Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[Hulkster]

I don't think iv'e ever witnessed denial of this scale ever.

ND, face it, we've got you this time.

Accept that the change is far beyond his conditioning.

ND really has no clue.

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND's entire position relies on the fact that Coleman beaten by Yates is comparable to Coleman in later years...what's it gonna be?

Wrong my entire position rellies on Dorian simply having the edge in muscular bulk , balance , density , and superior conditioning in most of the mandatory poses . nice try but obviously you haven't been paying attention to busy posting pics from 1997 .

[NarcissisticDeity]

what the f**k do you think he was doing in 1997....toe curls?

you have no business in this thread as you simple lack the intelligence needed to mentally keep up.

Ronnie has been training the same way for over 20 years. You think he just magically changed it and won the mr. O? idiot

owned again pumpster lol

I agree he has no business in this thread.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I don't think iv'e ever witnessed denial of this scale ever.

ND, face it, we've got you this time.

Accept that the change is far beyond his conditioning.

You've been trying for 300 pages to get me and have followed down the same path of failure.

use logic & common sense he doesn't getting bigger by being smaller.

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND really has no clue.

This is comming from someone who claimed Flex Wheeler should have won the 1993 Mr Olympia lol you're getting weaker by the post kid. 

[Hulkster]

use logic & common sense he doesn't getting bigger by being smaller.

common sense and logic after visual inspection says the figure of a miniscule 2 pounds is inaccurate..

Ronnie's weight could change by 2 pounds if he farted for fuck's sake.

2 pounds is not much to account for the substantial visual size difference.


he was huge in 99 certainly more than 2 pounds heavier than this:


note how the arms and pecs are smaller...when you take into account the quads, he was certainly more than 2 pounds heavier in 1999.

[NarcissisticDeity]

common sense and logic after visual inspection says the figure of a miniscule 2 pounds is inaccurate..

Ronnie's weight could change by 2 pounds if he farted for f**k's sake.

2 pounds is not much to account for the substantial visual size difference.


he was huge in 99 certainly more than 2 pounds heavier than this:


note how the arms and pecs are smaller...when you take into account the quads, he was certainly more than 2 pounds heavier in 1999.

Did you pay attention? 1996/97 to 98 only difference is conditioning 99 he was dryer than 96/97 and a little bigger . its NOT and I repeat NOT like Dorian from 92-93 we're not talking a 15lb weight gain.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Hulkster you go on and on what a huge difference there is between Ronnie 96/97 and 98/99 . now while there is a noticable size difference between Ronnie 98/99 but its nonexistant between 96/97 and 1998 I'm sorry sport and even the size advantage he does have in 99 its NOT like this Yates from 92 to 1993 a 15 pound size gain with the exact same conditioning.

[pobrecito]

Yates 93 - best conditioning of all time

[IceCold]

100% pure, garbagey speculation. Do you know what his training was like, nutrition, anything else? Not a chance, nor do you know how it might have changed over the years.

Besides which you should be honest this time, and acknowledge that Yates was doing same.

yates never did plasma expanders.

[NarcissisticDeity]

yates never did plasma expanders.

Dorian never need a ' guru ' to help him get dry .

[pumpster]

Accurate description of construction worker Yates from another thread. Really nails it so to speak:


Yates is someone with a high degree of Celtic ancestry... (Scottish, Irish, or to a lesser degree Welsh) The shape and structure of the calf is indicative that there aren't many Normans/Angles/Saxons in the Yates family tree.

It's a cold adaption seen in Northern dwelling people...

the pattern is usually:

-thick forearms with long muscle bellies inserting at the wrist, not before it... accompanied by broad palms, short stubby fingers and thick knuckles

-elongated lats which cover more of the kidney

-boxy pelvic structure

-bell-shaped ribcage

-proportionately narrow shoulders

-long hamstring muscle bellies and thick knees

-a severely shortened Achilles tendon sometimes accompanied by flat feet

-short, stubby toes

-broad feet that are proprtionately short for the persons height

-an elongated soleus muscle belly that wraps around the (girthy) ankle and extends a full two thirds down the leg

-a thick wraparound gastrocnemius muscle that extends at least halfway down the lower leg

-poor mechanical leverage of the foot (for running), excellent mechanical leverage for calf raises, heel raises or pushing/dragging heavy loads.

