotes anymore because there are just as many and more valid ones for Ronnie.

you have nothing.

deal with it.

[PANDAEMONIUM]

fgsdfgsdfggsdfgsdfg

[Iceman1981]

The best-ever Mr. O?
Flex,  Sept, 2005  by Peter McGough

"Instead of choosing a best-ever Mr. Olympia, maybe all one can do is reflect on 40 years of Olympia history and highlight those instances where the winner advanced the sport on that particular day. With that in mind, I would nominate the following.

Dorian Yates | 1993

When he first walked out onstage, someone cried, "You're a dinosaur, Yates" (it was a compliment). Given his stunning superiority, the judges saw no need to include him in a muscularity comparison, so Wayne DeMilia called out Yates, Flex Wheeler and Shawn Ray just for the audience. The Shadow was so far ahead of the field that Samir Bannout was prompted to say, "Yates was first, second and third."

Ronnie Coleman | 1999

In his first defense of the Mr. O title, Coleman exhibited size, condition and sinew-splitting fullness he lacked a year earlier. At 257 pounds, he was so separated that he looked like a walking anatomy chart. That being said, I still think he achieved his best-ever physique for the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic."

I guess Peter knows when the sport has been advanced when he sees it.

[PANDAEMONIUM]

What do you guys think about Dorian Yates?

[PANDAEMONIUM]

x

[haider]

What do you guys think about Dorian Yates?

How is this question related to this thread?

[NarcissisticDeity]

The best-ever Mr. O?
Flex,  Sept, 2005  by Peter McGough

"Instead of choosing a best-ever Mr. Olympia, maybe all one can do is reflect on 40 years of Olympia history and highlight those instances where the winner advanced the sport on that particular day. With that in mind, I would nominate the following.

Dorian Yates | 1993

When he first walked out onstage, someone cried, "You're a dinosaur, Yates" (it was a compliment). Given his stunning superiority, the judges saw no need to include him in a muscularity comparison, so Wayne DeMilia called out Yates, Flex Wheeler and Shawn Ray just for the audience. The Shadow was so far ahead of the field that Samir Bannout was prompted to say, "Yates was first, second and third."

Ronnie Coleman | 1999

In his first defense of the Mr. O title, Coleman exhibited size, condition and sinew-splitting fullness he lacked a year earlier. At 257 pounds, he was so separated that he looked like a walking anatomy chart. That being said, I still think he achieved his best-ever physique for the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic."

I guess Peter knows when the sport has been advanced when he sees it.

On July 4, I found myself in conversation with Lou Ferrigno. No, we weren't talking about Paul Revere and Mad King George; instead, with the 2005 Olympia Weekend looming like a Ronnie Coleman lat spread, the Hulk wanted to know who I thought was the best-ever Mr. Olympia. My response was that it was impossible to choose. All any athlete--in any sport--can do is become the best in his era, and it is futile to try to compare champions from different eras.

missed something didn't you? 

and again how was the sport advanced from Yates? Dorian was a harder 257 pounds with better balance & proportion 3 years earlier both Peter and Ronnie admit his conditioning was off from 1998 .