Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[England_1]

Owned my ass.....Coleman's turnips look like logs of shit here. Plus his chest is completely overwhelmed.

[IceCold]

Thank god he couldn't match mediocrity.

why is it that you flame us for posting pics of ronnie that arent in his prime, but that's all you do of yates.

[Hulkster]

why is it that you flame us for posting pics of ronnie that arent in his prime, but that's all you do of yates.

 

92 was one of dorian's best years.

92 and 93 were his pre-tear glory days.

[NeoSeminole]

Chest is non-existant there. Plus, soggy conditioning. Dorian kills him on muscularity and density.

bullsheet. Ronnie's chest is every bit as thick as Dorian's in those pics. The reason it may look "non-existent" to you is b/c his delts are more forward making his pecs look shallow. As for density, what criteria are you using? Dorian looks soft and bloated to me with his lack of separations and striations.

[IceCold]

92 was one of dorian's best years.

92 and 93 were his pre-tear glory days.

93 yes, but not 92.

the tear really doenst have as much impact as you'd like to believe.

you wouldnt be saying shit about the tear if ronnie won with his tears, eventhough he lost because of OVERALL appearance and conditioning, while yates' conditioning was the best onstage.

[Hulkster]

the tear really doenst have as much impact as you'd like to believe.

no, not at all:

 

[Hulkster]

notice: his arms are shit from the front, and even worse from the back.

the tear not only affected the appearence of the left arm, his whole arm training and muscularity/size was never the same afterwards, hitting rock bottom here :

worse than Dickerson, according to most.

[suckmymuscle]

]your post makes no sense.

where do you get the idea that I think Ronnie was in as good of shape in 99 as in 98 ONLY because I want him to have the added size too?

here is a hint:

what I WANT means NOTHING.

What ACTUALLY WAS DISPLAYED ON STAGE IS WHAT COUNTS and that I have no control over..

McGough has publicly documented that he feels that 99 was better than 98 (by omitting 98 from his article and focusing in on 99) but he also thinks that 2001 AC was even better.

  Because obviously, you have mentioned several times that ronnie at the 1999 Olympia had the size and conditioning of Dorian, but with better shape. If you admit that Ronnie's conditioning was not as good in 1999 as it was in 1998, then you can't claim that Ronnie matched Dorian for size with the same conditioning, which means that he will either look soft(1999) or too small(1998) to defeat Dorian.

  Your whole argument revolves around the premisse that Ronnie is the superior bodybuilder because he was the first bodybuilder with great aesthetics and taper to match Dorian for size. This is not true for starters - Haney was 250 lbs with a wasp wait -, and the bottom line is that Ronnie never managed to come in Dorian's size with his conditioning. Ronnie in his 1999 version would be defeated by Dorian due to inferior conditioning and abdominal distension, and Ronnie in his 1998 version would be defeated because he would be overwhelmed for size. In other words, he would be defeated for the same reason Flex was always defeated by Dorian, although Ronnie 1998 was slightly larger than Flex.

so, McGough thinks that:

2001 AC> 99 O. >> 98 O.

So, why do you keep insisting that 98 was Ronnie's best?

  Because Ronnie looked a lot more like he did at the 2001 ASC at the 1998 Olympia, which means that McGough is not being consistent in his own criteria. And also, Uncle Joe consider Ronnie`s 1998 version his best, and Weider is the patron saint of bodybuilding, and his opinion carries even more weight than McGough's.

clearly, it is NOT - and few people seem to think it is anymore.
I can't help it if 99 was an effective blend of the sort of detail displayed at the AC combined with added size that was absent at the AC.

  No, Ronnie's lines were more delineated at the 2001 ASC, which indicates less subcutaneous water. Sorry, but facts are facts.

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[Iceman1981]

  And also, Uncle Joe consider Ronnie`s 1998 version his best, and Weider is the patron saint of bodybuilding, and his opinion carries even more weight than McGough's.

