Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NarcissisticDeity]

oh yes, you "owned" Hulkster.

unless the bolded part is a typo, the author is saying Dorian didn't deserve the Sandow.

take a wild guess !

[NarcissisticDeity]

doesn't matter. Ronnie would dwarf Dorian on stage.

It doesn't matter to you and the only way Ronnie would ' dwarf ' Yates is in your fan-boy comparisons , Yates at 269 pounds would make Ronnie 2003 look like a bunch of of soft parts just thrown together.

[England_1]

doesn't matter. Ronnie would dwarf Dorian on stage.

Last time I checked Flex beat BBs that weighed up to 50lbs more than him b/c he was in better shape and had a more detailed back than his peers just like Yates does over Coleman 

[pumpster]

It doesn't matter to you and the only way Ronnie would ' dwarf ' Yates is in your fan-boy comparisons , Yates at 269 pounds would make Ronnie 2003 look like a bunch of of soft parts just thrown together.

Except that here's Yates dwarfed by Coleman even with Coleman at a lighter bodyweight LOL you are delusional.

[m8]

Except that here's Coleman dwarfting Yates even at a lighter bodyweight LOL

what was his placing that year, again? ridiculous.
he was dwarfing everyone already...

[pumpster]

what was his placing that year, again? ridiculous.

Contest placings wasn't the issue easy reader, it was about dwarfing Yates, which Coleman's doing even at a lower weight.

You're completely naive if you rely on contest placings and the IFBB to tell you who's better. If you're that guillible PM me, i have a bridge to sell you.

[NeoSeminole]

It doesn't matter to you and the only way Ronnie would ' dwarf ' Yates is in your fan-boy comparisons , Yates at 269 pounds would make Ronnie 2003 look like a bunch of of soft parts just thrown together.

no, it doesn't matter... period. Dorian's back may look harder in that comparison but he looks softer everywhere else. The difference in size would more than make up for the difference in overall conditioning.

[NeoSeminole]

Last time I checked Flex beat BBs that weighed up to 50lbs more than him b/c he was in better shape and had a more detailed back than his peers just like Yates does over Coleman

last time I checked, Lee Haney wasn't as conditioned but had more size and better shape, and beat Dorian Yates.

[England_1]

last time I checked, Lee Haney wasn't as conditioned but had more size and better shape, and beat Dorian Yates.

Actually, if you check, Dorian beat Lee in the muscularity round, something that never happened to Lee before.

As far as condition, I think Lee and Dorian were on par in 91. Dorian's back was more ripped but Lee's legs were more sliced.

[NeoSeminole]

Actually, if you check, Dorian beat Lee in the muscularity round, something that never happened to Lee before.

I knew that Dorian beat Lee Haney in the muscularity round. However, Lee still had more size and better shape - 2 advantages that Ronnie also has over Dorian. So back definition isn't everything like you were insinuating with your comment about Flex beating heavier bodybuilders.

As far as condition, I think Lee and Dorian were on par in 91. Dorian's back was more ripped but Lee's legs were more sliced.

are you using separations and striations to guage conditioning?

[m8]

Contest placings wasn't the issue easy reader, it was about dwarfing Yates, which Coleman's doing even at a lower weight.

You're completely naive if you rely on contest placings and the IFBB to tell you who's better. If you're that guillible PM me, i have a bridge to sell you.

you didn't understand me either, "easy reader", i said that he should have placed 1st that year, same for 1997.

[England_1]

I knew that Dorian beat Lee Haney in the muscularity round. However, Lee still had more size and better shape - 2 advantages that Ronnie also has over Dorian. So back definition isn't everything like you were insinuating with your comment about Flex beating heavier bodybuilders.

are you using separations and striations to guage conditioning?

To be honest, I haven't greatly analyzed 1991. I simply looked at the muscletime pictures. From those, it looks to me like Yates should have won. Haney's legs, although sliced, were SMALL! Plus, if Dorian defeated Haney in muscularity despite a 12lbs disadvantage, what does that tell you about Dorian's condition? However, unlike Hulkster, I won't go around making claims that Yates was robbed because according to those at the show (i.e. Delta) Haney was the clear winner.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Except that here's Yates dwarfed by Coleman even with Coleman at a lighter bodyweight LOL you are delusional.

