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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8675 on: August 29, 2006, 06:11:44 PM »

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8676 on: August 29, 2006, 06:13:15 PM »
The lighting at the 2000 Mr. olympia was horrible

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8677 on: August 29, 2006, 06:26:46 PM »
The lighting at the 2000 Mr. olympia was horrible

agreed.

when I think of great lighting, I immediately think of:

1999 british Grand Prix (probably the best lighting/background ever)

2001 Arnold Classic

1993 Arnold Classic

2003 Mr. Olympia

1991 Night of Champions (even made dorian look good ;D haha)
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8678 on: August 29, 2006, 06:27:50 PM »
THe lighting makes Ronnie look much worse than he really did in 2000. If you see him posing in the bathroom in BFTO 2000 he looks SICK!

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8679 on: August 29, 2006, 08:05:05 PM »
Even at 296lbs, Ronnie displays better quad separation than Dorian at 242!



i was reading dorian's book last night and even when he was younger with the mullet, he always had wierd quads.  his teardrops were always very prominent, but his quads were never really that seperated.  and when they were, they looked a bit wierd.

ronnie at 296 or even 330 in the offseason, his calves cant even match up to dorian's when he was 242.







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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8680 on: August 29, 2006, 08:09:10 PM »
The sad thing is, EVEN if we pretend that Yates could match Coleman from the back, he gets fucking destroyed from the front. He would never have a chance against Coleman. His genetics simply wouldn't allow for it.

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« Reply #8681 on: August 29, 2006, 08:20:18 PM »
The sad thing is, EVEN if we pretend that Yates could match Coleman from the back, he gets fucking destroyed from the front. He would never have a chance against Coleman. His genetics simply wouldn't allow for it.


i think yates has the edge on ronnie with the back. 

when ronnie is too heavy, like in 03, 04, and 05 - his back looks much different than when he is at a lighter weight - like in 98.  back then it was very seperated and very impressive.  now, it just looks thick and watery.

with ronnie at a lighter weight, he wont have the size to go against dorian.  nasser dwarfed ronnie at the 98 Olympia.  drawfed him - even from the back.  what would dorian do - who is bigger than nasser from the back and in better condition than coleman was in 98.

yates wins the lat spread.  his calves, xmas tree, width, and thickness edge out coleman.

coleman wins the back double bi. his bi's have a much better peak and his taper also comes into play.

close on both poses between the two.

for the most part, coleman edges out yates from the front.  out of all the mandatory poses, dorian takes the side tricep, abs and thigh, and personally, i think the front lat spread.  colemans' looks wierd.  it seems he doesnt hit the pose correctly. 

then you have the quarter turns.  dorian wins easily.  he's thicker and harder from the side with more detail - namely the seperation between muscle groups and the midsection.  coleman's weak triceps arent enough and yates has better forearms.  also, the calves are clearly visiable from the side.  dorian's projecting much further out.  no taper issue from the side and in recent years, coleman's gut (not waist or taper) is far worse than dorian ever had.  in fact, it wasnt so much dorian's gut, but his wide waist that brought criticism. 

so you got coleman winning the front and dorian winning the back and sides. 

hmmmm??


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8682 on: August 29, 2006, 08:34:11 PM »

i think yates has the edge on ronnie with the back. 

when ronnie is too heavy, like in 03, 04, and 05 - his back looks much different than when he is at a lighter weight - like in 98.  back then it was very seperated and very impressive.  now, it just looks thick and watery.

with ronnie at a lighter weight, he wont have the size to go against dorian.  nasser dwarfed ronnie at the 98 Olympia.  drawfed him - even from the back.  what would dorian do - who is bigger than nasser from the back and in better condition than coleman was in 98.

yates wins the lat spread.  his calves, xmas tree, width, and thickness edge out coleman.

coleman wins the back double bi. his bi's have a much better peak and his taper also comes into play.

close on both poses between the two.

for the most part, coleman edges out yates from the front.  out of all the mandatory poses, dorian takes the side tricep, abs and thigh, and personally, i think the front lat spread.  colemans' looks wierd.  it seems he doesnt hit the pose correctly. 

then you have the quarter turns.  dorian wins easily.  he's thicker and harder from the side with more detail - namely the seperation between muscle groups and the midsection.  coleman's weak triceps arent enough and yates has better forearms.  also, the calves are clearly visiable from the side.  dorian's projecting much further out.  no taper issue from the side and in recent years, coleman's gut (not waist or taper) is far worse than dorian ever had.  in fact, it wasnt so much dorian's gut, but his wide waist that brought criticism. 

so you got coleman winning the front and dorian winning the back and sides. 

hmmmm??