Sorry, but facts are facts.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

It doesn't matter what year Ronnie looked his best. What matters is, as you said "Weider is the patron saint of bodybuilding". Uncle Joe's opinion as you said "carries even more weight than McGough's." Oh look, we have a quote from Uncle Joe himself agreeing with others that Ronnie has the "greatest physique of all times." and Uncle Ben stating Ronnie "will go down in history as the greatest Mr. Olympia of All-Time".

Joe Weider:

  "Many experts, including reigning Mr. Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all times. I find it hard to argue with that."

ALSO

Ben Weider:

“Ronnie Coleman will go down in history as the greatest Mr. Olympia of All-Time.”


I don't see Uncle Joe or Uncle Ben saying anything close to that about yates.

Sorry, but facts are facts.   

[England_1]

It's not a fact, just an opinion. And the real fact of the matter is that there is now reverse racism against Yates because he was white.

[Hulkster]

It doesn't matter what year Ronnie looked his best. What matters is, as you said "Weider is the patron saint of bodybuilding". Uncle Joe's opinion as you said "carries even more weight than McGough's." Oh look, we have a quote from Uncle Joe himself agreeing with others that Ronnie has the "greatest physique of all times." and Uncle Ben stating Ronnie "will go down in history as the greatest Mr. Olympia of All-Time".

Joe Weider:

  "Many experts, including reigning Mr. Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all times. I find it hard to argue with that."

ALSO

Ben Weider:

“Ronnie Coleman will go down in history as the greatest Mr. Olympia of All-Time.”


I don't see Uncle Joe or Uncle Ben saying anything close to that about yates.

Sorry, but facts are facts.   

the patron saint of bodybuilding totally owns Sucky and calls out the truth: ronnie at his best is the greatest ever.

hahahahahaha

[Hulkster]

Your whole argument revolves around the premisse that Ronnie is the superior bodybuilder because he was the first bodybuilder with great aesthetics and taper to match Dorian for size. This is not true for starters - Haney was 250 lbs with a wasp wait

YES, AND HANEY BEAT DORIAN..

[suckmymuscle]

It doesn't matter what year Ronnie looked his best. What matters is, as you said "Weider is the patron saint of bodybuilding". Uncle Joe's opinion as you said "carries even more weight than McGough's." Oh look, we have a quote from Uncle Joe himself agreeing with others that Ronnie has the "greatest physique of all times." and Uncle Ben stating Ronnie "will go down in history as the greatest Mr. Olympia of All-Time".

  I think Ronnie had a fantastic physique at the 1998 Olympia, and I have stated from day 1 that I believe that Ronnie in the way he looked at the 1998 Olympia could defeat Dorian, and that I wouldn't be upset if he did. A picture of Ronnie's back from the 1998 Olympia is one of my three favorite bodybuilding pics ever. I still think Dorian in the way he looked at the 1995 Olympia would win, but I can definitely see Ronnie 1998 defeating him and I wouldn't be upset if he did. Regardless, my point stands: neither Ronnie's 1999 or 2003 Olympia performances are his best, and I am glad that you regard Weider's opinion so highly, because it means that you agree with him.

"Many experts, including reigning Mr. Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all times. I find it hard to argue with that."

  You omitted on purpose the last part of the quote, where Weider states:

  "After looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Olympia, I find that statement hjard to argue with."

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

the patron saint of bodybuilding totally owns Sucky and calls out the truth: ronnie at his best is the greatest ever.

hahahahahaha

  The Patron Saint of bodybuilding totally owns Hulkster and believes that Ronnie looked much better at the 1998 Olympia than at the 1999 Olympia.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

YES, AND HANEY BEAT DORIAN..

  Haney beat Dorian by a hair, and Dorian was still far away from his prime. Yates was only 239 lb at the 1991 Olympia and he won the muscularity round. Now imagine a 260 lbs Dorian even more ripped.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Hulkster]

  Haney beat Dorian by a hair, and Dorian was still far away from his prime. Yates was only 239 lb at the 1991 Olympia and he won the muscularity round. Now imagine a 260 lbs Dorian even more ripped.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

you mean like this?