Same contest and Yates was depleted to boot  dwarfed my ass

[NarcissisticDeity]

no, it doesn't matter... period. Dorian's back may look harder in that comparison but he looks softer everywhere else. The difference in size would more than make up for the difference in overall conditioning.

Again spoken like a true fan-boy 2003 is a joke its not considered his best showing by anyone who knows anything about bodybuilding for a reason , it appeals to fan-boys like you who think there is size and forget everything else , Yates is harder & drier and he has better balance & proportion and he's a better poser , its right up your delusional alley to think 18 soft pounds could ever compensate for such a deficit .

[NeoSeminole]

Again spoken like a true fan-boy 2003 is a joke its not considered his best showing by anyone who knows anything about bodybuilding for a reason

Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004

"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."

Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004

"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."

Steve Blechman - MD, Febrary 2004

"Ronnie perseveres and proves continually that, at his best, he is unbeatable."

Dexter Jackson - Flex, January 2004

"As to Ronnie, that dude is by far the best bodybuilder on earth, he is in a class by himself, and no one will be able to touch him for years to come."

John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website

"It would be safe to say that [Ronnie Coleman] presented a physique that has never been seen by the bodybuilding world ever before. Competing at an incredibly massive 287 pounds, Ronnie destroyed the competition with a physique that could not possibly be equaled."

Ryan Mackie - A Fan Perspective: My 2003 Olympia Experience (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)

"Everyone could see that at 287 pounds this was Ronnie's night and that he was back on top of his game and furthermore bodybuilding had just seen the bar of excellence raised even further. Just like Dorian Yates did in 1993 when he set a new standard, Ronnie has now taken it even further leaving all his competitors wonder what they have to do to now catch Ronnie Coleman, let alone beat him."

it appeals to fan-boys like you who think there is size and forget everything else , Yates is harder & drier and he has better balance & proportion and he's a better poser , its right up your delusional alley to think 18 soft pounds could ever compensate for such a deficit.

when have I ever said 03 Ronnie would win solely based on size? I've always maitained that Ronnie's combination of muscular bulk, conditioning, symmetry, shape, and fullness would overwhelm Dorian.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004

"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."

Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004

"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."

Steve Blechman - MD, Febrary 2004

"Ronnie perseveres and proves continually that, at his best, he is unbeatable."

Dexter Jackson - Flex, January 2004

"As to Ronnie, that dude is by far the best bodybuilder on earth, he is in a class by himself, and no one will be able to touch him for years to come."

John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website

"It would be safe to say that [Ronnie Coleman] presented a physique that has never been seen by the bodybuilding world ever before. Competing at an incredibly massive 287 pounds, Ronnie destroyed the competition with a physique that could not possibly be equaled."

Ryan Mackie - A Fan Perspective: My 2003 Olympia Experience (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)

"Everyone could see that at 287 pounds this was Ronnie's night and that he was back on top of his game and furthermore bodybuilding had just seen the bar of excellence raised even further. Just like Dorian Yates did in 1993 when he set a new standard, Ronnie has now taken it even further leaving all his competitors wonder what they have to do to now catch Ronnie Coleman, let alone beat him."

when have I ever said 03 Ronnie would win solely based on size? I've always maitained that Ronnie's combination of muscular bulk, conditioning, symmetry, shape, and fullness would overwhelm Dorian.

Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004

"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."

No where does this quote state 2003 is his best overall showing NO WHERE

Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004

"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."

No where does this quote state 2003 is his best overall showing NO WHERE

Steve Blechman - MD, Febrary 2004

"Ronnie perseveres and proves continually that, at his best, he is unbeatable."

No where does this quote state 2003 is his best overall showing NO WHERE

Dexter Jackson - Flex, January 2004

"As to Ronnie, that dude is by far the best bodybuilder on earth, he is in a class by himself, and no one will be able to touch him for years to come."