More detail. Please stop now. Yates has NEVER had more detail than Coleman. Your comparison of Ronnie and Nasser in 1998 is perfect. Coleman, despite being 40lbs lighter, made Nasser look like a sack of shit. He would do the same with Yates.

Bottom line is, Ronnie Coleman is Flex Wheeler with glutes, hams, bigger arms and more separated arms, and a much, much bigger and equally detailed back. Flex Wheeler at 257lbs would have beaten Dorian at 257lbs hands down. Hulkster is right, in 1993, everyone was obsessed with size, instead of quality. In 1999 Ronnie brought size AND SHAPE AND SEPARATION! The simple fact that Yates has calves is irrelevant in the big picture becuase calves and a better midsection can never make up for unbalanced arms (Relative to torso, and Coleman), poorly separated and shaped quads, inferior hamstring definition (to Coleman), and most importantly overall shape.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8683 on: August 29, 2006, 08:49:16 PM »
Ronnie got fucked royally in 1996. Thing is, the judges compared Yates, Shawn, and Ronnie and politics dictated that Yates would win. It's even laughable that Ronnie got 7th place!




Let me ask you a question. Take this picture and blow Shawn Ray up to Dorian's height. Who wins? ;)


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8684 on: August 29, 2006, 08:50:10 PM »
More detail. Please stop now. Yates has NEVER had more detail than Coleman. Your comparison of Ronnie and Nasser in 1998 is perfect. Coleman, despite being 40lbs lighter, made Nasser look like a sack of shit. He would do the same with Yates.

Bottom line is, Ronnie Coleman is Flex Wheeler with glutes, hams, bigger arms and more separated arms, and a much, much bigger and equally detailed back. Flex Wheeler at 257lbs would have beaten Dorian at 257lbs hands down. Hulkster is right, in 1993, everyone was obsessed with size, instead of quality. In 1999 Ronnie brought size AND SHAPE AND SEPARATION! The simple fact that Yates has calves is irrelevant in the big picture becuase calves and a better midsection can never make up for unbalanced arms (Relative to torso, and Coleman), poorly separated and shaped quads, inferior hamstring definition (to Coleman), and most importantly overall shape.

nah, flex did try to compete at around 250.  i believe it was around 2000 to try and he looked like shit.  it just is too much for his frame.  not even counting the synthol in his arms and shoulders.  

and in 98, ronnie did not make nasser look like a sack of shit.  coleman was just in better condition than nasser.

dorian has unbalanced arms, but coleman has unbalanced legs.

you and hulkster act like dorian was the biggest man onstange in 93.  there were guys bigger.  lou ferrigno, ian harrison, etc.  why not just pic the biggest guy and not dorian - if the judges were just obsessed with size. 

inferioir hamstring definition?  dorian's hams may not be as ripped as coleman's but they are bigger and fuller.  its not like dorian has NO definintion in his hams.  
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8685 on: August 29, 2006, 08:53:26 PM »


Let me ask you a question. Take this picture and blow Shawn Ray up to Dorian's height. Who wins? ;)




a bit too hypothetical.

give dorian mike matarazzo's or even coleman's biceps.

too many "what if's".
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8686 on: August 29, 2006, 08:56:22 PM »
The bottom line is the only thing Yates has on Coleman is calves. That could never make up for all the deficiencies he has compared to Coleman which I have already listed.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8687 on: August 29, 2006, 09:02:17 PM »
maybe, maybe not.

my whole point is that it would be close if coleman won, or dorian won.  dorian would be the only guy to beat coleman and vice versa. 

if jay almost beat coleman, what would dorian do?

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8688 on: August 29, 2006, 09:04:06 PM »
maybe, maybe not.

my whole point is that it would be close if coleman won, or dorian won.  dorian would be the only guy to beat coleman and vice versa. 

if jay almost beat coleman, what would dorian do?