 

[Iceman1981]

 
  You omitted on purpose the last part of the quote, where Weider states:

  "After looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Olympia, I find that statement hjard to argue with."

SUCKMYMUSCLE

That part doesn't matter to me anyway if it is included or not. He states the obvious about Ronnie and nothing even close to that about yates. 

[Hulkster]

what Sucky fails to realize (much like that idiot ND did) was that not only do all the visual evidence show that Ronnie was equally as hard/detailed in 99 as he was in 98, we have contest reviewers from magazines like Musclemag who where THERE verifying this.

Ronnie's quads in particular in 98 were noticably not as well cut as compared to 99:

its easy to see this. even with Uncle Joe's 90 year old eyes lol

[RocketSwitch625]

what Sucky fails to realize (much like that idiot ND did) was that not only do all the visual evidence show that Ronnie was equally as hard/detailed in 99 as he was in 98, we have contest reviewers from magazines like Musclemag who where THERE verifying this.

Ronnie's quads in particular in 98 were noticably not as well cut as compared to 99:

its easy to see this. even with Uncle Joe's 90 year old eyes lol

I can post pictures of 99 Coleman looking a lot less impressive than he does there. He looked as smooth as a baby's ass when standing next to Flex Wheeler at the end of the contest. You need to get used to the fact that Coleman wasn't as good in 99. The thing I hate most about you is you always base your opinion on fucking photos. Just get over it.

LOL

[RocketSwitch625]

No version of Coleman would come close to beating this:

[suckmymuscle]

you mean like this?

  Yes, like that. The picture you posted is from the 1995 Olympia and Dorian won the contest with straight-firsts scores from all 12 judges in both rounds, something that never happened in Olympia hiostory before. Coleman's win in 1999 was not an unanimous decisioon on the part of the judges, and several had Ronnie and Flex much closer in the tally.

SUICKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

That part doesn't matter to me anyway if it is included or not. He states the obvious about Ronnie and nothing even close to that about yates. 

  He gives his opinion, and while his opinion is very erudite, it is just that. I think it's funny that you praise Weider's opinion so much, and yet you don't consider 1998 his best. Hypocrite.

  And while Weider is the founder of the I.F.B.B, he is not an I.F.B.B judge. Dorian and Bev Francis are both I.F.B.B judges, and the former said Dorian had the best physique ever, and the latter said the judges will probably go with Dorian in the case of Dorian vs Ronnie. So you lose regardless.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

what Sucky fails to realize (much like that idiot ND did) was that not only do all the visual evidence show that Ronnie was equally as hard/detailed in 99 as he was in 98, we have contest reviewers from magazines like Musclemag who where THERE verifying this.

Ronnie's quads in particular in 98 were noticably not as well cut as compared to 99:

its easy to see this. even with Uncle Joe's 90 year old eyes lol

  No, what you fail to realize is that the visual evidence shows that Ronnie was harder in 1998 than 1999, and you can't change that fact with photoshopped pics.

  I have seen all the pics of Ronnie 1998 vs 1999, and he does look harder in 1998. Furthermore, actually being at the contest counts more as visual evidence because pics are deceiving due to contrast and resolution issues, and eye witnesses said Ronnie was harder in 1998 than 1999.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Hulkster]

and eye witnesses said Ronnie was harder in 1998 than 1999

hello?

eyewitness like expert contest reviewer Johnny Fitness from Musclemag have said that he was HARDER IN 99.

so WTF are you talking about?

 

we have the visuals AND the eyewitness testimony.

what do you have?

a quote from Joe Weider? LOL

 

here is another lesson for you:

and its not one of Bizzy's shots so you have to use another one of your excuses from your list:

98 vs 99