because I can back mine words up thats how and oh boy I'm an ' internet nobody ' lmfao and I guess all of you are not?
wrong, you haven't backed up your words. Give me a reasonable explanation why conditioning is synonymous with definition but not density, or explain how Dorian had better balance when it's impossible to tell without weighing both halves of the body. Oh right, you can't. All you do is try to pass off your opinion as fact. And nobody here claimed to be a 'somebody.' My point is that your words carry no more weight than any one else's here. So stop acting so damn arrogant and dismissing everyone else who disagrees with you. It only makes you look more foolish.
conditioning is synonymous with definition , and density while related to conditioning is judged as a separate entity which isn't according to me , it's according to the IFBB judging criteria it was posted as you were corrected as usual . and NO Ronnie's clear advantage in definition is in your imagination and I will continue to say Dorian is the better conditioned of the two because I backed up my claim , unlike you.
actually, the IFBB criteria supports what I've been saying. I don't expect you to understand this given your exceptionally poor reading comprehension. Honestly, you are so wrong here it's not even funny. But let's entertain your nonsense. If conditioning is synonymous with definition but not density, then Ronnie's advantage in definition negates Dorian's advantage in density. So neither man has the edge in conditioning.
but I have proven my point Dorian is the better conditioned athlete and on the sunject of balance I will continue to say Dorian is better balanced thats painfully obvious to anyone who knows a lick out professional bodybuilding and guess what Neo? Dorian has stated he's has better balance than Ronnie Coleman and he would know because he an IFBB judge , he's unlike us just an ' internet nobody ' lol
show me this quote along with the source where Dorian says he has better balance than Ronnie. I have a feeling he probably used the term "balanced development" instead, which can mean better proportion among other things.
while Ronnie does have an advantage in PART of symmetry Dorian has a clear advantage in the other , Ronnie does have smaller joints and hips & waist but you're also forgetting torso length , having long legs & arms in relation to the torso all part of symmetry NOT just having a small waist & hips and just to remind you that all rounds are physique rounds including the symmetry round so any advantage in part of the criteria Ronnie has becomes moot when he lags behind in density & conditioning and balance & proportion , and depending on the year muscular bulk that's how the game is played kid
sorry kiddo, but Ronnie meets the criteria for symmetry better than Dorian. Here are 2 quotes explaining what symmetry is.
Dorian Yates - Flex, October 2006"Symmetry means one side is shaped the same as the other side--its mirror image."
Lee Hayward - http://www.leehayward.com/bodybuilding_terms.htm"Symmetry - If you have good symmetry, you will have relatively wide shoulders, flaring lats, a small waist-hip structure, and generally small joints."
using the above criteria, tell me how Dorian has better symmetry without sounding like an idiot.
That does leave Ronnie's one big advantage muscular bulk , but to quote McGough Dorian at 269 pounds would make Ronnie look soft and thats true Ronnie's conditioning in 2003 is NOT his best not by a country mile he has very good conditioning for a man that size but still leaps & bounds behind 2001 & 1998 and we've already established he was NEVER as hard or as dry as Dorian so what good is the extra weight? sure he looks impressive but that was standing next to Dexter Jackson and Jay Cutler lol he's never faced anyone of Dorian Yates caliber , Dorian has 90% of Ronnie size , better balance & proportion , he's better conditioned and is harder , oh he's also more complete and he's a better poser and you think having a small waist & hips and smaller joints and an extra soft 18 pounds is going to compensate for it? I don't think so , now lets address all these dumb quotes ....again
Shawn Ray 2003 Year in Review (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)"Ronnie added about a million pounds of muscle from the previous year and squashed the competition on sheer MASS! Unbelievable is what Ronnie was this night!"
Team Flex Flexonline.com, November 2004Its difficult to imagine anyone surpassing Big Rons level of mass in this, or any, lifetime.
Mike Matarazzo - Flex, January 2004"Ronnie had so much dense muscle that it looked as though his skin could no longer hold it and he'd explode. His quads were so full and dense, they don't look real."
IFBB Official Kenny Kassel - Flex, Janurary 2004"Ronnie has managed to develop muscles that haven't been identified yet."
so there you have it, Ronnie in 03 carried so much muscle that it prompted Team Flex to comment how difficult it is to imagine anyone surpassing his level of mass and an IFBB official to mention Ronnie developed what appeared to be muscle on top of muscle.
When all things are considered Dorian simply meets the criteria better than Ronnie ( old news ) at 269 pounds he's harder & drier , he has much better balance & proportion , he has NOT weak bodyparts , he's more complete and a better poser , he would beat Ronnie and his extra size advantage.
Ronnie at his best was so good that industry experts believe he could have presented several different versions and still have beaten Dorian. Funny how there's only one version of Dorian they feel would be a contender - his 93 pre-contest package.
Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005"Ronnie sporting that [01 ASC] look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
Shawn Perine - Flex, July 2007 p. 207"After all, he's still, even at 43 yrs old, eight-time Mr. O Ronnie freakin' Coleman. Which is to say, arguably the best bodybuilder who has ever lived."
Greg Merritt - Flex, July 2007 p. 212"Coleman is only two years older than the new Mr. O (hypothetical article saying if Toney Freeman won), but time stops for no man, including the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
Jean Pierre Fux - Personal Website"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."
Mike Matarazzo Flex, January 1999I think this creature from another planet, Ronnie Coleman, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten Dorian Yates. Ronnie has every single attribute it takes to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived.