Jay in 2001 beats Dorian from the front too. I do agree with 1993 form, it would be a tight battle with Coleman, but Coleman would win. Dorian was nothing special from the front, maybe top 6. The reason he always won was solely becuase of his back. Well, Coleman matches him from the back, and beats him on everything else.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8689 on: August 29, 2006, 09:08:35 PM »
dorian won bc he was the biggest guy in the best conditioning with the most important bodypart being much better than anyone else.  dorian winning is kinda an enigma.  he just managed to show a package that was different than conventional physiques in the past. 

dorian showed up extremely big and very hard.  he beat the smalller guys on size and the bigger guys on conditioning.  mike francois had a similar physique and qualities.  'smooth by hulkster's standards, but showed up big, heavy, and hard.  it seems the judges like that.  he also beat flex who has better shape, taper, arms, details, etc. 

jay is not eve close to dorian.  c'mon.  i cant believe you said that.  just bc he has better bi's and his quads are seperated?  please. 
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8690 on: August 29, 2006, 09:13:05 PM »


 he also beat flex who has better shape, taper, arms, details, etc. 



Give 30lbs to Flex and add in better conditioning which are both traits Ronnie had in 1999 and what left does Dorian have? Calves? That's hardly enough to make up for all the shortcomings he has against Coleman.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8691 on: August 29, 2006, 09:15:18 PM »
once again, way too many hypotheticals.

give flex more size and conditioning?  well, who wouldnt be better.

give dorian platz quads and arnolds' bi's.  where would that leave coleman?


pointless. 
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8692 on: August 29, 2006, 09:16:51 PM »
once again, way too many hypotheticals.

give flex more size and conditioning?  well, who wouldnt be better.

give dorian platz quads and arnolds' bi's.  where would that leave coleman?


pointless. 

jesus.

I am trying to say that Coleman IS Wheeler WITH 30 more pounds and better conditioning. That's what Ronnie IS. That is not hypothetical, and there is countless pictoral and video evidence to show this.


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8693 on: August 29, 2006, 09:17:13 PM »
i think yates has the edge on ronnie with the back. 

when ronnie is too heavy, like in 03, 04, and 05 - his back looks much different than when he is at a lighter weight - like in 98.  back then it was very seperated and very impressive.  now, it just looks thick and watery.

Ronnie in 03 might not have the same conditioning he presented in 98, but he wasn't far off. His sheer muscularity would prove too much for Dorian to compete with.





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for the most part, coleman edges out yates from the front.  out of all the mandatory poses, dorian takes the side tricep, abs and thigh, and personally, i think the front lat spread.  colemans' looks wierd.  it seems he doesnt hit the pose correctly.

It depends which version of Dorian we are talking about.

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then you have the quarter turns.  dorian wins easily.  he's thicker and harder from the side with more detail - namely the seperation between muscle groups and the midsection.  coleman's weak triceps arent enough and yates has better forearms.  also, the calves are clearly visiable from the side.  dorian's projecting much further out.  no taper issue from the side and in recent years, coleman's gut (not waist or taper) is far worse than dorian ever had.  in fact, it wasnt so much dorian's gut, but his wide waist that brought criticism.

I disagree. Dorian was over 20 lbs lighter, had a wider waist, a torn biceps, and less detail.






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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8694 on: August 29, 2006, 09:30:10 PM »
NeoSemen, this shot is un-fucking-believable :o


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8695 on: August 30, 2006, 07:06:59 PM »
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8696 on: August 30, 2006, 07:23:27 PM »
Yates is absolutely just being dominated there. That's exactly what Ronnie would do to Yates from the front - however, Ronnie also matches or exceeds Yates from the back. Ronnie wins.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8697 on: August 30, 2006, 07:39:12 PM »
Yates is absolutely just being dominated there. That's exactly what Ronnie would do to Yates from the front - however, Ronnie also matches or exceeds Yates from the back. Ronnie wins.

consider that Paul is 2 inches taller than Ronnie . . .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8698 on: August 30, 2006, 08:11:06 PM »
That MM of dillet may actually be the best front shot of all time

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8699 on: August 30, 2006, 08:58:13 PM »
jesus.

I am trying to say that Coleman IS Wheeler WITH 30 more pounds and better conditioning. That's what Ronnie IS. That is not hypothetical, and there is countless pictoral and video evidence to show this.



I have made this argument many times and the yates fans still don't get it.



ronnie was flex blown up and given lats...

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