No where does this quote state 2003 is his best overall showing NO WHERE

John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website

"It would be safe to say that [Ronnie Coleman] presented a physique that has never been seen by the bodybuilding world ever before. Competing at an incredibly massive 287 pounds, Ronnie destroyed the competition with a physique that could not possibly be equaled."

No where does this quote state 2003 is his best overall showing NO WHERE

Ryan Mackie - A Fan Perspective: My 2003 Olympia Experience (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)

"Everyone could see that at 287 pounds this was Ronnie's night and that he was back on top of his game and furthermore bodybuilding had just seen the bar of excellence raised even further. Just like Dorian Yates did in 1993 when he set a new standard, Ronnie has now taken it even further leaving all his competitors wonder what they have to do to now catch Ronnie Coleman, let alone beat him."

No where does this quote state 2003 is his best overall showing NO WHERE

you keep posting these as if it proves anything , they don't. most are in reference of his competition and not one of them hails this as his best showing ever

when have I ever said 03 Ronnie would win solely based on size? I've always maitained that Ronnie's combination of muscular bulk, conditioning, symmetry, shape, and fullness would overwhelm Dorian.

Thats the ONLY advantage he enjoys of Dorian kid is size and redundant size to boot. his ' symmetry ' is at among its all time worse and not just in the context you think of symmetry , so is his conditioning , so is his density , so is his balance & proportion and no one ever ' overwhelmed ' Dorian Yates not even Lee Haney and Dorian was just 239 pounds and beat Lee Haney at his best ever showing in the muscularity round , like your comparisons your fan-boy delusion is typing for you , again Ronnie had free reign with a 225 pound Dexter Jackson and a flat Jay Cutler but he never faced anyone of Yates' caliber

[pumpster]

i said that he should have placed 1st that year, same for 1997.

In that case continue pummelling ND LOL

[pumpster]

Again spoken like a true fan-boy 2003 is a joke its not considered his best showing by anyone who knows anything about bodybuilding for a reason , it appeals to fan-boys like you who think there is size and forget everything else , Yates is harder & drier and he has better balance & proportion and he's a better poser , its right up your delusional alley to think 18 soft pounds could ever compensate for such a deficit .

Keep in mind that this genius ("infantile" was gh15's description) cannot explain Columbu over Padilla, because he's never been savvy enough to acknowledge rife politics in IFBB shows-see the Oliva PBW threads for more on same including Oliva's forced no-show at the 1971 Olympia for those who prefer awareness over naivete LOL

[NarcissisticDeity]

Keep in mind that this genius ("infantile" was gh15's description) cannot explain Columbu over Padilla, because he's never been savvy enough to acknowledge rife politics in IFBB shows-see the Oliva PBW threads for more on same including Oliva's forced no-show at the 1971 Olympia for those who prefer awareness over naivete LOL

LOL and you cannot explain Ronnie's block of wins in 2001/2002  I don't have to explain anyones wins again you're stuck chasing your tail in circles you commit to this theory of politics yet Coleman somehow manages to escape them despite two years of controversial contest placings , do I personally think 01/02 were fixed? NO do I think being the incumbent Mr Olympia helps to a small degree sure , but spare me your bull shit until you can explain Colemans wins .

[NeoSeminole]

apparently, ND cannot read. So I will break down what the quotes mean for him.

No where does this quote state 2003 is his best overall showing NO WHERE

Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004

"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."

Flex was reflecting on the 03 Mr. Olympia. Notice the comment was printed in the February 04 issue (Jan. and Feb. are when bodybuilding mags feature an Mr. Oympia review). He also refers to Ronnie as the biggest and greatest Mr. Olympia in history. If he was talking about 98 or the 01 ASC, then he wouldn't have been the biggest since he was lighter than Dorian.

No where does this quote state 2003 is his best overall showing NO WHERE

Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004

"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."

Paul Dillet was commenting on how 03 Ronnie raised the bar of excellence. Notice he says "if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I don't think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set" followed later by "No one will match Sergio or Flex and now Ronnie." The parts where he says "tomorrow" and "now" lets us know Paul is referring to Ronnie's most recent showing.

No where does this quote state 2003 is his best overall showing NO WHERE

Steve Blechman - MD, Febrary 2004

"Ronnie perseveres and proves continually that, at his best, he is unbeatable."