This means Dorian's calves will probably never atrophy that much, even if he ceases training them, till age-related muscle wasteage sets in in Dorian's 60's or 70's.

...I'd put good money on Dorian having had red/gingery-brown hair as a child (till 10 or so), or perhaps growing red facial hair as an adult (red ear and nostril hair will come with age), that is associated with the cold-adaptive genes.

Dorian Yates.... the Flex articles say heavy training... the calves say Neanderthal genes.

[NeoSeminole]

ND is out of his f*cking mind if he thinks Dorian would beat this:













The only version of Dorian that may stand a chance would be his 1995 form. However, he would lose his advantage in conditioning. Ronnie in 03 had separations and striations everywhere. Dorian also had a torn biceps in addition to his already mediocre arms. This would greatly affect his symmetry. Asymmetrical, unbalanced arms are WORSE than unbalanced calves. Ronnie simply destroys Dorian in muscularity. The result is Ronnie would easily win.

[Oliver Klaushof]

When Dorian ascended to the top of the bodybuilding world, he redefined what it meant to be a mass monster. People look at pictures of Dorian's contemporaries (Levrone, Ray, Wheeler) and wonder why they couldn't beat this titan called "The Shadow" despite their seemingly superior balance and aesthetics. The reason becomes clear when all these men are standing on the same stage:

Dorian dwarfs them!

Yes it's true. Dorian had his own center of gravity. All other competitors were relegated to the status of mere satellites in his orbit. You had to see it in person. "IT" being this beautiful new creature called Dorian Yates. You had to force yourself to look away from this beast.

"The Yates" had it's flaws for sure................... 

but he was too damn massive and defined (grainy if you prefer   to let minor flaws (slight distention, relatively wide waist, small biceps in proportion to his body) stop him from dominating. Nothing like it existed before, and nothing would come close to it again until a new monster called "Big Bubba" began creating his own legend years later.

The problem with Coleman is, he has all Dorian's flaws, but they are even worse on him. Coleman has set the new standard for grotesque deformities. Dorian had distension, Coleman's stomach is far worse! Coleman's stomach is so bad, it absolutely ruins his front double biceps pose. His chest looks flat because of the extreme distention. It just ruins the pose!

The only Mr.Olympia with a REVERSE TAPER!

All this hype about Coleman's size, but to me it looks like "water-logged mass." His conditioning can't touch Dorian's. His abs look weird. Ronnie Coleman just. He looks.... FAT! Much of his weight is in his quads. Just as Dorian set the new standard for mass + conditioning, Coleman can be said to have set the new standard for huge quads. Had Dorian not been set back with a streak of bad luck, he would have increased his quad size to keep up with the trends. He would have continued to put on size, he would have continued to rule as a fucking TITAN amongst mere bodybuilders. Clearly he showed no signs of slowing down. Take both men at the same age and tell me who was bigger? Ronnie peaking at 40, Dorian matching his size with better conditioning in his 30s..........

Dorian is the better man.

[Hulkster]

this is not water logged mass.

[240 is Back]

I just wanna interrupt for a sec, guys-

which guys was the better bodybuilder? thanks!

[IceCold]

Accurate description of construction worker Yates from another thread. Really nails it so to speak:


Yates is someone with a high degree of Celtic ancestry... (Scottish, Irish, or to a lesser degree Welsh) The shape and structure of the calf is indicative that there aren't many Normans/Angles/Saxons in the Yates family tree.

It's a cold adaption seen in Northern dwelling people...

the pattern is usually:

-thick forearms with long muscle bellies inserting at the wrist, not before it... accompanied by broad palms, short stubby fingers and thick knuckles

-elongated lats which cover more of the kidney

-boxy pelvic structure

-bell-shaped ribcage

-proportionately narrow shoulders

-long hamstring muscle bellies and thick knees

-a severely shortened Achilles tendon sometimes accompanied by flat feet

-short, stubby toes

-broad feet that are proprtionately short for the persons height

-an elongated soleus muscle belly that wraps around the (girthy) ankle and extends a full two thirds down the leg

-a thick wraparound gastrocnemius muscle that extends at least halfway down the lower leg

-poor mechanical leverage of the foot (for running), excellent mechanical leverage for calf raises, heel raises or pushing/dragging heavy loads.

This means Dorian's calves will probably never atrophy that much, even if he ceases training them, till age-related muscle wasteage sets in in Dorian's 60's or 70's.

...I'd put good money on Dorian having had red/gingery-brown hair as a child (till 10 or so), or perhaps growing red facial hair as an adult (red ear and nostril hair will come with age), that is associated with the cold-adaptive genes.

Dorian Yates.... the Flex articles say heavy training... the calves say Neanderthal genes.

please, tell me you are kidding.

this has to be the DUMBEST post in the history of getbig.


Oliver, well said.


also, with yates arms - specifically his biceps.  they werent that good before he torn his left one, so oh well.  not like he fucked up one of his best bodyparts. 

[sculpture]

please, tell me you are kidding.

this has to be the DUMBEST post in the history of getbig.


Oliver, well said.

also, with yates arms - specifically his biceps.  they werent that good before he torn his left one, so oh well.  not like he fucked up one of his best bodyparts. 

Take a cursory glance at the rest of his posts.

You'll be ashamed you said that

[Oliver Klaushof]

please, tell me you are kidding.

this has to be the DUMBEST post in the history of getbig.


Oliver, well said.


also, with yates arms - specifically his biceps.  they weren't that good before he torn his left one, so oh well.  not like he fucked up one of his best bodyparts. 

Bingo!

His biceps were always poor. They were relatively weak before he tore one. Never stopped him from DOMINATING!

Camp Coleman is OWNED!

Pack up your bags and set up camp elsewhere.

[sculpture]

common sense and logic after visual inspection says the figure of a miniscule 2 pounds is inaccurate..

Ronnie's weight could change by 2 pounds if he farted for f**k's sake.

2 pounds is not much to account for the substantial visual size difference.


he was huge in 99 certainly more than 2 pounds heavier than this:


note how the arms and pecs are smaller...when you take into account the quads, he was certainly more than 2 pounds heavier in 1999.

This visual eveidence is extremely compelling.

The bottom line is that the pics/videos etc do not lie.

Coleman of 96/97 is a "child" compared to 98 beyond.

This lays to rest the utterly pathetic rationalisation that dorian would trounce ronnie 98 /99 because he beat him in 96/97 despite himself being far from his "best".

I couldnt care less if there was a 1lb difference or 10lb difference in those years.

Whatever the extent of the weight gain was (ND, try for one minute to look beyond the oft quoted numbers), the fact is, is that it worked.

Ronnie is harder, fuller, better proportioned and bigger (visual evidence is there too see, don't quote your useless numbers).

Ronnie has taken this game to new level. He's presented a multitude of different packages, some with less success than others; Dorian could never of done this.

If still after 300+ pages, the few people cannot accept ronnies physically superiority then you should get out of this game, because for the overwhelming majority of us, its all too clear and need'nt be discussed (especially to these lengths)

[NarcissisticDeity]

This visual eveidence is extremely compelling.

The bottom line is that the pics/videos etc do not lie.

Coleman of 96/97 is a "child" compared to 98 beyond.

This lays to rest the utterly pathetic rationalisation that dorian would trounce ronnie 98 /99 because he beat him in 96/97 despite himself being far from his "best".

I couldnt care less if there was a 1lb difference or 10lb difference in those years.

Whatever the extent of the weight gain was (ND, try for one minute to look beyond the oft quoted numbers), the fact is, is that it worked.

Ronnie is harder, fuller, better proportioned and bigger (visual evidence is there too see, don't quote your useless numbers).

Ronnie has taken this game to new level. He's presented a multitude of different packages, some with less success than others; Dorian could never of done this.

If still after 300+ pages, the few people cannot accept ronnies physically superiority   
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then you should get out of this game, because for the overwhelming majority of us, its all too clear and need'nt be discussed (especially to these lengths)

Stop being melodramatic ' he's a child compared to 98 '    from 98 to 99 he improved but not to the extreme Dorian did from 92 to 93 thats visual evidence of a drastic change. and the rationalisation is from 1996/97 to 1998 there is NO other major physical advantage other than conditioning from 1998 to 1999 there is an eight pound size advantage which is more noticable vs 96/97-98 however when you factor in Ronnie's inability in 98 to convincingly beat Flex , a man Dorian dominated every time they met its very easy to grasp that 1998 Ronnie isn't beating Dorian 1993.