Steve is reflecting on the latest Mr. Olympia. Notice the quote was printed in the Feb. 04 issue.

No where does this quote state 2003 is his best overall showing NO WHERE

same reason as above.

No where does this quote state 2003 is his best overall showing NO WHERE

John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website

"It would be safe to say that [Ronnie Coleman] presented a physique that has never been seen by the bodybuilding world ever before. Competing at an incredibly massive 287 pounds, Ronnie destroyed the competition with a physique that could not possibly be equaled."

when someone says "with a physique that could not possibly be equaled," it means that is the best physique to ever compete up until that moment in time and the foreseeable future.

No where does this quote state 2003 is his best overall showing NO WHERE

Ryan Mackie - A Fan Perspective: My 2003 Olympia Experience (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)

"Everyone could see that at 287 pounds this was Ronnie's night and that he was back on top of his game and furthermore bodybuilding had just seen the bar of excellence raised even further. Just like Dorian Yates did in 1993 when he set a new standard, Ronnie has now taken it even further leaving all his competitors wonder what they have to do to now catch Ronnie Coleman, let alone beat him."

the guy is saying Ronnie's physique in 03 surpassed Dorian's best and set a new standard in bodybuilding. I don't know anyone who considers any of his later versions better. So it stands to reason that his 03 package represents his prime.

[England_1]

Neo, why is it that you hold that fan's opinion in high regard yet disregard first hand opinions that have been posted in this thread? 2 examples come to mind. The poster who was at the 93O and 01ASC and said Yates would win. Then the guy who was at just about every olympia between 93 and 99 and said Yates was better?

[NarcissisticDeity]

apparently, ND cannot read. So I will break down what the quotes mean for him.

Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004

"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."

Flex was reflecting on the 03 Mr. Olympia. Notice the comment was printed in the February 04 issue (Jan. and Feb. are when bodybuilding mags feature an Mr. Oympia review). He also refers to Ronnie as the biggest and greatest Mr. Olympia in history. If he was talking about 98 or the 01 ASC, then he wouldn't have been the biggest since he was lighter than Dorian.

Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004

"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."

Paul Dillet was commenting on how 03 Ronnie raised the bar of excellence. Notice he says "if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I don't think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set" followed later by "No one will match Sergio or Flex and now Ronnie." The part where he says "now" tells us Paul is referring to Ronnie's most recent showing.

Steve Blechman - MD, Febrary 2004

"Ronnie perseveres and proves continually that, at his best, he is unbeatable."

Steve is reflecting on the latest Mr. Olympia. Notice the quote was printed in the Feb. 04 issue.

same reason as above.

John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website

"It would be safe to say that [Ronnie Coleman] presented a physique that has never been seen by the bodybuilding world ever before. Competing at an incredibly massive 287 pounds, Ronnie destroyed the competition with a physique that could not possibly be equaled."

when someone says "with a physique that could not possibly be equaled," it means that is the best physique to ever compete up until that moment in time.

Ryan Mackie - A Fan Perspective: My 2003 Olympia Experience (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)

"Everyone could see that at 287 pounds this was Ronnie's night and that he was back on top of his game and furthermore bodybuilding had just seen the bar of excellence raised even further. Just like Dorian Yates did in 1993 when he set a new standard, Ronnie has now taken it even further leaving all his competitors wonder what they have to do to now catch Ronnie Coleman, let alone beat him."

the guy is saying Ronnie's physique in 03 surpassed Dorian's best and set a new standard in bodybuilding. I don't know anyone who considers any of his later version better. So it stands to reason that his 03 package represents his prime.

Flex was reflecting on the 03 Mr. Olympia. Notice the comment was printed in the February 04 issue (Jan. and Feb. are when bodybuilding mags feature an Mr. Oympia review). He also refers to Ronnie as the biggest and greatest Mr. Olympia in history. If he was talking about 98 or the 01 ASC, then he wouldn't have been the biggest since he was lighter than Dorian.

I know when the quotes were ( you've been corrected on these many times before ) who is arguing he wasn't the biggest and greatest Mr Olympia? who? again NO WHERE does it state it was his best overall showing its not for a host of reasons

Paul Dillet was commenting on how 03 Ronnie raised the bar of excellence. Notice he says "if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I don't think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set" followed later by "No one will match Sergio or Flex and now Ronnie." The part where he says "now" tells us Paul is referring to Ronnie's most recent showing.

He did raise the bar in 03 for SIZE and good conditioning again I love your fan-boy interpretations on what people are thinking , again where does he say this is his best showing ever? NO WHERE

Steve is reflecting on the latest Mr. Olympia. Notice the quote was printed in the Feb. 04 issue.

Again you idiot where does it say 2003 was his best showing ever? it does not , he's commenting that Ronnie at his best ( not his personal best ) is unbeatable because why? in 2001/2002 he was NOT at his best and he was almost beat and when Ronnie is on he was unbeatable ( compared to the crop he was facing )

when someone says "with a physique that could not possibly be equaled," it means that is the best physique to ever compete up until that moment in time.

lmfao you're such a little fan-boy did you miss this part? Ronnie destroyed the competition with a physique that could not possibly be equaled."
it was relative to his competition NOT to previous shows or history

the guy is saying Ronnie's physique in 03 surpassed Dorian's best and set a new standard in bodybuilding. I don't know anyone who considers any of his later version better. So it stands to reason that his 03 package represents his prime.

Who is arguing Ronnie didn't set a new standard? who ? he did it doesn't change the fact he looked like shit compared to his previous showings and NO it doesn't stand to reason 03 is his prime , his prime would include a lot more than a lot of good conditioned size , it would include the overall package you think he's complete in 03 and for what ever ' flaws ' that size can compensate for , which isn't true ! Ronnie's balance & proportioned in 03 all-time worse , conditioning way behind 98/03 in terms of density and dryness


Again NO WHERE does any of those quotes say 2003 is his best showing ever because its NOT

Flex Magazine August 2003

Jim Schmatltz on Ronnie chances of winning six Olympias in a row

if he repeats his 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic form, he'll experience the joy of six.

2001 used as reference as his high water mark , granted its before the 2003 Olympia but the point still stands

Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004

As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable. Except by Dorian Yates 6 weeks out from the '93 O as photographed by our own KMH. Both men, on those specific occasions carried so much dry muscle mass in good proportion and with good lines that it's almost unfair to compare them to others.

1998 & 2001 and thats post 03 Olympia


While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.

On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.


hey 01 again

Quote Peter McGough Flex Magazine Jan 2001

RONNIE COLEMAN : ( 264lbs As big as a house , but holding water. In '98 , he was shredded and bone dry at 250 pounds. Last year ( 1999 ) he was 257 pounds but NOT as sharp as '98. This year ( 2000 ) at 264 pounds , he's not as sharp as 99 , which would seem to say that Ronnie is better at a lighter weight .

1998 because his conditioning was sharper

Peter McGough Flex Magazine August 2005

Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage (there was a contender for best-ever that I saw offstage: those crazy photos of sock-footed Dorian Yates taken seven weeks before the 1993 Mr. Olympia) was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 244 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable and would make any criticisms as redundant as a chocolate squat rack.

hey 2001

Only fan-boys think 2003 was Ronnie's best overall showing when in fact the man in question when posed this very question did NOT choose 2003 in fact it was 1998 and why? because to quote him his conditioning was ' spot-on '

[NarcissisticDeity]

Neo, why is it that you hold that fan's opinion in high regard yet disregard first hand opinions that have been posted in this thread? 2 examples come to mind. The poster who was at the 93O and 01ASC and said Yates would win. Then the guy who was at just about every olympia between 93 and 99 and said Yates was better?

The best part is he's very quick to dismiss Ronnie Coleman , dismissing his as ' not that bright ' lol he's smarter than Ronnie because he's a ' certified personal trainer ' lol

[NeoSeminole]

ND has no clue how to read. I don't know how he was allowed to graduate elementary school, let alone high school.

[pumpster]

ND has no clue how to read. I don't know how he was allowed to graduate elementary school, let alone high school.

Any confirmation on elementary school graduation?