Ronnie has taken this game to new level. He's presented a multitude of different packages, some with less success than others; Dorian could never of done this.

You sound like you're rehashing some MD article . Ronnie did NOT take the game to a ' new level ' in 1998 or 1999. Dorian was 257lbs ripped a LONG time before Ronnie or anyone else . Ronnie like the resr were scrambling to play catch-up for years. Ronnie presented a multitude of different packages all worse than the previous ones , he started off great in 98/99 and past the 01 ASC he went downhill fast. onviouslt he did bring the game to a new level in 03 with his combo of size/conditioning and gut .

And Ronnie 1998/99 is NOT physically superior to Dorian 1993 in reguards to muscular bulk/balance development/musuclar density and conditioning , 2003 he had the edge in muscular bulk and maybe muscular density ( maybe ) but he was still behind Yates in terms of balanced development and conditioning. and the overwhelming majority of you believe Ronnie is so much better so somehow this means you're right? lol great logic ( Hulkster ) who is the overwhelming majority? Hulkster , you , pumpster , Fenix and Neoseminole ? man talk about crunching numbers lol

[pumpster]

The problem with Coleman is, he has all Dorian's flaws, but they are even worse on him. Coleman has set the new standard for grotesque deformities.

So he has Yates small biceps and wide waist? Has has neither, you fool. A pathetic attempt to try to make him seem as flawed as Yates.

The only Mr.Olympia with a REVERSE TAPER!

Actually Coleman never had Yates H-taper..

[pumpster]

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Quote from: pumpster on August 03, 2006, 10:38:46 PM
Accurate description of construction worker Yates from another thread. Really nails it so to speak:


Yates is someone with a high degree of Celtic ancestry... (Scottish, Irish, or to a lesser degree Welsh) The shape and structure of the calf is indicative that there aren't many Normans/Angles/Saxons in the Yates family tree.

It's a cold adaption seen in Northern dwelling people...

the pattern is usually:

-thick forearms with long muscle bellies inserting at the wrist, not before it... accompanied by broad palms, short stubby fingers and thick knuckles

-elongated lats which cover more of the kidney

-boxy pelvic structure

-bell-shaped ribcage

-proportionately narrow shoulders

-long hamstring muscle bellies and thick knees

-a severely shortened Achilles tendon sometimes accompanied by flat feet

-short, stubby toes

-broad feet that are proprtionately short for the persons height

-an elongated soleus muscle belly that wraps around the (girthy) ankle and extends a full two thirds down the leg

-a thick wraparound gastrocnemius muscle that extends at least halfway down the lower leg

-poor mechanical leverage of the foot (for running), excellent mechanical leverage for calf raises, heel raises or pushing/dragging heavy loads.

This means Dorian's calves will probably never atrophy that much, even if he ceases training them, till age-related muscle wasteage sets in in Dorian's 60's or 70's.

...I'd put good money on Dorian having had red/gingery-brown hair as a child (till 10 or so), or perhaps growing red facial hair as an adult (red ear and nostril hair will come with age), that is associated with the cold-adaptive genes.

Dorian Yates.... the Flex articles say heavy training... the calves say Neanderthal genes.




please, tell me you are kidding.

this has to be the DUMBEST post in the history of getbig.


Oliver, well said.

Well you idiot, Olly agreed with this putrid assessment of the construction worker.. ;D

[pumpster]

Yates 93 - best conditioning of all time

Pathetic groupie who has now posted (raved?) about Yates conditioning that we already know about numerous times while conveniently forgetting to mention huge flaws. What a poor, one-side analysis. Conditioning is but one of many factors, except to a neophyte.

[pobrecito]

Pathetic groupie who has now posted (raved?) about Yates conditioning that we already know about numerous times while conveniently forgetting to mention huge flaws. What a poor, one-side analysis. Conditioning is but one of many factors, except to a neophyte.

you've already been put in check several times in this thread based on your pure stupidity .....at least that hasn't happened to Hulkster.....bottom line, you are about as smart as a brick